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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #570 on: April 15, 2017, 07:45:30 AM »
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Two days ago the full moon had no shadow on the underside as it would have if the sun were shining across a "flat" earth, but today, the moon is starting to show a shadow on the western side, and a little on top as well.
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There was no shadow under the moon nor anywhere else on the edges of the moon, two days ago, and the absence of shadow under the moon continues to be the case during the first quarter, as the moon approaches the new moon phase.
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As the moon approaches its first quarter (which will happen next week) the shadow on TOP of the moon gradually grows, but there is no shadow on the moon's bottom side (closest to earth). The quarter moon appears to be reclining toward the rising sun. If the earth were "flat" with the sun making its rounds over the surface of earth, the sun would not be shining from below the horizon, for it would have to be positioned below the earth's surface. But we know that when it's night here in the western hemisphere it's daylight in India and Asia, which is not on the bottom of a "flat" earth model. The angle of the sun's light comes from an impossible angle in the "flat" earth model, showing that it cannot be the truth.
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Incidentally, the Western (Roman) Church has placed Easter in the week following the first full moon of spring for good reason. This was the case when Our Lord was crucified, under a full moon. Since a total solar eclipse can only occur during a new moon, we will never have such an eclipse in Easter Week, just as it could not have happened on Good Friday. Thus it is total fabrication to say that when the earth was darkened for 3 hours that day that the cause of that darkness was an eclipse of the sun. Such an eclipse could only happen two weeks later during the new moon phase. Besides, a total solar eclipse does not darken the whole world nor does it ever last for 3 hours. The longest total solar eclipse is no more than about 7 minutes.
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You're a very strange man Mr obstat. you have been told repeatedly that something in the sky cannot prove that the earth is round, because our proofs are of the earth.

Remember that we deny that ANYone has been to space. We deny that there are galaxies millions of miles away. We say that the stars are just lights, a few thousand miles away, as are the sun and moon. All under a dome.

The precise details of what causes eclipses are unknown to us because we have not traveled up there to see more closely.

What we cannot accept is someone saying to us that the earth is a ball 25000 miles in circuмference. Which is what you say. You have no proof for it, and yet you believe it anyway. Your "proofs" are extrinsic and not intrinsic. Not scientific, because they are based on lies. If your earth is round why can't you combat us based on the curvature, instead of going off into the sky? You have just again ignored another post on the lack of curvature.

You didn't even try this time to say anything against it. Because you know it's right.

So to be clear. WE DON'T KNOW THE CAUSES OF ECLIPSES AND THAT DOES NOT DISPROVE THE FLAT EARTH. WE SPECULATE, BUT THAT IS ALL.

It is a good thing we can admit what we don't know. Our scientific system is coherent because it is based on solid foundation. Yours is based on a lie, namely that there is curvature and builds lies upon that.



"Vir insipiens non cognoscet et stultus non intelleget haec" Psalm 91

Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #571 on: April 15, 2017, 06:40:59 PM »
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You can repeat nonsense all you want and it doesn't make it true. Something in the sky CAN prove the earth is round, but you have to LOOK at it first and you have to THINK logically instead of narrow-mindedly with your false premise first and foremost, which is what all flat-earthers insist on doing. When someone won't stoop to your ridiculous level of illogic and nonsense, you hurl epithets of insult. 
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So you have nothing objectively verifiable to offer. And you refuse to participate in any such objective verification, by simply looking at the moon.
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You're a very strange man Mr obstat. you have been told repeatedly that something in the sky cannot prove that the earth is round, because our proofs are of the earth.

Remember that we deny that ANYone has been to space. We deny that there are galaxies millions of miles away. We say that the stars are just lights, a few thousand miles away, as are the sun and moon. All under a dome.

The precise details of what causes eclipses are unknown to us because we have not traveled up there to see more closely.

What we cannot accept is someone saying to us that the earth is a ball 25000 miles in circuмference. Which is what you say. You have no proof for it, and yet you believe it anyway. Your "proofs" are extrinsic and not intrinsic. Not scientific, because they are based on lies. If your earth is round why can't you combat us based on the curvature, instead of going off into the sky? You have just again ignored another post on the lack of curvature.

You didn't even try this time to say anything against it. Because you know it's right.

So to be clear. WE DON'T KNOW THE CAUSES OF ECLIPSES AND THAT DOES NOT DISPROVE THE FLAT EARTH. WE SPECULATE, BUT THAT IS ALL.

It is a good thing we can admit what we don't know. Our scientific system is coherent because it is based on solid foundation. Yours is based on a lie, namely that there is curvature and builds lies upon that.
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This one is really special. It shows what you're made of:
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The precise details of what causes eclipses are unknown to us because we have not traveled up there to see more closely.

