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« Reply #120 on: June 18, 2025, 02:45:53 PM »
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  • Did you get the jab?
    Even if he did, does it matter?  There are are plenty of people who got it, especially at first, before realizing the problems with it.  Many have come to regret it. 
    An acquaintance of mine got the first jab and had absolutely no problems. She didn’t understand why I wouldn’t take it, dismissing my refusal as believing superstitious, poorly educated people online.
    She has since entirely reversed her views in the light of further educating herself. She’s an older lady who barely uses internet. She knows how to use email on a tablet, that’s it!  She sent me and I suppose others, an apology card. She still hasn’t had any jab related health problems. She had Covid a full year after the jab, a medium case, along with her son’s family and an unrelated friend. All of the others were unjabbed, and caught it from her son while on a group vacation. She thinks she probably got saline. All of them recuperated at home without visiting a doctor. Her daughter-in-law is a nurse who got them them on the right doses of ivermectin. 
    Would you have less compassion for someone who is ill as a result of the Fauxi Ouchi?
    You should not. Rejoicing or withholding compassion to those suffering the consequences of their actions, whether by sin or ignorance is Calvinist, not Catholic. Unless God has appointed you the administrator of Justice, ie. a parent, teacher, law officer, prison guard, judge, or executioner, your attitude is uncharitable.

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    « Reply #121 on: June 18, 2025, 03:00:27 PM »
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  • Would you have less compassion for someone who is ill as a result of the Fauxi Ouchi?
    You should not. Rejoicing or withholding compassion to those suffering the consequences of their actions, whether by sin or ignorance is Calvinist, not Catholic. Unless God has appointed you the administrator of Justice, ie. a parent, teacher, law officer, prison guard, judge, or executioner, your attitude is uncharitable.
    Less compassion? Absolutely. Less does not mean none and I do not think we are required to have an equal amount of compassion for those who undergo an evil through no fault of their own and those who are culpable for it. For example, I would have much more compassion for an infant who contracted HIV through birth than a sodomite who contracted it through, well, sodomy. The same applies to the jab. The information was all there, if you cared enough to look for it and did not care for human respect 
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


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    « Reply #122 on: June 18, 2025, 03:28:41 PM »
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  • Less compassion? Absolutely. Less does not mean none and I do not think we are required to have an equal amount of compassion for those who undergo an evil through no fault of their own and those who are culpable for it. For example, I would have much more compassion for an infant who contracted HIV through birth than a sodomite who contracted it through, well, sodomy. The same applies to the jab. The information was all there, if you cared enough to look for it and did not care for human respect
    I get your point. I understand your HIV example, but in a way, the innocent baby suffering AIDS by no fault of his own suffers less. He is not weighed down by a guilty conscience and a list of regrets.  Thinking about it this way, the suffering sinner deserves more compassion than the innocent sufferer.  In Heaven, there is greater rejoicing over one sinner who repents than 100 who have no need of repentance. 

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    « Reply #123 on: June 18, 2025, 03:36:03 PM »
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  • Would you have less compassion for someone who is ill as a result of the Fauxi Ouchi? 
    Catholics aren't required to have compassion for anyone.  Charity?  Yes.  But compassion?  No.

    Example:  My neighbor is climbing up a ladder to check on his house gutter.  I tell him, "Hey buddy, your ladder is off balance.  You need to fix it."  He responds, "Oh, mind your own business!" and then proceeds to fall and break his leg.  Must I have compassion on him (i.e. feel sorry for him), for his stupidity?  No.  If he asks me to help him fix his gutter since his leg is broken, should I help him?  I don't have to, but out of charity I probably will.  

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    You should not. Rejoicing or withholding compassion to those suffering the consequences of their actions, whether by sin or ignorance is Calvinist, not Catholic. Unless God has appointed you the administrator of Justice, ie. a parent, teacher, law officer, prison guard, judge, or executioner, your attitude is uncharitable.
    Sometimes people only learn through mistakes.  In the case of the bull-headed neighbor who broke his leg because of the faulty ladder, I wouldn't make fun of him for his pride (i.e. I'm not going to rejoice that he fell), but i'm also not going to (nor am I required to) treat him like the whole thing was an accident (i.e.  "Oh you poor thing.  What a horrible accident you suffered.").  Because it wasn't an accident; it was a screw up.

    Such is neither uncharitable nor is it calvinistic.  Maybe you had a different example in mind, but the people who got a jab deserve whatever happens to them.  Catholics can help them but we don't owe them sympathy.  You can sympathize with them if you want, but it's not required.

    Some of this might be the difference between men/women.  Emotions don't determine virtue/vice, but actions and the will.  I can help my enemy; but it doesn't mean I have to like it.  God loves a cheerful giver, but sometimes emotions can't be manufactured (at least, maybe it's more difficult for men?).  Dont' know.

