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Offline FlatEarthInquisitor

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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #540 on: April 08, 2017, 02:51:32 PM »
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  • 14 feet is a pretty baseless estimation. There's no way to get a good one from that image. The camera is looking down on a small pickup, so I'd say that's at about 7-8 feet above the street, but there's no good reference to see how far the drop is from the street to the water. Could be 10 feet, could be 20. And that makes a fairly significant difference in horizon distance. So yes, your "estimate" was misleading.
    Proving, once again, that flat earthers are bad at geometry. See below.


    Oh this one is easy.

    It absurd to claim that you don't know how much the drop is to the water. You can see it for yourself!

    THINK!: even if it is only an estimation, and we are off, it does NOT make an essential difference to the point that you should not be able to see almost all of the cliff.

    SEE it for yourself, and tap in a few figures into the calculator.

    This claiming not to know if philosophically absurd. Philosophical agnosticism, if you will. "We can't know the truth." Grow up! The reality is before your face, you just have to be courageous enough to accept it.

    Offline noOneImportant

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #541 on: April 08, 2017, 03:24:28 PM »
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  • I take it you are conceding the point about 25 miles being the correct distance to use then?

    You cannot "see for yourself" the height, because there is no ruler marking height about sea level in the picture. You can estimate, which I did. Your estimate was on the extreme low end of what is reasonable, conveniently for you. Regardless of the fact, 14 feet at 25 miles, you STILL should expect to see a piece of the 300 foot cliff over the horizon. So even for the most conservative estimate possible, this does not, as you tried to imply, demonstrate the flatness of the earth.

    Edit to add: Incidentally, the tide in that area varies by 7 meters or more, so well over 20 feet. So it's highly unlikely that the road is < 10 feet above the sea level at any given point. People don't typically build roads where they might flood.


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #542 on: April 09, 2017, 11:06:35 AM »
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  • Not to offend you, but do you suffer from some kind of mental retardation? That is truly the charitable thing for me to say, because I am not clear if you understand what you are saying. (the other option is that you are a malicious troll)

    A "piece" of the cliff? Does it look like you see "a piece" of the cliff in those photos? 278 feet are hidden. Look closely at the profile and you will realise that it is pretty much about that which is hidden.

    By the way, I am not by any means accepting that 25 miles is the "correct" distance to use. Being open to the earth being flat, one can accept that this is the high point. In fact I could get a cross profile from the other direction, showing the various shapes of the mountains, and comparing them with what you see in the photo. This would probably show that you see the peak which is at 40 miles. Thus cementing my argument all the more.

    I was merely condescending to your slightly pedantic objection, to get you to see something that is impossible on a round earth. I hope you have the humility to accept that I am right. (I did not invent the flat earth - so it is God you would be arguing with ultimately)

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #543 on: April 09, 2017, 04:22:28 PM »
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  • I just gave you 100% proof from your beloved "scientists" that the Firmament is MATERIAL, and you can't be bothered to respond.
    How about Scripture?
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    Psalms 150:1
     Praise ye the Lord in his holy places: praise ye him in the
    firmament of his power.
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    Since when is the power of God a material thing?
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #544 on: April 09, 2017, 07:47:44 PM »
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    As for the Bible's description of the firmament, there is nothing in Scripture that describes the physical substance of the firmament, or if it HAS any physical properties.
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    What does Scripture say about the firmament?

