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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #685 on: June 03, 2017, 02:46:56 PM »
I didn't post this week about the first quarter moon, but it happened anyway. Imagine that!
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The moon doesn't wait for Internet posts before it changes phases.
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The moon had its first quarter again, at 7:48 pm Tuesday June 2nd, as scheduled on the Old Farmer's Almanac website -- a place where the words "flat earth" have never appeared because it's not a ridiculous publication.
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Therefore, farmers all over America have been purchasing and using a publication for well over 200 years (since 1792) that has never mentioned a "flat earth." But what do farmers know, anyway? 
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But I digress. The moon rose, as predicted, and I measured the angle between it and the sun just before the quarter moon phase and just after.  It started at less than 88 degrees (waxing crescent moon), became Quarter Moon at less than 90 degrees and greater than 89 degrees, and finished at greater than 90 degrees (waxing gibbous moon).
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This is the same results I got last month. Surprise, surprise. I expect it's going to be the same every time I check it, until the cows come home (or the sheep and goats if you're lactose intolerant).
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This figure of 89-plus degrees is very interesting. It is always less than 90 degrees, which is comforting, because it actually makes sense this way. 
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Triangles have the consistent property of having three interior angles that add up to 180 degrees. I know, I know, that's witchcraft HAHAHAHAHA.  NOT.
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When the moon is at just one quarter (a state that lasts for a minute or two but who's counting that closely?), the angle as observed from the moon between the earth and sun is just 90 degrees, which is why we can see the moon appearing as a Quarter Moon. That means the earth, moon and sun (for a minute or two anyway) are located just at the points of a right triangle. 
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Right triangles are great because trig functions are very easy to use with them.
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Therefore, we have one known angle, 90 degrees between earth and sun as viewed from the moon, and we didn't have to travel to the moon to know this.
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And we have a second known angle, the angle between the moon and sun as viewed from earth, which is where we are so we didn't have to travel anywhere.
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Consequently we can calculate the third angle, namely, the angle between the earth and moon as viewed from the sun, and we didn't have to travel to the sun (fortunately).
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180 - 90 - 89.5 = 0.5 degrees.  But we do not have an accurate number, only an approximation, since our instruments are crude. We know the angle between sun and moon is greater than 89 and less than 90 so I have approximated it at 89.5 here. If that is a good number, then the angle between earth and moon as viewed from the sun would be one half of one degree.
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More witchcraft!! 
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Burn him at the stake!! 
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Apostate!! Heretic!! Calumniator!! Ingrate!! Malefactor!!
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Curiously, all the accusations against me for being "uncharitable" toward flat-earthers, the flat-earthers practice toward me without restraint. Interesting. That could be called duplicity and hypocrisy, but we can't say that because it's "uncharitable." Correct?
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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #686 on: June 03, 2017, 02:52:04 PM »
There are regular direct flights from Australia to South America. A flat earth proponent merely has to do a search. If you feel so strongly that the Earth is flat, call up Qantas Airlines and ask them for yourself if they think the Earth is flat. You will enjoy a nice, hearty Aussie laugh on the other end of the line!
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Aww -- what do those "Down-Unders" know, anyway?
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The armchair blogger, happenby, has already assured us that the Bible absolutely has nothing about people walking around on their heads, therefore the Down-Unders are not down under at all!
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As for a flat-earther having to merely do a search presupposes that the flat-earther is interested in the truth.
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The flat-earthers won't do any search because they don't want to know whether there are in fact any regular direct flights from Australia to South America.
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Nor do they have any interest in learning how Quantas or any other airline uses Great Circle routes to make their flights more efficient. Nor do they care that navigators approximate Great Circle routes by using Rumb lines. Flat-earthers don't want to know about Rumb lines.
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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #687 on: June 04, 2017, 08:40:35 PM »
Every day, the moon proclaims in a loud voice (for those with ears to hear and eyes to see) that the earth is a globe.
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The phase of the moon observed in all parts of the world are exactly the same at any time.
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Whether you are in Nebraska or Argentina, Hawaii or South Africa, Antarctica or Australia, China or France, Greenland or Canada, the phase of the moon at any moment is the same from all over the earth.
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If the earth were "flat" that would not be the case, and depending on where you are on the earth you would see various phases of the moon because your angle of view and the sun's angle to the moon would vary depending on your position. But that's not what happens. Never has, and it never will.
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In fact, when the moon reaches its first quarter (as it did just last week), the time when the quarter moon occurs is the same all over the earth. The moon reaches its quarter phase at the same moment regardless of where the observer is on earth, but that would not be the case if the earth were "flat" with the sun and moon twirling around in inexplicable silly spirals above it like flies on (redacted) on a dinner plate.  
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5:43 am in California (UTC-7) is 8:43 am in New York and it's 12:43 pm in London, England. Therefore, the First Quarter moon occurred just (43 minutes) after noon in London, at the same moment when it occurred in California. If the earth were "flat," that would not be the case as the moon's phases would occur at different times in different parts of the world. But they don't, so the earth is not "flat."
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The earth is not "flat" and the earth is at great distance from the moon which is why the moon appears with the same phase all over the earth every day, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 12 months a year, even on leap years.