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    « Reply #124 on: June 18, 2025, 03:55:34 PM »
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  • I get your point. I understand your HIV example, but in a way, the innocent baby suffering AIDS by no fault of his own suffers less. He is not weighed down by a guilty conscience and a list of regrets.  Thinking about it this way, the suffering sinner deserves more compassion than the innocent sufferer.  In Heaven, there is greater rejoicing over one sinner who repents than 100 who have no need of repentance.
    Well, this entirely depends on what you mean by "compassion", then. Is the sinner more in need of prayers than the innocent? Sure. But if I had a single miracle AIDS curing pill, the infant would be getting it. 
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


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    « Reply #125 on: June 18, 2025, 04:54:37 PM »
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  • Yes, it's a male-female difference. To me, compassion is akin or inseparable from charity. It’s not primarily an emotion. Maybe we’re talking around and over one another.  
    What you call compassion, I call “feeling sorry.” 
    I wouldn’t “feel sorry” for your foolish neighbor stubbornly insisting upon using an unbalanced ladder. In fact, I’d privately think it a little funny that he broke his leg. Is that poetic justice?  But of course I’d also have compassion on him and render assistance if I were able. Maybe we’d laugh together a few years after the fact!  
    It reminds me of the camping trip to CT with my cousins. I was age ten and cousin Peter was 14. We’d (all seven of us kids) all run from the campsite alongside the brook on a trail. We came to a place with a fallen tree over the brook. The tree had been there quite awhile because the bark was gone and it was clearly rotten in various places. Peter, true to his daredevil, show-off personality, insisted we cross on the tree and return to the campsite by the road. The others all refused. Myself, a bit of a tomboy who liked a challenge, considered it.  I took a cautious step onto the log, and finding it slippery, I sat on it, thinking to cross on my bottom. Two wiggles forward showed in the center where it was rotted, so I backed off. Peter urged me to cross anyway, and I refused. He pushed me aside and took off running across the log. Predictably, it came crashing down in the middle resulting in a wet boy with what turned out to be a broken arm. His brother John got all wet also because he ran down the embankment to rescue him. Fortunately, the water wasn’t deep, so he walked his brother back on the road and the rest of us returned on the trail. We got there first because the boys had to double back via the bridge. My aunt and uncle weren’t new to this sort of thing having four boys to one girl. They got Peter into dry clothes and left everyone in my parents’ charge. More food was rounded up from both station wagons and my aunt and uncle returned from Danbury  with Peter, his left arm in a gleaming white plaster cast. My Dad and Aunt traded beds so Peter and his Mom could sleep in our trailer instead of on the ground or cot in the tent. Nobody in the trailer got any sleep that night, so the remaining three nights the trailer was given to my uncle, aunt, and Peter. My Mom and Dad became the tent parents to the boys,  and we three girls slept in the back of the station wagon with the back seats folded down. 
    At one point, John was punished for calling Peter a “chump,” which meant a clumsy fool. Years later, we laughed about the incident, Peter included. Feel sorry? Not really, not for long! But compassion? Definitely! 

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    « Reply #126 on: June 18, 2025, 04:59:23 PM »
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  • Yes, it's a male-female difference. To me, compassion is akin or inseparable from charity. It’s not primarily an emotion. Maybe we’re talking around and over one another. 
    What you call compassion, I call “feeling sorry.”
    I wouldn’t “feel sorry” for your foolish neighbor stubbornly insisting upon using an unbalanced ladder. In fact, I’d privately think it a little funny that he broke his leg. Is that poetic justice?  But of course I’d also have compassion on him and render assistance if I were able. Maybe we’d laugh together a few years after the fact! 
    It reminds me of the camping trip to CT with my cousins. I was age ten and cousin Peter was 14. We’d (all seven of us kids) all run from the campsite alongside the brook on a trail. We came to a place with a fallen tree over the brook. The tree had been there quite awhile because the bark was gone and it was clearly rotten in various places. Peter, true to his daredevil, show-off personality, insisted we cross on the tree and return to the campsite by the road. The others all refused. Myself, a bit of a tomboy who liked a challenge, considered it.  I took a cautious step onto the log, and finding it slippery, I sat on it, thinking to cross on my bottom. Two wiggles forward showed in the center where it was rotted, so I backed off. Peter urged me to cross anyway, and I refused. He pushed me aside and took off running across the log. Predictably, it came crashing down in the middle resulting in a wet boy with what turned out to be a broken arm. His brother John got all wet also because he ran down the embankment to rescue him. Fortunately, the water wasn’t deep, so he walked his brother back on the road and the rest of us returned on the trail. We got there first because the boys had to double back via the bridge. My aunt and uncle weren’t new to this sort of thing having four boys to one girl. They got Peter into dry clothes and left everyone in my parents’ charge. More food was rounded up from both station wagons and my aunt and uncle returned from Danbury  with Peter, his left arm in a gleaming white plaster cast. My Dad and Aunt traded beds so Peter and his Mom could sleep in our trailer instead of on the ground or cot in the tent. Nobody in the trailer got any sleep that night, so the remaining three nights the trailer was given to my uncle, aunt, and Peter. My Mom and Dad became the tent parents to the boys,  and we three girls slept in the back of the station wagon with the back seats folded down.
    At one point, John was punished for calling Peter a “chump,” which meant a clumsy fool. Years later, we laughed about the incident, Peter included. Feel sorry? Not really, not for long! But compassion? Definitely!
    Ok so you’re calling charity as compassion.  Makes sense now. Agree.  