    Genesis 1:8
    And God called the
    firmament, Heaven; and the evening and morning were the second day.
    Genesis 1:14
    And God said: Let there be lights made in the
    firmament of heaven, to divide the day and the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years:
    Genesis 1:15
    To shine in the
    firmament of heaven, and to give light upon the earth. And it was so done.
    Genesis 1:17
    And he set them in the
    firmament of heaven to shine upon the earth.
    Genesis 1:20
    God also said: Let the waters bring forth the creeping creature having life, and the fowl that may fly over the earth under the
    firmament of heaven.
    3 Kings (1 Kings) 8:43
    Then hear thou in heaven, in the
    firmament of thy dwelling place, and do all those things, for which that stranger shall call upon thee: that all the people of the earth may learn to fear thy name, as do thy people Israel, and may prove that thy name is called upon on this house, which I have built.
    3 Kings (1 Kings) 8:49
    Then hear thou in heaven, in the
    firmament of thy throne, their prayers, and their supplications, and do judgment for them:
    Psalms 17:3
    The Lord is my
    firmament, my refuge, and my deliverer. My God is my helper, and in him will I put my trust. My protector and the horn of my salvation, and my support.
    Psalms 70:3
    Be thou unto me a God, a protector, and a place of strength: that thou mayst make me safe. For thou art my
    firmament and my refuge.
    Psalms 150:1
    Praise ye the Lord in his holy places: praise ye him in the
    firmament of his power.
    Ecclesiasticus 43:1
    The
    firmament on high is his beauty, the beauty of heaven with its glorious shew.
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    Praise ye the Lord in the firmament of His power, in the firmament of His dwelling place, heaven.
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    Heaven is not a material reality.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #545 on: April 09, 2017, 08:22:11 PM »
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    Praise ye the Lord in the firmament of His power, in the firmament of His dwelling place, heaven.
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    Heaven is not a material reality.
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    That is a lie.  The body of Our Lady is material and It is in heaven.  Heaven is a place.  Material place.  

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #546 on: April 09, 2017, 08:22:50 PM »
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  •  You sure know how to go on about what you don't know.

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #547 on: April 09, 2017, 08:31:43 PM »
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  • That is a lie.  The body of Our Lady is material and It is in heaven.  Heaven is a place.  Material place. 

    Unfortunately, as a fake Catholic that you are, you don't understand what a spiritualized material body means.


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #548 on: April 09, 2017, 09:40:55 PM »
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    Heaven is not a material reality.
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    Did you just have a TOTAL brain lapse??
    The catechism teaches us that heaven (and hell, for that matter) are both a state and a place. A state of being with or without God, and a material place.
    Good grief.

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #549 on: April 09, 2017, 10:10:16 PM »
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  • Did you just have a TOTAL brain lapse??
    The catechism teaches us that heaven (and hell, for that matter) are both a state and a place. A state of being with or without God, and a material place.
    Good grief.
    Heaven is not a material place. Nor is the firmament. It is God's power. God's power is not material. God is not material. God is outside of the material universe. God is outside of time. Time is a creation of God's and is for the purpose of man's material existence on earth. 
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #550 on: April 09, 2017, 10:35:43 PM »
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  • Heaven is not a material place. Nor is the firmament. It is God's power. God's power is not material. God is not material. God is outside of the material universe. God is outside of time. Time is a creation of God's and is for the purpose of man's material existence on earth.
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    Oh my goodness, you're mumbling incoherently.  God is both spiritual AND material. Materially speaking, His name is Jesus. Mary is material. Heaven is a place that houses both persons, glorified material.  Heaven sits above the firmament as described by the saints and scripture and it is a material thing.  Go to bed Neil.   
     Origen called the firmament “without doubt firm and solid” (First Homily on Genesis, FC 71). Ambrose, commenting on Genesis 1:6, said, “the specific solidity of this exterior firmament is meant” (Hexameron, FC 42.60). And Saint Augustine said the word firmament was used “to indicate not that it is motionless but that it is solid and that it constitutes an impassible boundary between the waters above and the waters below” (The Literal Meaning of Genesis, ACW 41.1.61).   


