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What model do you believe most accurately describes the cosmos?

Modern Science:  earth revolves around barycenter of solar system as solar system moves through space, etc.
25 (25%)
Geocentrism:  earth is stationary, shaped like a globe, and the vast universe revolves around it
35 (35%)
Flat Earth:  earth is stationary, the surface we live on is flat, covered by a physical firmament, and the universe is closer than we're told
31 (31%)
Other
9 (9%)

Total Members Voted: 92

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #360 on: November 22, 2022, 07:43:26 PM »
My problem with the electromagnetism theory is that it should be easily proven right or wrong with electromagnets, or even permanent magnets. Some things are more or less affected by electromagnetism, but in an isolated and out of proportion way compared to the general constant force pulling things down. Magnets can defy gravity to an extreme degree, yet they cannot attract or repel most objects.

That's viewed from a more macro scale.  My problem with gravity is that ... it's never been proven to exist.  It's nothing more than a description or a mathematical characterization of movement, yet no one has ever proven or demonstrated a cause for it.  Forces do not act at a distance.

Offline St Giles

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #361 on: November 22, 2022, 08:57:58 PM »
Magnetism isn't at least somewhat as mysterious as gravity? Magnets work at a distance.

This is the video I wanted you to see, and those are not, or should not, be magnets in the gravity compass experiment with the dumbbells.

https://youtu.be/KnqBzncqS2U?t=763


Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #362 on: November 26, 2022, 09:31:12 AM »
My problem with the electromagnetism theory is that it should be easily proven right or wrong with electromagnets, or even permanent magnets. Some things are more or less affected by electromagnetism, but in an isolated and out of proportion way compared to the general constant force pulling things down. Magnets can defy gravity to an extreme degree, yet they cannot attract or repel most objects.

For great is the power of God alone, and he is honoured by the humble. Seek not the things that are too high for thee, and search not into things above thy ability: but the things that God hath commanded thee, think on them always, and in many of his works be not curious. For it is not necessary for thee to see with thy eyes those things that are hidden. In unnecessary matters be not over curious, and in many of his works thou shalt not be inquisitive. For many things are shewn to thee above the understanding of men. And the suspicion of them hath deceived man, and hath detained their minds in vanity.” --- Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) 23:21-26).

Gravity (from the Latin word gravitás, meaning heavy) is just a word used to describe things falling. It was Newton who extended it to mean why cosmic bodies move after he said an apple falls because the earth attracted it and made it fall. Put a coin on the ground and get a little magnet over it and you will see the coin attracted to the magnet. In other words, according to Newton then the attraction of a little magnet is greater than the attraction of the mass of the Earth.

Ladislaus posted:
My problem with gravity is that ... it's never been proven to exist.  It's nothing more than a description or a mathematical characterization of movement, yet no one has ever proven or demonstrated a cause for it.  Forces do not act at a distance.

St Giles said magmetism does, but at short distances.

In Genesis God said after He created heaven and Earth He created LIGHT. Now light is one aspect of electromagnetism.

He hangeth the Earth upon nothing not to be moved.
Upon what are its bases grounded. (Job 26; 7&38:6)

The above is an actual picture of a solid Earth held in space using magnetism.
When Domenico Cassini discovered all orbits are Cassinian ovals, he did not know that positive electromagnetism produces lines of magnetic forces.


This link can be demonstrated by spreading iron-filings over a 2 positive-pole magnetised surface. This will form directional charge patterns that constitute a whole series of Cassinian ovals. As we can see above, most ovals are present. All orbits then follow electromagnetic courses.

Back in the early seventeenth century it was discovered that the Earth is a giant loadstone with a magnetic field and that the poles of this field correspond more with the celestial axis than the equatorial north-south pole axis, and that this magnetic field travels way out into space. Now consider this: Cassini established that the orbit of the sun around the Earth is an electromagnetic related oval, and that the orbits of the planets around the sun are also electromagnetic Cassinian ovals. It follows then that if all orbits of the stars are fixed in similar orbits to the sun, as stellar aberration requires, then their orbits also move by way of the magnetic lines of Cassinian ovals.

In the 20th century a radiation called the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) was discovered throughout the universe. Is this the electromagnetic ‘light’ of creation revealed in Genesis? As to what causes the different electromagnetic effects in the universe, what generates them, we propose that they could be caused by the spinning gyroscopic movements of the universe around the stationary Earth on a daily and annual basis that God created, and Who keeps it spinning by His will alone.

‘(1) Earth is the centre of creation, and (2) there may be many heavenly bodies revolving along many pathways, thus producing many circuмferences around the Earth, and these may be referred to as “heavens.”’ --- St. Thomas (I, Q 68, a 4, ad l)

You do know physicists for 150 years have looked for a connection between moving cosmic bodies and electromagnetism. They never did find one because they ignored Cassini's findings because they support geocentrism. A friend showed me the above but we do not expect to get the Nobell prize for our geocentric theory of everything.

Re: Cosmology Poll
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