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Offline Meg

Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #830 on: August 08, 2017, 01:27:02 PM »
Yes, Neil has made a decision to fight this, but his approach as you say, is contradictory...on many levels. (Shameless pun)  The flat earth/sphere dichotomy is a huge clue to getting to the point of flat earth. We have great enemies who hate God and are intent making themselves God and enslaving us.  Yet so many "God fearing men" heartily believe the enemy's false notion of creation.  Belief in the devil's propaganda provides evil men tremendous power.  But evil only has that power if we freely give it away by believing lies rather than God, His Word, the Church, etc.  Flat earth incites the deepest of passions because we're talking about people's own little twisted world, in their own little twisted minds, who prefer a certain little twisted relationship with God based on their demonic world view. And they like it! Hence the vitriol you endure when you share the one thing they fear most: God's world, God's rules.  
The true and Catholic view of our environment frees us, enlightens us, enables us to love God, worship Him with understanding, humility and awe. Not to mention, it helps protects us from becoming enslaved in a myriad of ways.  It seems to me that flat earth gives us the necessary grounding we need to connect to God and to trust Him even more.  It even provides a backdrop for understanding why mundane duty, maintaining simplicity, and being grounded, especially in truth, are so necessary and so good. A right understanding of our earth really does matter.  Ultimately, flat earth reflects God's Word rather than the globe which puts a spin on it (pun again).  God's firm, level playing-field foundation actually provides a physical basis for trusting His Word.  


I agree, except for the part where you mention about them preferring a certain twisted relationship with God based on a demonic world view. I mean, I think I understand what you're saying, but I would go a little easier on them, given that our schools (even traditional Catholic schools, probably) teach a heliocentric view, and it's what we've always been taught. It takes a certain leap of faith to question the shape of the earth, since our whole world basically doesn't accept a flat earth. I don't really blame them, in a sense. To go up against the status quo regarding a subject like this isn't easy or pleasant. It's frustrating to have to endure their vitrol, granted, but it might help us to learn to be more patient, too (at least for me).

I try to take the example of how St. Bernadette dealt with the angry secular authorities who were against her because of the apparitions of the BVM - she told these authorities the truth, and wasn't above being a bit snarky at times. But she was not uncharitable. I'm not very good at following her example, because I often forget about it. But I try. 

Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #831 on: August 08, 2017, 03:22:28 PM »
I hadn't realized that you are not a supporter of Heliocentrism. Sorry about that.

As to the other issue, the inability to show an accurate depiction of the supposed scale of the earth and moon in relation to the sun, well, this issue isn't the same thing at all as not being able to depict an oxygen molecule. We cannot, of course, see molecules at all with the naked eye. We can, however, clearly see the sun and moon.

It isn't reasonable, IMO, to think that the sun is so far away from the earth that it can't possibly be depicted accurately in a drawing of any kind whatsoever.

And we have Sacred Scripture on our side.
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An accurate picture of the sun, moon and earth depicted on one page or one computer screen would look like a line going across the page or screen, and would not convey any information. The purpose of the out-of-scale images is to bring the details of the very long reality down to size so its parts can be observed. When we watch an eclipse in person we are seeing the whole picture from the end of the line segment, so we do not observe the length of it because of its foreshortening due to our line of sight. It can be compared to a rifleman sighting a target through a riflescope. What he sees in the scope is an enlarged image of his target, but he cannot see the side view of the bullet's impact. That takes another point of view, at the target. But if we take that same point of view and try to draw in the length of the shot and include the image of the rifleman holding his gun, suddenly the parts of the whole picture become so small on the page that the whole thing would look like a line, conveying no information of the details of the rifle or target.

For you to be consistent, you would then say, that since the details of the rifleman and target cannot be given on one page then you do not have to believe that they exist. Does that make any sense?
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Or take the finding of the Titanic on the ocean floor. Try to draw a picture of the searching ship on the water's surface, with the cables going down into the depths of the sea, at the end of which is the submersible craft with lights and camera, showing as well the wreck of the Titanic on the ocean floor. Try to fit all that on one page showing details such as the shape of the submersible and identifiable parts of the ship, and don't forget, the length of the cable is over one mile, or 5,280 feet. For you to be consistent, you would have to say that since those details cannot be shown on one page then you don't have to believe they were possible, and that the Titanic was never found or observed as they reported it was.
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For something to have happened at a great distance it is not necessary that the whole event must be viewable on one page or one computer screen with an accurate scale image. 
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Can you show a detailed picture of the airport where you took off, the flight path of the aircraft over hundreds of miles, the airplane you flew on, and the airport you landed, all on one page? If not, then you must not have taken any such flight because it cannot be shown on one page or one computer screen, no?
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Offline Meg

Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #832 on: August 08, 2017, 03:40:31 PM »
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An accurate picture of the sun, moon and earth depicted on one page or one computer screen would look like a line going across the page or screen, and would not convey any information. The purpose of the out-of-scale images is to bring the details of the very long reality down to size so its parts can be observed. When we watch an eclipse in person we are seeing the whole picture from the end of the line segment, so we do not observe the length of it because of its foreshortening due to our line of sight. It can be compared to a rifleman sighting a target through a riflescope. What he sees in the scope is an enlarged image of his target, but he cannot see the side view of the bullet's impact. That takes another point of view, at the target. But if we take that same point of view and try to draw in the length of the shot and include the image of the rifleman holding his gun, suddenly the parts of the whole picture become so small on the page that the whole thing would look like a line, conveying no information of the details of the rifle or target.
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For you to be consistent, you would then say, that since the details of the rifleman and target cannot be given on one page then you do not have to believe that they exist. Does that make any sense?
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Or take the finding of the Titanic on the ocean floor. Try to draw a picture of the searching ship on the water's surface, with the cables going down into the depths of the sea, at the end of which is the submersible craft with lights and camera, showing as well the wreck of the Titanic on the ocean floor. Try to fit all that on one page showing details such as the shape of the submersible and identifiable parts of the ship, and don't forget, the length of the cable is over one mile, or 5,280 feet. For you to be consistent, you would have to say that since those details cannot be shown on one page then you don't have to believe they were possible, and that the Titanic was never found or observed as they reported it was.
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For something to have happened at a great distance it is not necessary that the whole event must be viewable on one page or one computer screen with an accurate scale image.
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Can you show a detailed picture of the airport where you took off, the flight path of the aircraft over hundreds of miles, the airplane you flew on, and the airport you landed, all on one page? If not, then you must not have taken any such flight because it cannot be shown on one page or one computer screen, no?
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None of the new analogies above make your case more plausible. I've already said why your view doesn't make sense. That hasn't changed. 

Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #833 on: August 08, 2017, 04:24:40 PM »

I agree, except for the part where you mention about them preferring a certain twisted relationship with God based on a demonic world view. I mean, I think I understand what you're saying, but I would go a little easier on them, given that our schools (even traditional Catholic schools, probably) teach a heliocentric view, and it's what we've always been taught. It takes a certain leap of faith to question the shape of the earth, since our whole world basically doesn't accept a flat earth. I don't really blame them, in a sense. To go up against the status quo regarding a subject like this isn't easy or pleasant. It's frustrating to have to endure their vitrol, granted, but it might help us to learn to be more patient, too (at least for me).

I try to take the example of how St. Bernadette dealt with the angry secular authorities who were against her because of the apparitions of the BVM - she told these authorities the truth, and wasn't above being a bit snarky at times. But she was not uncharitable. I'm not very good at following her example, because I often forget about it. But I try.
I guess I wasn't terribly clear that it is only the people who react with vitriol who are the ones with the demonic world view. Otherwise why do they resist with so much name-calling, anger and denial?  Flat earth is indeed a difficult thing to wrap one's head around, but it never should invoke the kind of demeaning trash-talk and threats flat earthers often endure. Conversely, flat earthers owe everyone charitable responses.  Sometimes, in our haste, after having been haggled and dogged and called morons long enough, we too lash out (like Peter with his sword) but usually only after repeated aggression. Still...not good. As you mentioned, we really must try to maintain good example.  It is also true that sound doctrine and truth are often not endured today and the person delivering it is seen as a bad guy, divisive, rude when he's not, and uncharitable just for speaking the truth. This response to truth is often used as a weapon to shut down the message and is difficult to ignore.  Formulating excellent and charitable responses in every condition is something I've worked on with this subject for the past 10 years.  Someday, I hope to be an expert!      :pray: :)        

Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #834 on: August 08, 2017, 11:23:01 PM »
Them's some fine lookin' trailers, mr. Ohcha. I'm just wishin' that the trailer park that me and them other flat earthers are livin' in looked as fine as that'un. Land sakes, why, they probly even has cable television! Hee Haw!
I thought this was a pic of the one the aliens landed on.  But on closer inspection, probably not with dense trees and all.
Cable TV?  What kind of trailer park would that be?