The moon appears as it does for all to see (those with eyes to see, that is), exactly the same at all times, because the moon is very far away, where it has the same appearance from great distance. If the moon were only a few thousand miles from earth (as the flat-earthers falsely claim) it would not appear the same to people all over the earth at all times and in all ages.
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The evidence is everywhere you look, if you bother to  open your eyes and take a look.
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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #688 on: June 04, 2017, 08:59:12 PM »
WHY THE MIDWEST IS SQUARE
Ever wonder about all of those right angles?

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Credit for the squaring of the Midwest is often given to Thomas Hutchins, the first geographer of the United States.
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Due partially to his influence, in 1785, Congress passed a law stipulating that the Midwest would be surveyed in a grid pattern of 6-mile squares, each square (or township) to be further subdivided into 36 1-mile squares (sections) of 640 acres each. Surveying the first tract, Hutchins stuck his Jacob staff on the north bank of the Ohio River, square on the Pennsylvania border, and ran a line due west 42 miles. And so it went.
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Many towns, even before they were platted, were set aside as 1-mile squares. Platting started with a public square, then little squares or blocks pushed out in all directions until they ran blindly into a river or lake. Thus began the pattern of land survey that was to persist throughout the rest of the country, with few exceptions. The pattern provided a way to locate precisely any piece of land within a tract to be surveyed.
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Photo credit: Thinkstock
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Blame for the squaring of the Midwest goes to the road builders. A survey line is only a mark on a map, not visible on the land like a river or three oak trees growing from one root. In hill country, delineations of roadway by necessity followed the lines of least resistance. When the lines reached the flat land of Indiana and Illinois, it became possible to mark them physically. Roads were built on the section lines.
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At least it is impossible to get lost: Heading west on a township road, you can count the perpendicular roads you pass and know how many miles you have gone. If the road you are on ends at a river, you just take a right angle and go until you find another east-west road that crosses the river.
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Unfortunately, you can’t lay down a straight line on a curved surface (such as that of planet earth) for very far. Furthermore, a magnetic compass will not keep to a consistently straight line over a great distance. (It does at some parts of the equator, but Illinois is far from the equator.) For both of these reasons, Squaredom is not nearly as accurate as the square mind would like it to be.
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Many 640-acre sections of land actually contain a few more or a few less acres than 640. The extras may have been added on to all of the quarters of a section, or they may, as in Illinois, all have been thrown into the northwest quarter, so that only three-fourths of the land possesses undefiled rectitude.
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Another kind of inaccuracy is inherent in the rectitude of forcing imperfect Earth into perfect geometric squares: Deeply undulating terrain contains considerably more surface acreage than flat terrain of the same survey dimensions. And for that, many Midwesterners are grateful.
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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #689 on: June 05, 2017, 12:37:44 AM »
This is not news. It's been going on for centuries.


http://www.public.asu.edu/~atpcs/atpcs/Univ10e/chapter03-06.html

Chapter 3-6: Ancient astronomers measured the size of the Earth and attempted to determine distances to the Sun and Moon
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Ancient (Greek) astronomers had a good knowledge of the shapes, sizes and distances of the Earth, Moon, and Sun
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They knew the Earth is spherical because

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The Earth's shadow (apparent during lunar eclipses) is always circular

On the open sea, only the tops of distant ships are visible - the lower portions are below the horizon (i.e., the ships don't just appear smaller)

Different parts of the celestial sphere are visible if one travels north or south
They knew the Moon is spherical because
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This is the easiest way to explain the sequence of lunar phases
Eratosthenes determined the size of the Earth by measuring the angle of the noontime Sun from different locations on Earth
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At a well in Syene, the Sun is at the zenith at noon on the beginning of summer
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But an obelisk at Alexandria, the Sun casts a short shadow - indicating the Sun is about 7.2 degrees away from the zenith
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The difference in angle (zero versus 7.2 degrees) is a measure of the difference in latitude (using today's terminology)
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Therefore, the linear distance between Syene and Alexandria - about 5000 stades - is 7.2/360 of the Earth's circuмference
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Using our best guess of the length of a stade, Erathosthenes' value for the size (diameter) of the Earth is accurate to a few percent!
From this, one can estimate the size of the Moon
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Observations of lunar eclipses show that the diameter Moon is about 3/8 that of Earth
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Hence, the ancient astronomers could calculate a reasonable estimate of the Moon's size
From this, one can estimate the distance to the Moon
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The Moon has an angular size of 1/2 degree
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Hence, knowing the angular size and the true (physical) size, the ancient astronomers could calculate a reasonable estimate of the distance to the Moon by applying the small-angle formula
Aristarchus determined the distance to the Sun by trying to measure the angle between the Sun  and Moon (as seen by an observer on Earth) at the time of the first quarter (or last quarter) moon
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This angle is close to - but slightly less than - 90 degrees and is very difficult to measure
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A large value means the Sun is far away, while a small one means the Sun is close
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Aristarchus got an angle that is too small and estimated the Sun is only about 20 times further than the Moon
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This also yields an estimated size of the Sun that is 20 times larger than the Moon
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The correct values are 400 not 20, but the technique showed that the Sun is the largest of these objects!