So all these great theologians and Doctors of the Church who thought the earth was a globe -- are you smarter than all of them?

If all the fathers held to a flat Earth because it says so in the Scriptures then that would be as credible as the fact that they all held that the sun and stars move around the Earth because it is revealed in Scripture.

The Council of Trent (1545-1563) ruled: ‘Furthermore, in order to curb imprudent clever persons, the synod decrees that no one who relies on his own judgment in matters of faith and morals, which pertain to the building up of Christian doctrine, and that no one who distorts the Sacred Scripture according to his own opinions, shall dare to interpret the said Sacred Scripture contrary to that sense which is held by holy Mother Church, whose duty it is to judge regarding the true sense and interpretation of the Holy Scriptures, or even contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers, even though interpretations of this kind were never intended to be brought to light. Let those who shall oppose this be reported by their ordinaries and be punished with the penalties prescribed by law.’--- (Denzinger – 783/786)

Again, nobody can distort the Scriptures contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers, or they will  be reported by their ordinaries and be punished with the penalties prescribed by law.’

In April 1543, two years before the above Council Copernicus's book was published. In it it stated:

‘The World is Spherical: In the beginning we should remark that the world is globe-shaped, whether because this figure is the most perfect of all, as it is an integral whole and needs no joints; or because this figure is the one having the greatest volume and thus is especially suitable for that which is going to comprehend and conserve all things; or even because the separate parts of the world, i.e., the sun, moon and stars are viewed under this form, as is apparent in the case of drops of water and other liquid bodies, when they become delimited of themselves. And so no one would deny that this form belongs to heavenly bodies.’--- De revolutionibus.

Never in the history of Faith and reason was there a word of condemnation of Copernicus's book stating  he took for granted the Earth is a globe.

Along came the Galileo case, another who took the Earth as global. But again, no mention of that being contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers,

(1) “That the sun is in the centre of the world and altogether immovable by local movement,” was unanimously declared to be “foolish, philosophically absurd, and formally heretical [denial of a revelation by God] inasmuch as it expressly contradicts the declarations of Holy Scripture in many passages, according to the proper meaning of the language used, and the sense in which they have been expounded and understood by the Fathers and theologians.”

(2) “That the Earth is not the centre of the world, and moves as a whole, and also with a diurnal movement,” was unanimously declared “to deserve the same censure philosophically, and, theologically considered to be at least erroneous in faith.”

Not a word about Galileo's global Earth being contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers

The Council of Trent (1545-1563) ruled: ‘Furthermore, in order to curb imprudent clever persons, the synod decrees that no one who relies on his own judgment in matters of faith and morals, which pertain to the building up of Christian doctrine, and that no one who distorts the Sacred Scripture according to his own opinions, shall dare to interpret the said Sacred Scripture contrary to that sense which is held by holy Mother Church, whose duty it is to judge regarding the true sense and interpretation of the Holy Scriptures, or even contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers, even though interpretations of this kind were never intended to be brought to light. Let those who shall oppose this be reported by their ordinaries and be punished with the penalties prescribed by law.’--- (Denzinger – 783/786)

Again, nobody can distort the Scriptures contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers, or they will  be reported by their ordinaries and be punished with the penalties prescribed by law.’

In April 1543, two years before the above Council Copernicus's book was published. In it it stated:

‘The World is Spherical: In the beginning we should remark that the world is globe-shaped, whether because this figure is the most perfect of all, as it is an integral whole and needs no joints; or because this figure is the one having the greatest volume and thus is especially suitable for that which is going to comprehend and conserve all things; or even because the separate parts of the world, i.e., the sun, moon and stars are viewed under this form, as is apparent in the case of drops of water and other liquid bodies, when they become delimited of themselves. And so no one would deny that this form belongs to heavenly bodies.’--- De revolutionibus.

Never in the history of Faith and reason was there a word of condemnation of Copernicus's book stating  he took for granted the Earth is a globe.

Along came the Galileo case , another who took the Earth as global. But again, no mention of that being contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers,

(1) “That the sun is in the centre of the world and altogether immovable by local movement,” was unanimously declared to be “foolish, philosophically absurd, and formally heretical [denial of a revelation by God] inasmuch as it expressly contradicts the declarations of Holy Scripture in many passages, according to the proper meaning of the language used, and the sense in which they have been expounded and understood by the Fathers and theologians.”

(2) “That the Earth is not the centre of the world, and moves as a whole, and also with a diurnal movement,” was unanimously declared “to deserve the same censure philosophically, and, theologically considered to be at least erroneous in faith.”

Not a word about Galileo's global Earth.

For the next hundreds of years no Pope or churchman mentioned a word about a flat Earth being anti-Biblical, a heresy, or considered to be at least erroneous in faith.”

Now if popes since Copernicus had no problem with a Biblical flat-Earth of all the Fathers since the Council of Trent, then I think I and others can go along with them..

For the next hundreds of years no Pope or churchman mentioned a word about a flat Earth being anti-Biblical, a heresy, or considered to be at least erroneous in faith.”

Now if popes since Copernicus had no problem with a Biblical flat-Earth of all the Fathers since the Council of Trent, then I think I and others can go along with them.

Genesis 8:1-2

1 And God remembered Noe, and all the living creatures, and all the cattle which were with him in the ark, and brought a wind upon the earth, and the waters were abated. 2 The fountains also of the deep, and the flood gates of heaven were shut up, and the rain from heaven was restrained.

Lots of redundancy in Sacred Scripture.  We all know that the the flood gates of heaven were in fact the same as the rain from heaven. 

‘The World is Spherical: In the beginning we should remark that the world is globe-shaped, whether because this figure is the most perfect of all, as it is an integral whole and needs no joints; or because this figure is the one having the greatest volume and thus is especially suitable for that which is going to comprehend and conserve all things; or even because the separate parts of the world, i.e., the sun, moon and stars are viewed under this form, as is apparent in the case of drops of water and other liquid bodies, when they become delimited of themselves. And so no one would deny that this form belongs to heavenly bodies.’--- De revolutionibus.

Never in the history of Faith and reason was there a word of condemnation of Copernicus's book stating  he took for granted the Earth is a globe.

Along came the Galileo case, another who took the Earth as global. But again, no mention of that being contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers,

(1) “That the sun is in the centre of the world and altogether immovable by local movement,” was unanimously declared to be “foolish, philosophically absurd, and formally heretical [denial of a revelation by God] inasmuch as it expressly contradicts the declarations of Holy Scripture in many passages, according to the proper meaning of the language used, and the sense in which they have been expounded and understood by the Fathers and theologians.”

(2) “That the Earth is not the centre of the world, and moves as a whole, and also with a diurnal movement,” was unanimously declared “to deserve the same censure philosophically, and, theologically considered to be at least erroneous in faith.”

Not a word about Galileo's global Earth being contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers

For the next hundreds of years no Pope or churchman mentioned a word about a flat Earth being anti-Biblical, a heresy, or considered to be at least erroneous in faith.”

Now if popes since Copernicus had no problem with a Biblical flat-Earth of all the Fathers since the Council of Trent, then I think I and others can go along with them..

For the next hundreds of years no Pope or churchman mentioned a word about a flat Earth being anti-Biblical, a heresy, or considered to be at least erroneous in faith.”

Now if popes since Copernicus had no problem with a Biblical flat-Earth of all the Fathers since the Council of Trent, then I think I and others can go along with them.