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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #485 on: March 26, 2017, 11:04:43 PM »
Lambert's Azimuthal Equal-area Projection

(Updated source page):

http://www.progonos.com/furuti/MapProj/Normal/ProjAz/ProjAzNP/projAzNP.html


Azimuthal equal-area maps
North polar aspectEquatorial aspect, central meridian 5°E
Western hemisphere, central meridian 110°WEastern hemisphere, central meridian 70°E
Like the superficially similar azimuthal equidistant, the azimuthal projection published by Johann H. Lambert in 1772 strongly distorts shapes in the boundary of a worldwide map. However, the radial scale is not constant: in the polar aspect, parallels get closer together towards the border, just enough to preserve areas.
Relatively simple in construction, this projection is frequently used in all aspects.
The polar aspect of Lambert's azimuthal projection was independently devised by Anton-Mario Lorgna (1789), and during a short period named after him.


Equatorial aspect of azimuthal equidistant projection, showing all land surfaces on earth:




Equitorial aspect, central meridian 5 degrees east:





Western hemisphere in equatorial aspect of Lambert's azimuthal equal-area projection,
central meridian 110 deg. W:





Eastern hemisphere in equatorial aspect of Lambert's azimuthal equal-area projection,
central meridian 70 deg. E:



This is 300 year-old news. Depending on your choice of how to distort the surface of the land masses and oceans on earth, you get different pictures of it on a flat surface. This is because you can't have everything when you translate a spherical surface onto a flat one. It's like trying to make an orange peel lie flat, or a deflated beach ball. 


Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #486 on: March 27, 2017, 03:31:30 PM »
I heard the interview. The two types of surveys are used for two types of measurement, large scale and small scale. Most surveys are small scale because that's what most demand for surveys require. Large scale surveys are rare because they are not needed as often, obviously.
But as is typical of your posts, you are ignoring the challenge I have given you.Do you understand? Or not?
Measure the angle between the sun and moon that you see in the sky on April 3rd.
You have already missed your chance to see where the sun rises and sets on the spring equinox. So you'll have to wait for the autumn equinox for your next chance -- which you'll no doubt miss as well, because you don't want to know the truth, do you.

If you watched the video, then you will retract what you said about him being a fraud.

I already explained how this experiment you  want me to do will prove nothing. If the earth can be shown to not have the curvature NASA says it does, then it matters little what is up in the sky. That is why I keep coming back to it and pressuring you to answer questions on it. And that is why you keep ignoring it.
And that is why you are clogging up the thread with such long posts - to distract.

By the way, I had a look at the video you posted "proving the earth is not flat". Most of these guys objections have been answered by intelligent flat earthers. But there were some sligtly new ones. His claim about the curvature of the earth is flat out wrong. There is a huge difference between two points 100 miles apart in the horizon. Look it up yourself and see.

Secondly the objection about the orange is ridiculous. A sphere by definition is a 3dimensional circle. So of course you would see a curve. His video even shows us cutting of the orange and having us place ourselves on the flat part of the orange. But we don't do that if we are on a ball! He asks us if we understand. Of course not! He's talking rubbish.

He talks about perspective and criticises the guy for saying that his sun is always the same size.  But they guy was using a cartoon as an ILLUSTRATION. We know from common sense observation that the sun changes size (as we look at it.)



Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #487 on: March 28, 2017, 09:54:47 PM »
If you watched the video, then you will retract what you said about him being a fraud.

I already explained how this experiment you  want me to do will prove nothing. If the earth can be shown to not have the curvature NASA says it does, then it matters little what is up in the sky. That is why I keep coming back to it and pressuring you to answer questions on it. And that is why you keep ignoring it.
And that is why you are clogging up the thread with such long posts - to distract.

By the way, I had a look at the video you posted "proving the earth is not flat". Most of these guys objections have been answered by intelligent flat earthers. But there were some sligtly new ones. His claim about the curvature of the earth is flat out wrong. There is a huge difference between two points 100 miles apart in the horizon. Look it up yourself and see.

Secondly the objection about the orange is ridiculous. A sphere by definition is a 3dimensional circle. So of course you would see a curve. His video even shows us cutting of the orange and having us place ourselves on the flat part of the orange. But we don't do that if we are on a ball! He asks us if we understand. Of course not! He's talking rubbish.

He talks about perspective and criticises the guy for saying that his sun is always the same size.  But they guy was using a cartoon as an ILLUSTRATION. We know from common sense observation that the sun changes size (as we look at it.)
I watched the video and he is a fraud. Why should I retract the truth? I have known professional navigators myself and they just laugh at frauds like that. Wake up!

So you refuse to make a simple observation, and the reason must be because you don't want to know the truth. I see very well, thank you.  You say that what is visible to us up in the sky doesn't matter. Your words speak for themselves. 

I am ignoring nothing. I look to the sky and see what I see and comment on it and you can't stand to hear about it because the truth is not in you.

The long posts I made above are for those who want to know, and apparently that's not you.

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By the way, I had a look at the video you posted "proving the earth is not flat". Most of these guys objections have been answered by intelligent flat earthers. But there were some sligtly [slightly?] new ones. His claim about the curvature of the earth is flat out wrong. There is a huge difference between two points 100 miles apart in the horizon. Look it up yourself and see.
I have yet to see any "intelligent flat earthers" -- their words contradict themselves again and again, and they, like you, refuse to look in the sky and see what they see and recognize their ideas are all nonsense when compared to what is actually visible in the sky. 