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    « Reply #127 on: June 18, 2025, 06:14:17 PM »
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  • Apparently he did take the jab (see attached graphic).
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    « Reply #128 on: June 18, 2025, 06:17:37 PM »
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  • It just seems especially cynical to consider us "tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nutters" while coming around here for money all the time.
    He obviously thought that about us 4 years ago when he was getting jabbed. And judging by the fact that he STILL doesn't want to hang around here (when he doesn't need money, that is) there's a good chance he still thinks that way.

    He posts a number for "his priest" and it turns out to be Novus Ordo? So he's not even a Trad? But he's happy to take money from Trads since they're the most devout, serious Catholics. Huh?

    So the man is holding his nose while asking a bunch of "rad trads" for money? Isn't that a bit cynical of him?

    Especially since if he had listened to us he would certainly have *less* health issues, and possibly none at all.

    I would also like to point out that his last 10 posts give away what he REALLY thinks of this forum, at least the majority of it. Some food for thought.
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    « Reply #129 on: June 18, 2025, 06:24:46 PM »
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  • I cannot handle this abuse and now it seems to be coming from the staff also.

    The staff?  Love it!  Got a good chuckle out of that one. :laugh1:
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #130 on: June 18, 2025, 06:24:52 PM »
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  • And for all those giving this discussion a "spiritual bent", talking about charity, compassion, and the like --

    If you make a mistake, or commit a sin, then you confess it and move on. God will forgive you, man might forgive you, and nature certainly will not forgive you.

    But you have to actually be humble/contrite, or else you haven't really repented.

    You need to acknowledge your position as a lousy worm who rejected the truth, and now you learned the hard way. You have to really show that you regret your decision, and that you were stupid. When you destroy your life, or your health, due to your own stupidity, there is only ONE attitude to take, in the face of those who had the truth all along: humility.

    Meanwhile, those who had the truth all along should be gracious about it, refrain from "I told you so", be humble as well, knowing that it's only by God's grace you possessed the truth for so long, etc.

    And hanging around a group of people you want *nothing to do with* except a few times per year when you're in need of money -- that's not cool at all. When you don't need money? They're crazy, extremist, you completely disagree with them. But you happily step in periodically to beg for money? What kind of nonsense is that?

    There are millions of people in this world in need. None of us can save the world. We should save our economic charity for those we know locally, our family members, our extended family, and then those "of the Household of the Faith". And that means *Traditional* Catholics. Novus Ordo Catholics are barely? questionably? technically? Catholic. They are one step above protestant, because they have the name, so they get some benefit of the doubt. But they aren't automatically our fellow Catholics; the average Novus Ordo doesn't even have the Faith anymore. All you need to lose is ONE dogma, and you're a heretic, you don't have the faith period. Having the Faith is like being pregnant. Either you are, or you aren't. Either you accept everything the Holy Catholic Church teaches or you do not.
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    « Reply #131 on: June 18, 2025, 06:43:49 PM »
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  • A lot of bearing false witness going on here.

    I am a traditional Catholic. I never called anyone a crazy extremist. I told someone else that they were making up a crazy conspiracy theory about something completely unrelated to the Covid shot.

    I didn't realize that you were the owner of this forum. I thought you were just a mod. Absolutely solidifies my decision to leave here permanently if you would just hurry up and delete my account. But actually prefer that you start by deleting the name of the priest that you quoted earlier.


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    « Reply #132 on: June 18, 2025, 06:56:26 PM »
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  • A lot of bearing false witness going on here.

    I am a traditional Catholic. I never called anyone a crazy extremist. I told someone else that they were making up a crazy conspiracy theory about something completely unrelated to the Covid shot.

    I didn't realize that you were the owner of this forum. I thought you were just a mod. Absolutely solidifies my decision to leave here permanently if you would just hurry up and delete my account. But actually prefer that you start by deleting the name of the priest that you quoted earlier.
    What is your relation to the Novus Ordo priest whom you referred to as "your priest"?
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    « Reply #133 on: June 18, 2025, 07:39:19 PM »
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  • Detraction is committed when we tell another's real faults; calumny, when the fault we mention is not real, but the invention of our malicious lies.

    http://www.catholictradition.org/Classics/guide37.htm
    At this point you have spent more time defending yourself against this supposed "calumny" than you have expressing gratitude for the donations you received. Take your money and go

    By the way, what is your relation to the Novus Ordo priest whom you referred to as "your priest"?
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    « Reply #134 on: June 18, 2025, 07:43:13 PM »
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  • At this point you have spent more time defending yourself against this supposed "calumny" than you have expressing gratitude for the donations you received. Take your money and go

    By the way, what is your relation to the Novus Ordo priest whom you referred to as "your priest"?
    Actually, I've Sent private thank yous to every single person who donated numerous times and had the traditional latin mass Said for one of the Benefactors.

    As far as your question goes, I'm not revealing any more personal information to this site.