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Offline Neil Obstat

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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #1230 on: March 07, 2018, 11:12:33 AM »
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    The ISS photographed:

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1231 on: March 07, 2018, 11:37:06 AM »
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    Andrew Johnson fields flat-earth heckler's lame attempt at insulting him and his video:
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    Andy Kline 
    Cool, nice pic of the hologram

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    Andrew Johnson 1 week ago
    Thanks, you should see the ones I've taken of the Moon and Star holograms :-) Meanwhile I'm eagerly awaiting the discovery of the early hologram projectors that Nikolai Tesla  sent back in time to the ancient Egyptians buried in secret chambers in the pyramids!
    Need to stop to answer the door to the men with sunglasses and dark suits that work in the vans for the phone, power and water companies, they seem to want to deliver a pizza to me!


    Martin Foot 4 days ago (edited)
    Andy Kline Yes it is, apparently the Greeks studied these Holograms like the Ancient Egyptians did as Andrew Johnson has said. If you notice a lot of ancient civilisations worshipped gods from the skies. Also, their craft has been docuмented in hiroglyphics & the Sumarians also made pictorial note - as well as inexplicable cave paintings that have been found. Obviously these were not gods but Extraterrestrials travelling to Earth as they still do. Their technology was & is so advanced they were able to project these holograms across thousands of light years across the universe onto the Dome just so that primitive earthlings would observe them & worship them. They manage to get through the Dome by either matter transference or by using loopholes in the space time continuem which only they know. First they used loopholes until matter transference became more reliable & practical. They are so much more advanced than us it is unbelievable. I think Andrew was giving you false information saying Tesla sent the technology back in a time machine. Someone would have had to travel back to set it up without the Egyptians knowing anything about it - although there is a shaft in one of the pyramids that points to the North Star or Pole Star. Interestingly the Egyptian pyramids are laid out in size & scale to a constellation. Therefore the holographic projection of the Universe has had to come before the construction of the Pyramids.




    Andrew Johnson 4 days ago
    Martin I just found out those guys delivering pizza are government agents working with the aliens, they told me I'd been very naughty talking about Tesla, (an Alien in human form!)  and if I ever said anything like this again the next Pizza would have anchovies on it. I like anchovies!




    Martin Foot 3 days ago
    Andrew Johnson We recently had a Dominoes open near me - be careful mate, they're infiltrating everywhere keeping an eye on what we're up to! Something definately fishy going on, especially putting anchovies on Pizzas! You've encouraged me to have another go at photographing moon though just with my 300mm on my Canon when we actually get a clear night.




    Andrew Johnson 2 days ago
    The Moon can come out well with a 300mm I usually find it best to override auto exposure and go manual exposure, the camera gets very confused photographing the Moon and usually over exposes if left to itself.


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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1232 on: March 07, 2018, 12:12:50 PM »
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    More comments from fans!
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    Paul TheSkeptic
    If you can actually see it, how are there still people who deny the whole space exploration thing?


    Andrew Johnson 3 weeks ago
    In my experience so far, it's less a case of evidence than of mindset, most seem to have the idea that education, science and research are all forms of brainwashing.


    Paul TheSkeptic2 weeks ago
    A shame.


    Subject 8 2 weeks ago
    You can show them all the evidence you want. Most of the flattards are religous zealots, so they are obviously in the possession of the ultimate truth. That is the Origo that reality has to bend around. That literally means that you could strap them to a rocket so they can personally pay a visit to the ISS, and when they come back they would still deny it is in orbit. You have just drugged them, or used some kind of sophisticated technology to fool them! Even if that said technology would be harder to achieve than placing a space station in orbit. You see, you CANNOT have a space station in orbit, so reality has to bend. 

    It is very entertaining to observe these patterns, until you realize these people can vote.



