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50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #415 on: March 15, 2017, 03:49:46 PM »
Quote from: Meg
Quote from: happenby
Quote from: Meg
Quote from: BumphreyHogart

I think non-Catholics, and disgruntled, fallen-away Catholics, just come here to bring laughter upon Catholicism by posting such nonsense. Either that or they have Internet access from a mental institution.


I understand that it seems crazy to think that the earth is flat. I used to think the same thing. I, for one, have no intention of bringing laughter upon Catholicism, or, rather, traditional Catholicism. I find the evidence for a flat earth to be quite compelling, even though I'm not 100% convinced.

The problem with the flat earth belief, IMO, is that there are few truly Catholic references or studies on the subject. Most of the material that supports a flat earth comes from pagan or protestant sources. The pagan sources are the most problematic for me.


It is a problem. I've been howling at the tiny moon since 2008.  When Eric Dubay finally showed up about three years ago, I have to admit, I enjoyed seeing him come on the scene because he really understood that earth was flat. To this day, he is one of the best for clarity and content, but his paganism is outrageous and disheartening, making him less than adequate as a decent resource. This is why I talk about flat earth where ever I go. Its been a long and difficult haul, but we need Catholics to rebuild what is necessarily Catholic! We need people to go through Church docuмents, read saints and unearth gold. And believe me, its out in them there hills!  We need researchers, youtubers, teachers, apologists, priests who can handle the heat, brave moms and dads!  Catholics must become aware that the diabolical disorientation spoken of by Sister Lucia is not only spiritual, but it is physical as well.  There is no question that this great apostasy we are enduring today is firmly rooted in science falsely so-called.  




I appreciate your thoughtful post above.

The problem I see with someone like Eric Dubay, is that his extreme anti-religious views (which have been at times blasphemous against God), are likely to muddle his thinking in areas other than religion. I mean, if someone has such extreme flaws in his thinking regarding religion, can he really be trusted to think properly on other things, such as a flat earth?

This is just my opinion, but, since knowing whether or not the earth is flat or a globe is not required for our salvation, it seems that having to read through the sometimes vile views of Dubay can be a problem. Sometimes we do, of course, have to read through awful things to get at the truth of matter. I guess it's up to each of as to how much vileness we can take in an effort to get at the truth.

The Dominicans of Avrille (whom I admire greatly) have said on their website that they don't really care for the term "Resistance," since we are not defined so much by what we are against, but rather we are defined by what we are "For." They prefer the terms, "Battle for the Faith," or "Combat for the Faith,"  since these are more accurate descriptions of what the Resistance is all about. I hope that makes sense.


It does make sense.  I think about it a lot and I agree with the Dominicans of Avrille.  Catholics must be more than opposed to all that is wrong since they must be 100% vested in God and His Will, firstly.  The hatred of heresy and being opposed to error comes as result of our love for Our Lord.  One is primary, the other is almost a consequence.  Keeping those straight is the duty of the Christian.  If one hates error first and loves God second, a disorder becomes manifest in the form of bitterness, anxiety, backbiting, and even apostasy. Because love must come first, the fruits of keeping God number 1, properly maintains the hatred of heresy, conditions the warrior for the war, yet tends to make even the tough stuff joy-filled.

There is a third way, where one begins to put God first, but refuses to hate heresy.  It seems to me that this is the approach of many in the modern Church, seeking all loveliness, happiness, consolation, etc, but they will not defend, argue, disagree, or be contrary for truth's sake. Conflict and division are inevitable because true Catholics are born to be warriors.

As for the necessity of knowing the truth about God's creation, that the earth is flat and geocentric, it is far more necessary than one might think.  After all, we relate to God through creation, through reality.  So if our view of creation is skewed, so will be our relationship and understanding of God. For instance, if someone lives in the matrix, that is, everything in their world is an illusion for them, a game as it were, they will die in the matrix of that false image of the world in their mind and are unlikely to be saved.  

