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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Dr. Sungenis: Flat Earth Flat Wrong
« Reply #105 on: August 15, 2022, 08:44:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tradman on August 15, 2022, 01:59:05 PM
    ^This.

    There's little doubt Sungenis is aware of what is being said here, especially if he has friends watching. Cathinfo is one of the largest, if not the largest, independent, most diverse, most read, most engaged traditional Catholic forum online, thanks to Matthew letting it all fly for the world to see. If Sungenis wants to engage, he's free to do it here. 

    You have it ass-backwards.

    Matthew 18:15-17 obligates the critic to initiate the contact privately.

    The ex-seminarian "didn't think of that" and profers a mountain of excuses that the virtual theologian who pounds thousands of words, didn't think to contact Bob or take the 10 seconds that any grade-school Catholic would need to find his email and phone number. 

    I cannot speak for his other friends, but I haven't yet notified Bob of Lad's serial calumnies.…


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    "I retract what I wrote earlier about considering Sungenis to be intellectually honest.  This section on the Church Fathers exposes his dishonesty." https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/dr-sungenis-flat-earth-flat-wrong/msg840749/#msg840749

    "There's just no end to his dishonesty in sight." https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/dr-sungenis-flat-earth-flat-wrong/msg840767/#msg840767

    "What absurd dishonesty." https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/dr-sungenis-flat-earth-flat-wrong/msg840769/#msg840769

    "Are we starting to see the intellectual dishonesty yet?" https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/dr-sungenis-flat-earth-flat-wrong/msg840820/#msg840820

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    Re: Dr. Sungenis: Flat Earth Flat Wrong
    « Reply #106 on: August 15, 2022, 08:53:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 15, 2022, 04:05:07 PM
    It's a public book, based on public knowledge, so the debate should be public.  This whole "contact him personally" stuff is too individualistic; the debate/answers need to be available to everyone.

    Damn!  The Protties are right! Catholics don't know the Bible.  Matthew 18:15-17

    Maybe we can beg Gladius_Cacas to intercede with Bob. He could command Bob to appear in the docket at CI or suffer a schoolyard fistfight. :laugh2:

    You have the testimony of at least three people here that Bob is readily accessible and responsive. I'd fall out of my office chair if Bob didn't respond to a (non-psychotic) challenge to his views. That none of you have even tried to contact him makes it all the more outrageous that you think he owes CI an appearance. What arrogance.
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    Re: Dr. Sungenis: Flat Earth Flat Wrong
    « Reply #107 on: August 15, 2022, 08:53:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on August 15, 2022, 08:25:06 PM

    The blather that accompanied your bogus re-definition of "intellectual dishonesty" already implicitly admitted he isn't really guilty of dishonesty of any kind, yet, thousands of words later, you still have not managed: "I retract my accusations of 'dishonesty' and 'intellectual dishonesty.'"

    Whether you define "intellectual dishonesty" differently, that's your business.  But I defined UP FRONT what I meant by it.  DL initially used the expression.  You objected to it.  I replied by agreeing with DL, saying that he's intellectually dishonest on this issue at least, and then I immediately defined what I meant by the term (and it's not a re-definition but it's a widely-accepted use of the phrase).  Whether you agree with my definition of the term or not, I clearly defined what I meant by it ... at the very beginning.

    There was no "re-definition" after you started your utterly puerile and childish meltdown.

    So, there's nothing to retract.  I absolutely stand by and have proven the intellectual dishonesty.

    I repeat, (and you refuse to answer), have you contacted Sungenis yet and excoriated him in these terms for accusing FEs of being intellectually dishonest ... for reading the internal forum, for saying that they distort the evidence, and even calling them liars?  Until you do, you have no business typing another word attacking me.
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    Re: Dr. Sungenis: Flat Earth Flat Wrong
    « Reply #108 on: August 15, 2022, 08:57:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 15, 2022, 04:29:51 PM
    Mark79 criticizes and attacks various public figures on a regular basis.  …

    Essentially saying: "Bless me, Father, for I have not sinned. My last confession was a year ago. I haven't done anything wrong because Mark79 is a sinner…"

    From the keyboard of an ex-seminarian. :facepalm:
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    Re: Dr. Sungenis: Flat Earth Flat Wrong
    « Reply #109 on: August 15, 2022, 08:59:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on August 15, 2022, 08:44:10 PM
    You have it ass-backwards.

    Matthew 18:15-17 obligates the critic to initiate the contact privately.

    The ex-seminarian "didn't think of that" and profers a mountain of excuses that the virtual theologian who pounds thousands of words, didn't think to contact Bob or take the 10 seconds that any grade-school Catholic would need to find his email and phone number.