    Andrew Johnson 2 weeks ago
    It's my experience that only a few of them are religious zealots and the few of those that quote scripture to justify their claims go totally postal when you point out how they have taken a particular passage out of context on misquoted it. The majority of the remainder are bored trolls with nothing better to do but go around making offensive remarks under the illusion of their anonymity. But there is a hard core of people exhibiting what I can only describe as an extreme form of paranoia where the use of the term 'critical thinking' has been taken to the nth degree and they question even the most fundamental precepts of reality and claim, against all the evidence against them, that only they are the keepers of truth in the world; some are amusing, most are very sad to read.


    R. McHunt 2 weeks ago (edited)
    Science deniers are just religious fundamentalists who take the Bible literally and put faith before facts. King James took seven years (1604-1611) to extensively overhauled the Bible to fit in with his own personal beliefs and the church had to go along with him, they didn't have a choice and so the Bible was changed. The KJB or KJV is the ONLY bible to mention the word "firmament" it wasn't in any other Bible .......believe it if you want to but the firmament is only the belief of an English King. Christians are therefore believing what they think is the "word of God" when really what they are really believing are the words of King James. THE CLUE IS IN THE NAME ..........."THE KING JAMES BIBLE" / VERSION.


    Andrew Johnson 2 weeks ago
    I will repeat what I said earlier, SOME science deniers and flat earthers are keen to quote scripture to justify their beliefs, but the majority come across as just paranoid nuts. It's rather curious that two people that I collaborate with the most are ministers of religion (one Anglican Vicar and a Baptist Minister). They both take the view that the Bible (pick a version) is God's second book and written in the language of men, his first book is the book of nature (creation) and this is written in the language of God (science and mathematics).



    Andrew Johnson 2 weeks ago
    The religious texts use simple language and avoid science deliberately. But the main point my minister friends also make, the one that the fundamentalists ignore at best or refute violently, is that said religious books are not the be all and end all of all knowledge and wisdom as the fundamentalists would like to force us all to believe. The greater work of God, according to my minister friends, is the universe around us, and this can only be understood with the language of science and mathematics, this really pisses the fundamentalists off, but is something I continue to use as it's source is a couple of well-respected theologians. My other argument is to ask the fundamentalists which chapter and verse of the bible tells you how to build a computer or use the internet, I usually get blocked at this point!


    CAP10 Zeus
    As a photographer myself, I really enjoyed your video, time, money and effort to do all of this. All of this made perfect sense to me since I myself am educated in photography. My jaw has dropped and I just can't believe all of the craziest comments you have received for all your hard work and your willingness to share with the rest of us. Without reading the comments at first I saw this as a photography lesson, not a "prove the earth was round theory"! It's amazing what some people will believe without seeing it or trying it for themselves OR they are just being internet TROLLS just for their amusement. Either way, I would just ignore these trolls which have really spat at hundreds of years of human advancement and rather believe in myths that date back hundreds of years. Thanks for the photography lesson! Keep them coming!



    Andrew Johnson 3 weeks ago
    Many thanks for the comments they are much appreciated. It was a bit of a surprise to me the first time I got one of these trolls commenting about being a proof of something. If I want to debunk this flat earth nonsense I can do it from my local beach with a telephoto lens and a wind farm but that's not what this video or this channel is about.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1233 on: March 07, 2018, 12:28:01 PM »
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  • Neil,

    You have gone on record as saying that you're a geocentrist. Is that still true?

    Regarding the "comments" in the above post - do any of those people believe that the earth is at the center, and the sun revolves around the earth, as you supposedly do? What would their comments be if you were to defend geocentrism to them?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1234 on: March 07, 2018, 12:43:37 PM »
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  • Neil,

    You have gone on record as saying that you're a geocentrist. Is that still true?

