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Offline Meg

Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #840 on: August 09, 2017, 10:41:05 AM »
I guess I wasn't terribly clear that it is only the people who react with vitriol who are the ones with the demonic world view. Otherwise why do they resist with so much name-calling, anger and denial?  Flat earth is indeed a difficult thing to wrap one's head around, but it never should invoke the kind of demeaning trash-talk and threats flat earthers often endure. Conversely, flat earthers owe everyone charitable responses.  Sometimes, in our haste, after having been haggled and dogged and called morons long enough, we too lash out (like Peter with his sword) but usually only after repeated aggression. Still...not good. As you mentioned, we really must try to maintain good example.  It is also true that sound doctrine and truth are often not endured today and the person delivering it is seen as a bad guy, divisive, rude when he's not, and uncharitable just for speaking the truth. This response to truth is often used as a weapon to shut down the message and is difficult to ignore.  Formulating excellent and charitable responses in every condition is something I've worked on with this subject for the past 10 years.  Someday, I hope to be an expert!      :pray: :)        

Thank you for your thoughtful post. God bless you for all of the good work and efforts in defense of the flat earth. You are correct about the system that the ball-earthers uphold is demonic- it's just that they don't know that. They do believe that they are doing the right thing by upholding the status quo, even though it empowers a freemasonic and pagan agenda, IMO. 

You know a lot more about FE than I do, so I will continue to learn about the finer details from you.  :)

Offline Meg

Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #841 on: August 09, 2017, 10:47:11 AM »
Here is a very nice flat-earth legend:

THE EARTH ON TURTLE'S BACK                        

Before Earth was here there was only water as far as one could see in all directions, with birds and animals swimming around in it. Up above in the clouds there was Skyland. In Skyland was a great and beautiful tree with four white roots stretching to the four sacred directions. Every kind of fruit and flower grew from its wide spreading branches.

The Chief of Skyland's young wife was expecting a child. One night she dreamt she saw the great tree uprooted. The next morning she told her husband her dream. "This is very sad," he said, "for it is a dream of great power and we must do all we can to make it come true." Then the chief called all the men together and told them they must uproot the tree. But the roots were so deep and strong they couldn't budge it. So the ancient chief himself wrapped his arms around the tree and strained and strained, until with one last great effort he uprooted it. Now there was a great hole where the tree's roots had been. The chief's wife came and leaned over to look down, holding the tip of one of the uprooted tree's branches to steady herself, Far below she thought she saw something glittering like water. Leaning out further she lost her balance and fell into the hole. Her hand slipped from the tip of the branch, leaving her only a handful of seeds as she fell.

Far, far below in the waters some of the animals looked up. "Someone is falling from the sky," said one.

"We must help her," said another. Then two Swans flew up and caught her between their wings, and brought her gently down to the water where the birds and animals were watching.

She is not like us," said one of the animals. "She doesn't have webbed feet. I don't think she can live in the water." "What shall we do?" said another of the water animals.

"I know," said one of the birds. "I have heard there is Earth far below the waters. If we dive down and bring up Earth she will have a place to stand. So the birds and animals tried to bring up Earth. First Duck dove far down beneath the surface, but he couldn't reach the bottom and floated back up. Then Beaver tried. He went even deeper, so deep that it was all dark, but he couldn't reach the bottom either. Then Loon tried and was gone a long, long time, but he too failed to bring up Earth. Soon it seemed that all had tried and failed. Then a small voice spoke.

"I will bring up Earth or die trying." They all looked to see who it was. It was little Muskrat. She dove down and swam and swam. She was not as strong and swift as the others, but she was determined. She went so deep that it was all dark, and still she swam deeper. Her lungs felt ready to burst, but she swam deeper still. At last, just as she was becoming unconscious, she grasped at the bottom with her little paw and floated upwards, almost dead. When the other animals saw her break the surface, they thought she had failed. Then they saw her right paw was held tightly shut.

"She has the Earth," they said. "Now where can we put it?"

"Put it on my back," said a deep voice. It was Great Turtle who had come up from the depths. They brought Muskrat over and placed her paw against his back. To this day there are marks at the back of Turtle's shell that were made by Muskrat's paw. The tiny bit of Earth fell on the back of Turtle. Almost immediately it began to grow and grow until it became the whole world.

Then the two Swans brought Sky Woman down. She stepped onto the new Earth and opened her hand, letting the seeds fall onto the bare soil. From the seeds the trees and grass and flowers sprang up. Life on Earth had begun.


Creation Story from the Onondaga Tribe, From Keepers of the Earth by Michael J. Caduto & Joseph Bruchac

Neil,

I don't know why you are posting a creation story from the Onondaga peoples, unless you are trying to equate a flat earth with Indian stories. The Indian peoples tried to make sense of the world, and developed stories that would make sense to them. They were observers of natural law, especially in that most of them believed in some sort of creator.

However, we Catholics have the benefit of revelation and sacred scripture. Do you believe that the Book of Genesis, in relation to the earth, is a myth, on par with the Indian creation stories?


Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #842 on: August 10, 2017, 09:56:59 AM »
can't believe there is a conversation going on with a guy who believes in Aliens.

AND works for NASA!

Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #843 on: August 10, 2017, 02:43:24 PM »
A user over on the flat earth forum made this post:

http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/t154-why-the-solar-eclipse-shadow-moves-from-west-to-east

The sun causes a shadow for every object it passes over as it moves across the sky above the flat plane of the earth from dawn until dusk, east to west.

Therefore, at dawn the shadows of a tree or a lamppost are on the west side of the object.
Then the shadow is directly below the tree or lamppost at noon, as the sun passes directly overhead.
Finally, the shadows are to the east of the tree or lamppost, as the sun sets in the west.

It is this exact same movement of the sun which explains why the shadow of the moon moves from west to east.

The sun is at a higher altitude than the moon.

When the eclipse begins, the sun is "rising" above the moon from the east, making the shadow of the moon hit the ground to the west in, say, Oregon. As the sun passes directly above the moon at its zenith ("noon") point, then the shadow will be directly under the moon, hitting the ground in say, Kansas City. Last, the shadow will be to the east of the moon as the sun "sets" to the west of it, causing the shadow to hit the ground in say, Georgia.

The shadow will also be elongated at "rise" and "set," explaining the overall elliptical shape, and more circular at zenith. You can do this experiment for yourself by observing a timelapse photo of the shadow of a lamppost from rise to set.

Here's a good example video: the shadows of these vertical doorposts move across the floor from west to east (left to right) as you see the sun rise in the east (right) side of the camera frame. This shows the exact effect of what happens during the solar eclipse:



It is a much simpler explanation when you know the earth is a flat plane, than the unintelligible one the media/NASA tries to give:



Also, the eclipse shadow is reported to be 70-100 miles wide, so this would be the width of the moon.

The shadow of any given object corresponds to its size. The width of a shadow of an object does not change, only the length, as it elongates due to the lengthening distance of the source light (the sun) and the angle approaching zero.

Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #844 on: August 10, 2017, 03:18:00 PM »



Does this shadow look like 70 miles to you?

Well NASA says it is suppose to be!

And at the same time it says this is a real photo.