    I cannot speak for his other friends, but I haven't yet notified Bob of Lad's serial calumnies.…


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    Please seek psychiatric help.  It is perfectly permissible to criticize a book put into the public domain publicly without prior admonition, despite your IDIOTIC misinterpretation of Matthew 18:15-17.  If a person does something in PUBLIC, then no private admonition is required.

    Have you contacted Jorge Bergoglio privately before criticizing him in public?  Have you contacted the various Jєωs you attack on your website privately before publishing your materials?  Before I criticize Mel Gibson for his public adultery, am I obliged to contact him privately before voicing such a criticism?  I've rarely heard anything more stupid than this.

    This is utterly absurd, and you've lost your marbles.
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    Re: Dr. Sungenis: Flat Earth Flat Wrong
    « Reply #110 on: August 15, 2022, 09:01:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on August 15, 2022, 08:53:13 PM
    Maybe we can beg Gladius_Cacas to intercede with Bob. He could command Bob to appear in the docket at CI or suffer a schoolyard fistfight. :laugh2:

    Nice to see you saying something in an FE-related thread.  Did you share your take on the issue during my absence, or are you just stirring the pot?

    Did you realize and admit you have been an ignorant-yet-innocent and ardent promoter of the Pasteurian/Rockefellerian lie/fraud of Germ Theory/Virology, too?  No?  Ah well, all in good time.

    Bob can do as he pleases.  At least he isn't groundlessly afraid that the Mossad will firebomb his house and isn't hiding behind the women in his life.

    got Cooties-19?  No, because NO ONE does, ever did or ever will.
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    Re: Dr. Sungenis: Flat Earth Flat Wrong
    « Reply #111 on: August 15, 2022, 09:04:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 15, 2022, 08:59:19 PM
    Please seek psychiatric help.

    Indeed.  I hear it is strenuously promoted by the Rockefeller Medical Establishment and is supported by countless peer-reviewed studies, so it must be truly excellent.
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    Re: Dr. Sungenis: Flat Earth Flat Wrong
    « Reply #112 on: August 15, 2022, 09:04:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on August 15, 2022, 08:57:06 PM
    Essentially saying: "Bless me, Father, for I have not sinned. My last confession was a year ago. I haven't done anything wrong because Mark79 is a sinner…"

    From the keyboard of an ex-seminarian. :facepalm:

    No, idiot.  I was pointing out your hypocrisy and your double-standards.  I committed no sin in criticizing Sungenis the way I did.  NOR, by the way, do I attribute any sin to him for doing the same thing with FEs, calling them intellectually dishonest, distorters of evidence, and liars.  NOR, by the way, do I accuse YOU of sin in the way you've attacked me.  I accuse you of being childish, puerile, and idiotic ... but I do not judge your internal forum, nor have I judged that of Dr. Sungenis, despite your calumnies to that effect.

    And, you know what, I'll bet you that he would agree ... as he did it himself in his book.

    I'll ask again.  Have you contacted your buddie "Bob" and rebuked him for his calumnies, lies, lack of charity, character assassinations, and pride ... since he did exactly what I did and much more.
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    Re: Dr. Sungenis: Flat Earth Flat Wrong
    « Reply #113 on: August 15, 2022, 09:07:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 15, 2022, 04:47:03 PM

    …But then people try to impugn my motives (reading the "internal forum") regarding why I didn't write him directly.

    Quote verbatim where anyone impugned your motives.

    Objectively:
    1) As brother Catholics you had a Matthew 18:15-17 duty to contact Bob privately before repeatedly accusing him of dishonesty.
    2) You are an ex-seminarian.
    3) You admit you didn't contact Bob à la Mt 18:15-17 while tendering a variety of excuses.
    4) You still haven't contacted Bob.
    5) You still have not retracted your accusations of "dishonesty."

    These are exterior forum facts.

    No judgment of your interior forum is involved.


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    "I retract what I wrote earlier about considering Sungenis to be intellectually honest.  This section on the Church Fathers exposes his dishonesty." https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/dr-sungenis-flat-earth-flat-wrong/msg840749/#msg840749

    "There's just no end to his dishonesty in sight." https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/dr-sungenis-flat-earth-flat-wrong/msg840767/#msg840767

    "What absurd dishonesty." https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/dr-sungenis-flat-earth-flat-wrong/msg840769/#msg840769

    "Are we starting to see the intellectual dishonesty yet?" https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/dr-sungenis-flat-earth-flat-wrong/msg840820/#msg840820

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    Re: Dr. Sungenis: Flat Earth Flat Wrong
    « Reply #114 on: August 15, 2022, 09:11:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 15, 2022, 08:59:19 PM
    Have you contacted the various Jєωs you attack on your website privately before publishing your materials?

