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Hubble Red Shift and the Firmament
« on: October 09, 2023, 01:41:32 PM »
After Edwin Hubble observed a pronounced red shift in the galaxies, the idea of a Big Bang was started.  Have any flat earthers figured how that red shift would fit into a firmament model at all?

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Hubble Red Shift and the Firmament
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2023, 01:51:47 PM »
I haven't looked into the relationship with the firmament, but I do know that Red Shift is nonsense.  It was debunked by a top scientist who was then blackballed in the scientific community.

It's catching on more and more now.  Just do a Google search on "red shift debunked".  There are various alternative theories about what it means, but no certainty, and it's pretty clearly understood that red shift does not prove anything about an "expanding universe".


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Re: Hubble Red Shift and the Firmament
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2023, 01:58:45 PM »
This has a good explanation of some competing explanations for the phenomenon ...
https://beyondmainstream.org/other-explanations-for-red-shift/

... includes this section here
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Another famous critical thinker in astronomy, Halton Arp made it his lifetime work to study galaxies, quasars and redshift. In his book, “Seeing Red”, he came to the conclusion that objects in space had an “instrinsic” or “built-in” redshift.

Arp’s explanation was that objects such as Quasars or galaxies all had intrinsic redshift due to their chemical makeup and that the redshift changed over time. This flew in the face of mainstream astronomy which said that redshift came from the speed of objects in an expanding universe. The evidence against redshift as a kind of Doppler Effect was the fact that quasars that were coming out of the center of galaxies had different redshifts than from the galaxies and therefore became evidence that redshift was in fact something other than caused by movement.

Halton Arp’s interpretation of cosmological redshift flew in the face of big bang cosmology and caused him to be ostracized from using the large 200 inch telescope to make further observations. Giving a different explanation for redshift upset too many apple carts in Big Cosmology and instead of looking for truth like Halton Arp, Big Science chose to turn its head on observational fact.

Below is a video from 2014 of a presentation given by Halton Arp showing observational evidence for his controversial interpretation of redshift.

We just have to be careful of accepting as proven fact anything that is presented as such by the mainstream scientific "orthodoxy.

Re: Hubble Red Shift and the Firmament
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2023, 02:00:56 PM »
Never heard of a bogus red shift but I'll check it out.

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Re: Hubble Red Shift and the Firmament
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2023, 02:03:44 PM »
Never heard of a bogus red shift but I'll check it out.

They used it as evidence for the "expanding universe" and "Big Bang", but it's by no means established "fact", despite the spin given to it by mainstream science.