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #551 on: April 09, 2017, 10:41:13 PM »
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    Before the Flood, there was no rain on earth.
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    When Noe built his Ark, the doomed people all around him mocked him (kind of like flat-earthers mocking others today) because they couldn't imagine what such a huge ship would be good for in the middle of land where there was no sea. There had never been rain, so they could not imagine rain. Even if they COULD imagine rain, they could not have imagined rain that would flood the earth giving buoyancy to a ship built on land.
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    But when the rains came and the Flood waters rose, they cried outside the Ark to be saved, but it was too late for them.
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    Today, we have rain clouds that give rain, but sometimes we have overcast skies where the sun does not shine through with power and brightness, because of the water vapor that obscures it. Even so, often times there is no rain on such days. The water vapor remains high in the atmosphere and does not come down to earth. That is a similar state as the skies before the Flood, when all the water vapor was held high in the atmosphere and did not rain. 
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    But imagine what it would be like on earth with most of the water now found in the oceans all suspended high in the atmosphere, kept from raining down by the power of God, e.g., by His firmament (the power of God). The air pressure on earth would have been three or four times as great. Instead of 14.7 psi at sea level, it could have been 50 or 60 psi. With such enormous pressure, life would have been different here. 
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    Perhaps you're not aware of the experiments done during the previous century where they kept primates in a pressurized environment, with greater oxygen content, and found that their life spans increased dramatically. Before the Flood, men lived much longer lifespans. I asked you before, and you did not answer, what was Noe's age when he began to build the Ark. So I'll tell you now. He was 400 years old. He spent his 5th century of life building the Ark. So being 400 years old, he was strong, mature, and able to build the Ark. He had the help of his three sons, who were all born in the same year. Why would a man 400 years old suddenly have three sons all in the same year? It is not spelled out, but they may have been triplets. He had one wife, not three wives. How could she have had three pregnancies in one year if not by triplets?
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    With the vastly higher air pressure and probably much more oxygen in the air, just like the monkeys that today can be made to live vastly longer lives with such an atmosphere, the water held up high in the sky weighed down on earth making men live much longer lives.
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    God works miracles, of course, but usually when He makes His power manifest worldwide for many years, it is through some natural means. The firmament holding back the waters without rain for several centuries could explain how God kept lifespans extended on earth until such time as He allowed the "gates of heaven" to open and thus allowed the rain to fall 40 days and 40 nights. The waters of the deep were opened as well -- the waters that had been welling up over the land in smaller rates to give plants their sustenance from creation until the Flood. Together, the rushing waters of the deep coming to the surface, perhaps due to the reduced air pressure consequent to the falling rain that alleviated the air pressure as the rain fell, along with the volume of rain water, is what made the earth to be flooded such that all the mountains were covered 15 cubits higher than their highest peaks. The mountains could have then risen as well, as geologists today say they do. In fact, during large earthquakes, mountain ranges have been measured to rise as much as 6 feet during one earthquake. That happened here in Los Angeles during the 1994 Northridge quake, when the San Gabriel mountains increased as much as 6 feet in elevation in one day.

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #552 on: April 09, 2017, 10:46:08 PM »
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  •  God is both spiritual AND material. Materially speaking, His name is Jesus. 
    At the time of the Flood, Jesus had not been incarnated. 
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    Material being is something that BECAME one with God at the time of the Incarnation, and not before. God was made man. Before God became man, Jesus was only spiritual, and He took on a material being. God's material existence had a beginning with the life of Jesus on earth. This is what we commemorate at Christmas.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #553 on: April 09, 2017, 10:49:32 PM »
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  • That is a lie.  The body of Our Lady is material and It is in heaven.  Heaven is a place.  Material place.  
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    So you are a materialist, then? You have a lot in common with Karl Marx and Charles Darwin.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #554 on: April 10, 2017, 12:33:17 AM »
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    So you are a materialist, then? You have a lot in common with Karl Marx and Charles Darwin.
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    Neil.  You are embarrassing yourself. You get quotes from saints, the Church and scripture and what do you contribute? You opine. <sigh> Do us both a favor and get in your little red wagon, drive home and ask mommy to tuck you in.  Its over.  Everything you've attempted to do to prove heliocentrism is a logical theory has long ago been trashed by greater and more saintly minds than yours.  Earth is geocentric and flat.  Do yourself a favor, take a couple of aspirin and call the doctor in the morning.