    They might track him down and harass him like Hoffman, who, facing such difficulties, remains man enough to publish openly.  Despite pursuing such a dangerous path, he still lives and works and moves about like a free, real man.
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    Re: Dr. Sungenis: Flat Earth Flat Wrong
    « Reply #115 on: August 15, 2022, 09:16:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 15, 2022, 08:59:19 PM
    Please seek psychiatric help.  It is perfectly permissible to criticize a book put into the public domain publicly without prior admonition, despite your IDIOTIC misinterpretation of Matthew 18:15-17.  If a person does something in PUBLIC, then no private admonition is required.

    Have you contacted Jorge Bergoglio privately before criticizing him in public?  Have you contacted the various Jєωs you attack on your website privately before publishing your materials?  Before I criticize Mel Gibson for his public adultery, am I obliged to contact him privately before voicing such a criticism?  I've rarely heard anything more stupid than this.

    This is utterly absurd, and you've lost your marbles.
    Please seek spiritual help.

    It is perfectly permissible to criticize a book put into the public domain publicly without prior admonition.

    It is in no way permissible to make false accusations of "dishonesty" and "intellectual dishonesty." 

    There is no refuge in your "public figure" pleading because you are not free to make false accusation of dishonesty even of public figures.

    My "marbles" have nothing to do with your calumny (or your asinine assertion last week that it is sinful to have opposite sex contact in martial arts training, but acceptable to have same-sex or opposite-sex contact with an instructor ) :facepalm:

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    Re: Dr. Sungenis: Flat Earth Flat Wrong
    « Reply #116 on: August 15, 2022, 09:19:07 PM »
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    Re: Dr. Sungenis: Flat Earth Flat Wrong
    « Reply #117 on: August 15, 2022, 09:22:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 15, 2022, 08:53:44 PM

    Whether you define "intellectual dishonesty" differently, that's your business.  …

    Pathetic.

    Please explain how your pathetic neologism excuses these instances in which you simply accused Bob of being "dishonest."


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    "What absurd dishonesty." https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/dr-sungenis-flat-earth-flat-wrong/msg840769/#msg840769


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    Re: Dr. Sungenis: Flat Earth Flat Wrong
    « Reply #118 on: August 15, 2022, 09:25:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on August 13, 2022, 04:41:19 PM
    Those quotes are certainly interesting. And between this and his Rob Skiba debate shows that he's either wilfully ignorant or intellectually dishonest.

    I have only just begun to review this thread from the beginning, but has M79 been castigating you for the above assessment, too, or has he only been harassing Lad? 

    Has he plainly stated his own take on the matter yet?
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    Re: Dr. Sungenis: Flat Earth Flat Wrong
    « Reply #119 on: August 15, 2022, 09:28:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 15, 2022, 09:04:16 PM
    No, idiot.  I was pointing out your hypocrisy and your double-standards.  I committed no sin in criticizing Sungenis the way I did.  NOR, by the way, do I attribute any sin to him for doing the same thing with FEs, calling them intellectually dishonest, distorters of evidence, and liars.  NOR, by the way, do I accuse YOU of sin in the way you've attacked me.  I accuse you of being childish, puerile, and idiotic ... but I do not judge your internal forum, nor have I judged that of Dr. Sungenis, despite your calumnies to that effect.

    And, you know what, I'll bet you that he would agree ... as he did it himself in his book.

    I'll ask again.  Have you contacted your buddie "Bob" and rebuked him for his calumnies, lies, lack of charity, character assassinations, and pride ... since he did exactly what I did and much more.

    So instead: "Bless me, Father, for I have not sinned. My last confession was a year ago. I haven't done anything wrong because Mark79 is an idiot and a hypocrite with double-standards…"

    Still waiting for a verbatim quote of anyone judging your internal forum.

    Hilarious to come off the keyboard of an ex-seminarian who thinks that I have lost my marbles.

    Pathetic.

    I have not contacted Bob. I would not inflict you on him.

    EXTERIOR FORUM:

    "There's just no end to his dishonesty in sight." https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/dr-sungenis-flat-earth-flat-wrong/msg840767/#msg840767

    "What absurd dishonesty." https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/dr-sungenis-flat-earth-flat-wrong/msg840769/#msg840769

    You hoist yourself on your own petard.
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