Globalism (in all senses of the word) is directly opposed to the reality of God's creation.  Heliocentrism is a Satanic religion.  It is forced relativism, because nothing is true where the terrain is said to be a globe.  The horizon is not horizontal.  Level horizon is not level but curved. There is no up on a globe, only out.  No down, no positional east or west.  God is not up, rather, He's out there...somewhere. Heaven isn't up, it is also down, depending on what side of the globe one is on.  Jesus didn't rise for all, but in some cases, went sideways or down, depending on you. Obviously that is false. This contradictory manner of being deceptive is illusory manipulation of what is. Its an atheistic relativism that promotes chaotic behaviors of moderns, who are all rooted in the globalist's doctrine of Copernican/Heliocentrism.  Orientation matters because we are physical as well as spiritual.  That is why scripture spends so much time teaching  about the flat earth, showing clearly that up is up and down is down.  God is up, the devil is down.  And that if one hears in Catholic teaching that the world is a globe, it must necessarily include the arch of heaven and the pit of hell which form the top and bottom outer circular components that along with flat earth in the center, make up a celestial globe Christ is seen holding in art.

     

       

50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #416 on: March 15, 2017, 03:56:35 PM »
Quote from: ManuelChavez
Quote from: FlatEarthInquisitor
At this point I think it is clear that Bumphrey and Neil are either mentally defective, consumed with some kind of diabolical pride, or both.


Please do not accuse anyone in such a manner. It is not conducive to any sort of discussion, and it also tends to work against the user of such language.


Oh, please Manuel. You're going to sermonize to the flat earthers on what constitutes good behavior after calling us stupid or crazy on a regular basis? Give me a break.


50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #417 on: March 15, 2017, 04:00:33 PM »
Quote from: Neil Obstat

So now you're changing your mind again, from saying the sun moves in a spiral motion over a "flat" earth, to saying it moves in a straight line?  Need I say more?




No, Neil - not changing my mind. The sun and moon appear to move in a straight line across the sky due to the law of perspective from the observer's viewpoint on the flat plane.

The actual motion of the firmament is rotating in a circle, as shown by the star trail timelapse photo.

But, yes, the sun does actually move in concentric circles between the Tropic of Cancer and Capricorn over the course of a 12 month period.

50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #418 on: March 15, 2017, 04:26:00 PM »
Quote from: FlatEarthInquisitor

The point which makes me wonder if he is mentally defective is because he doesnt seem to get that if you assume the earth is round, then of course perspective doesn't make sense, and of course a lot of other things don't make sense. It is a whole other system, and he is either unwilling (proud) or unable (mentally handicapped) to perceive that.


^^THIS^^

50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #419 on: March 15, 2017, 04:29:42 PM »
Quote from: happenby

Globalism (in all senses of the word) is directly opposed to the reality of God's creation.  Heliocentrism is a Satanic religion.  It is forced relativism, because nothing is true where the terrain is said to be a globe.  The horizon is not horizontal.  Level horizon is not level but curved. There is no up on a globe, only out.  No down, no positional east or west.  God is not up, rather, He's out there...somewhere. Heaven isn't up, it is also down, depending on what side of the globe one is on.  Jesus didn't rise for all, but in some cases, went sideways or down, depending on you. Obviously that is false. This contradictory manner of being deceptive is illusory manipulation of what is. Its an atheistic relativism that promotes chaotic behaviors of moderns, who are all rooted in the globalist's doctrine of Copernican/Heliocentrism.  Orientation matters because we are physical as well as spiritual.  That is why scripture spends so much time teaching  about the flat earth, showing clearly that up is up and down is down.  God is up, the devil is down.  And that if one hears in Catholic teaching that the world is a globe, it must necessarily include the arch of heaven and the pit of hell which form the top and bottom outer circular components that along with flat earth in the center, make up a celestial globe Christ is seen holding in art.      


Thank you for explaining why it matters where we live!