WE DON'T KNOW THE CAUSES OF ECLIPSES AND THAT DOES NOT DISPROVE THE FLAT EARTH. WE SPECULATE, BUT THAT IS ALL.
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So why don't you "speculateabout the timing and location of the eclipse in August, and defend your speculation by showing how it's based on your flat-earthism? 
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Answer: You don't because you can't.
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We don't have to travel up there to see anything more closely.  What we need to see is perfectly viewable from where we are. Besides, even if we WERE to "travel up there to see more closely" you would no doubt complain that all the photographs were CGI and Photoshop, and that the witnesses are lying just to promote the Freemasonic Pagan nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr agenda.
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You claim that what causes eclipses are unknown because your flat-earth nonsense is incapable of being true with the evidence of eclipses before our eyes.  Your refusal to take what God has given to us for our observation and simply reason out the necessary consequences of what we consistently see, proves that you are not only ignorant but are quite comfortable remaining in your ignorance. 
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How can total solar eclipses be predicted time and time again with incredible accuracy if the theory behind the predictions is all wrong? There is another one forecast for late August this year. Do you want to go on record saying that it is all fake and will not occur as predicted, traversing diagonally across the central United States passing over St. Louis Missouri?
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Are you aware that hotels are taking reservations for this event? Why would they do that if flat-earthism were a fact? Where is there a flat-earther who can predict solar eclipses? Are you going to show up and demonstrate in the streets of St. Louis complaining that eclipses do not testify to your flat-earthism therefore they're impossible?

https://www.greatamericaneclipse.com/missouri/


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The very minutes and seconds of the eclipse duration based on the observers' precise location is predicted months in advance. Do you honestly think this is possible using your flat-earth premise of where the sun and moon are located in the sky??
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More personal insults from flat-earthers? Pile them up. Your actions speak volumes. 
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You're accusing me of "lies" but all I am saying is, "look at the moon." 
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You say say we "can't go up there" but I'm not talking about going up there, all I'm saying is look at the moon from where you stand. You are very uncomfortable with that because it's something that you don't want to do: make a first hand observation.
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You have chosen to be ignorant even when given the challenge to observe first hand and report your observation, so you fall into the second category of ignorant ones -- those who have been told and have chosen to remain ignorant.
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You remind me of some Moslems I know. Maybe you'd be much more at home with Mohammedans.
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This site is offered by booking reservations service showing you a map so you can plan your visit for seeing the eclipse: 
https://explorestlouis.com/discover/2017-total-solar-eclipse/



Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #572 on: April 15, 2017, 06:55:00 PM »
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TO ANY FLAT-EARTHER:

Please post here your explanation for how the August 2017 eclipse
of the sun shown by the following diagram
is something that can be explained presuming
that the earth is "flat"
and the sun and moon move in quasi-spirals above the earth's surface.

Alternatively, 
if you think the following diagram is somehow fake
or false or unreliable,
please explain WHY you think it's wrong
and describe what you think it OUGHT to say
to make it reliable. 



Explain for example the DIRECTION that the shadow
cast by the moon on the earth will move:
Will it move from west to east, or from east to west,
and WHY. 

Why does the shadow move in that direction
presuming the earth is flat?

And how can the precise location of the moon's 
shadow be predicted presuming a "flat" earth?
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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #573 on: April 15, 2017, 07:18:19 PM »
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This is really cool:
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You can see the blue shadow of the night fading off the left or western side (that's sunrise in the Pacific Ocean), and then you can see the night time shadow emerging in the eastern Atlantic Ocean where the eclipse shadow fades away at sunset there.
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Notice only a small speck of black (the umbra) in the middle of the penumbra, indicating how small the umbra is, the area of totality, compared to the much larger penumbra. The cause of this difference is a function of the relative sizes of the moon and the sun, and how close the moon is to earth compared to how far the sun is from earth. 
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The precise distances from earth to moon and earth to sun change by very small amounts constantly, so whether there is going to be any umbra during a given eclipse is a very delicate question. If the moon is too far from the earth the umbra will only be from the moon tapering down to a point somewhere short of the earth's surface, and so an observer would have to be in an airplane or spacecraft to be in the umbra, and anyone trying to see the eclipse on the earth's surface would only be able to see the antumbra instead, which is seen during an annular eclipse.
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The figures they are using are very precise. But in round numbers the moon is 240,000 miles away and the sun is 92 million miles away. That is how they can make this animation IN ADVANCE of the fact. 
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If you don't think that it will actually take place in this manner, then it is your duty to post witnesses and establish that the eclipse penumbra and focus do NOT actually traverse the earth with this appearance.
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Notice how the penumbra is in the shape of a circle shadow moving across the face of a globe earth. Why would this shape occur in this way if the earth were flat? If it were, then the shadow of the moon would not appear oblong or pear-shaped at the beginning and at the end of the eclipse, where it stretches out over the increasingly steep curvature of the globe earth.
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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #574 on: April 15, 2017, 07:25:58 PM »
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By the way, I just recalled something a flat-earther said before, that we can't be sure the eclipse is being caused by the moon moving in between the sun and the earth. 
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That is just about the dumbest thing you can say about a total solar eclipse. 
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So if you want to show how well you understand flat-earth eclipses, post here and explain yourself. 
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Go ahead!
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