    Regarding the "comments" in the above post - do any of those people believe that the earth is at the center, and the sun revolves around the earth, as you supposedly do? What would their comments be if you were to defend geocentrism to them?
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    Congratulations for reading the comments. But the topic here is the fact that the earth is not flat.
    We are discussing proofs of the earth's SHAPE not whether it moves or not or whatever.
    I know, it's frustrating when you know you've lost and there is a great temptation to jump topic.
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    Why do flat-earthers have such a problem recognizing the truth of the earth's curvature?
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1235 on: March 07, 2018, 12:45:44 PM »
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    Congratulations for reading the comments. But the topic here is the fact that the earth is not flat.
    We are discussing proofs of the earth's SHAPE not whether it moves or not or whatever.
    I know, it's frustrating when you know you've lost and there is a great temptation to jump topic.
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    Why do flat-earthers have such a problem recognizing the truth of the earth's curvature?

    Nice dodge there Neil. I was expecting that. You're so predictable.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1236 on: March 07, 2018, 12:54:07 PM »
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    Congratulations for reading the comments. But the topic here is the fact that the earth is not flat.
    We are discussing proofs of the earth's SHAPE not whether it moves or not or whatever.
    I know, it's frustrating when you know you've lost and there is a great temptation to jump topic.
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    Why do flat-earthers have such a problem recognizing the truth of the earth's curvature?

    How do you reconcile geocentrism with modern science, given that modern science does not believe in geocentrism? I would like to start a thread about this, since you haven't said anything about it.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1237 on: March 07, 2018, 01:07:28 PM »
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  • How do you reconcile geocentrism with modern science, given that modern science does not believe in geocentrism? I would like to start a thread about this, since you haven't said anything about it.
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    Well then, go ahead. It's off topic here.
    This thread is over 82 pages a good part of which is flat-earthers attempting to jump topic.
    It would be great if the thread could remain according to the OP for a change, don't you think?
    I mean, if you want a discussion about something else (geocentrism) how could you expect to find it later?
    All you will have is a list of thread titles to search through.
    Or try to use the search feature which will give you threads with geometry and center and Feeneyism (not geocentrism).
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1238 on: March 08, 2018, 03:56:32 AM »
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    Excuse me, but you are the stupid idiot.
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    You are so stupid!   :laugh2:
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    You the Jєω/Protestant try to teach Catholics about the Church?  Don't make me laugh!   :jester: (Never mind you just did.)
    What makes you think I'm not Catholic?  
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1239 on: March 08, 2018, 04:06:01 AM »
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  • [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/KnqBzncqS2U[/youtube]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=KnqBzncqS2U
    I just didn't find that video to be very convincing.  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1240 on: March 08, 2018, 11:03:09 AM »
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    Insomnia?  Losing the flat-earth debate is keeping you up at night?  Sorry to hear that.
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    My condolences.  Must be tough to be a flat-earth loser.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1241 on: April 04, 2018, 03:06:02 AM »
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    Flat-earthers have nothing to fear but sphere itself.      :incense:            
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1242 on: April 05, 2018, 04:03:14 AM »
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    Insomnia?  Losing the flat-earth debate is keeping you up at night?  Sorry to hear that.
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    My condolences.  Must be tough to be a flat-earth loser.
    Why do you have to come on here an act like a jerk?  How is that helpful?  How does that contribute to anything?  Why do you want to come on here and act like that?  Do you like it when people are obnoxious to you?  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1243 on: April 05, 2018, 11:56:26 PM »
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  • Why do you have to come on here an act like a jerk?  How is that helpful?  How does that contribute to anything?  Why do you want to come on here and act like that?  Do you like it when people are obnoxious to you?  
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    How kind of you to behave in a civil manner. Now, back to the topic!
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    Flat-earthers have nothing to fear but sphere itself.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1244 on: April 06, 2018, 11:17:14 AM »
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    How kind of you to behave in a civil manner. Now, back to the topic!
    I agree with WholeFoodsTrad that it is better to be kind and civil in our discussions.  While I understand (and experience) the temptation to be unkind when disagreeing with people, I think our arguments are stronger when we resist that temptation.  We can rely on facts and reason; we don't need any sarcasm or nastiness.