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He talks about perspective and criticises the guy for saying that his sun is always the same size.  But they guy was using a cartoon as an ILLUSTRATION. We know from common sense observation that the sun changes size (as we look at it.)
No, the sun does not change size as we look at it. (There are times when earth is closer or further away from the sun but the size of the sun is affected so minimally that the difference in apparent size is not even measurable without sophisticated equipment.) There are times when the sun is near the horizon, low in the sky, when distortion makes it appear larger as so does the moon at times, but notice those are when the sun ought to appear SMALLER if it were further away like flat-earthers claim it is (only 3,000 miles high, etc.). So that only further HURTS your incorrect perception of reality.

It's interesting to me that there are people alive today who continue to disregard the simple observations we can all make in the sky to demonstrate the fact that the earth is not flat but a spheroid. It has been helpful to me to have these conversations online because now I know what is happening, and it is the same kind of thing that happened in the Church when modern philosophers attacked the foundations of correct thinking. 

Flat-earthers don't care what is visible in the sky because they only see what they WANT to see, since it is their flatness paradigm that is to them a false god which they must protect at all costs. For them, reality is in the mind, just as it was for Karl Marx and Charles Darwin and Immanuel Kant. If they don't like what someone says, they simply deny the reality like the Irish Protestant "bishop" Berkeley did. 

There is nothing new under the sun. 



Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #488 on: March 29, 2017, 10:42:43 AM »
I watched the video and he is a fraud. Why should I retract the truth? I have known professional navigators myself and they just laugh at frauds like that. Wake up!

So you refuse to make a simple observation, and the reason must be because you don't want to know the truth. I see very well, thank you.  You say that what is visible to us up in the sky doesn't matter. Your words speak for themselves.

I am ignoring nothing. I look to the sky and see what I see and comment on it and you can't stand to hear about it because the truth is not in you.

The long posts I made above are for those who want to know, and apparently that's not you.
I have yet to see any "intelligent flat earthers" -- their words contradict themselves again and again, and they, like you, refuse to look in the sky and see what they see and recognize their ideas are all nonsense when compared to what is actually visible in the sky.
No, the sun does not change size as we look at it. (There are times when earth is closer or further away from the sun but the size of the sun is affected so minimally that the difference in apparent size is not even measurable without sophisticated equipment.) There are times when the sun is near the horizon, low in the sky, when distortion makes it appear larger as so does the moon at times, but notice those are when the sun ought to appear SMALLER if it were further away like flat-earthers claim it is (only 3,000 miles high, etc.). So that only further HURTS your incorrect perception of reality.

It's interesting to me that there are people alive today who continue to disregard the simple observations we can all make in the sky to demonstrate the fact that the earth is not flat but a spheroid. It has been helpful to me to have these conversations online because now I know what is happening, and it is the same kind of thing that happened in the Church when modern philosophers attacked the foundations of correct thinking.

Flat-earthers don't care what is visible in the sky because they only see what they WANT to see, since it is their flatness paradigm that is to them a false god which they must protect at all costs. For them, reality is in the mind, just as it was for Karl Marx and Charles Darwin and Immanuel Kant. If they don't like what someone says, they simply deny the reality like the Irish Protestant "bishop" Berkeley did.

There is nothing new under the sun.



You cannot dismiss someone as a fraud because you don't like what he is saying. You have to give substantial, instrinsic reasons for saying so.

The sun does appear different in size. Not my problem if you want to deny it.

It all comes down to looking at the evidence. The earth appears flat because it IS flat. We see objects over the horizon because there is NOT the curvature that NASA says is there.

Let he who has ears to hear listen.

Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #489 on: March 29, 2017, 11:19:59 PM »
There are multiple sets of three locations on earth that fit this description.
The simplest to describe is one at the north pole, two at the 90th longitude and equator, three at the prime meridian and equator. The angle between each adjacent location is 90 degrees in each case, yet together they form a triangle on the surface of the earth, since you can arrive at the next place by traveling in a straight line over the surface. You get from two to three by going due east.
That can only happen on a globe, and it cannot happen on a "flat" earth.
The quote referred to above is as follows:

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Quote from: Neil Obstat on March 22, 2017, 01:29:00 AM
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When you expand this triangle sufficiently, you can get three 90-degree angles.
Anyone with familiarity with basic geometry knows that a triangle cannot have 3 right angles.
But on a sphere, you can have a triangle with 3 right angles, with spherical excess.

This has to go down on record as one of the dumbest things ever written at Cathinfo.

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My description may have been a bit lacking in detail, and I can't post a drawing of it. The triangle I refer to on the globe is copied to a "flat earth" model showing the two due north legs of the triangle that converge at the north pole as straight lines. One goes from the pole to the equator at the 90th meridian and the other goes from the pole to the equator along the Prime Meridian. These two should be easy to understand for all readers.

However, the third leg of the (spherical) triangle is seen as a CURVED line on the "flat earth" model, proceeding along the equator from the 90th meridian to the Prime Meridian (0 degrees). Even so, on the globe this is a straight line when viewed from the plane of the equator, that is, directly above the equator with the rest of the equator going in a straight line right and left with the other half of the equatorial circle out of view since it's behind the globe.  

It is a simple fact that a ship or airplane proceeding along the equator does not need to turn right or left in order to remain on the equator. Any real navigator knows this. Therefore any course remaining on the equator follows a path straight ahead, or "dead rudder" which means this leg of the triangle is a straight line, and not a curve.

It is a spherical triangle, since it occurs on the surface of a sphere. It is defined by the geometrical shape bounded by three different great circles of the same sphere.

The spherical triangle I am describing is only possible on a sphere. The following video describes such triangles which occur on the face of a sphere: