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Panic buying
« on: March 24, 2020, 10:47:02 PM »
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  • How can every single food store consistently sell 20X as much food than normal, for days on end? WHERE IS ALL THAT FOOD GOING? Especially the perishable stuff: meat, frozen food, eggs, milk. Don't say "stomachs" because I'M SURE THEIR STOMACHS WEREN'T EMPTY THREE WEEKS AGO when the stores still had normal amounts of food on the shelves, before all this panic buying started. Were they living off grass in the backyard? It's crazy! I'm glad the stores have all instituted "no return" policies on many items.

    I'll just wait for it all to show up on the "Free" section of Craigslist when hundreds of wives threaten to make their husbands sleep on the couch unless they get rid of those cases of TP in the living room. I have a bit more storage space than average -- I'll make room for it, especially if it's dirt cheap or free.
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    Re: Panic buying
    « Reply #1 on: March 24, 2020, 11:11:00 PM »
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  • At my local corner market last week there were three deliveries of TP and promptly sold out.  Still there is
    still plenty of can goods.
    The three deliveries is highly unusual. I been here for years, there are only one delivery that
    happens on Monday Morning.


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    Re: Panic buying
    « Reply #2 on: March 25, 2020, 12:25:46 AM »
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  • Most grocery stores are only big enough to provide food for a fraction of the residents in the area.  If everyone went to the store at the same time to get a few days of food, it wouldn’t be possible.  The demonization of “panic buying” is (mostly) based on the error that there’s enough food to go around.  The opposite is true.  The fact is, that “just in time” inventory standards (minimize food waste) mixed with “just big enough” grocery store sizes (keep rent and property taxes low) are designed to feed a modern populace who only needs groceries every week or so.  The grocery stores are there to make money not feed everyone.  

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    Re: Panic buying
    « Reply #3 on: March 25, 2020, 12:35:05 AM »
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  • Most grocery stores are only big enough to provide food for a fraction of the residents in the area.  If everyone went to the store at the same time to get a few days of food, it wouldn’t be possible.  The demonization of “panic buying” is (mostly) based on the error that there’s enough food to go around.  The opposite is true.  The fact is, that “just in time” inventory standards (minimize food waste) mixed with “just big enough” grocery store sizes (keep rent and property taxes low) are designed to feed a modern populace who only needs groceries every week or so.  The grocery stores are there to make money not feed everyone.  

    With all due respect, that doesn't explain it. The fact is that Americans get ALL their food from the grocery store. That's why my logical conclusions were:

    A) the stores are bound to "catch up" as everyone has enough food, and the pipeline clears up -- but if everyone normally shops weekly, and everyone decided to shop on the same day that caused the problem -- so after 7-10 days it should all even out, right?

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    B) people are actually eating 20X more, because they were eating grass, twigs and acorns (or the produce from their own gardens and livestock) up till now, and decided to live off food from the grocery store all the sudden.

    There are variations on B), such as a hidden village of savages decided to start eating food from grocery stores instead of living off game in the state parks, etc. but it all comes down to "new consumers".

    Or everyone bought/turned on 1 or 2 freezers in their garage, and these are in the process of filling up the new freezer units with food.
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    Re: Panic buying
    « Reply #4 on: March 25, 2020, 01:29:40 AM »
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  • What I don't get is that the authorities tell us to stay home and avoid going out. How can you avoid regularly going out (i live in Manhattan) if you don't hoard?
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    Re: Panic buying
    « Reply #5 on: March 25, 2020, 02:59:59 AM »
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  • Re your variation on B option, Matthew, a number of savages do descend on our little country towns and buy up, with the shortage, price goes up and they make a black market,  reselling for profit in the cities. My husband said that during and after the war in Italy this was a very common occurrence. It is a fact that savage city slickers are raiding some of the country towns here. 
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    Re: Panic buying
    « Reply #6 on: March 25, 2020, 08:31:49 AM »
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  • Matthew,
    You say there is 20x more food being sold; I say it's due to the 20-30% of meals that used to be "eaten out", but now people are going to the grocery instead.  If every person who lived close to a grocery store went in there (during a 1 week period) and bought milk, eggs, bread, produce, etc in order to eat 3 square meals a day (normal portions, no extra food), the grocery store wouldn't have the capacity.  It would run out in 3 days.  It's not overbuying, it's due to the fact that people aren't eating out at restaurants and fast food and haven't done so for the past decade.  So grocery chains have scaled back their inventories.  Eating out is a LARGE % of how people eat; that's why Federal/State officials have encouraged drive-thrus to stay open.  So when people stop eating out and instead go to the grocery, then the stores can't handle the surge in demand.
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    Sure, there has been panic buying of TP and maybe some other foods but not to the extent reported by the media.  Most of the reason why grocery stores are out of stock is simply because people are eating there due to panic that restaurants/fast food might close.  Grocery stores aren't designed to feed everyone in their area 3 square meals a day. 

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    Re: Panic buying
    « Reply #7 on: March 25, 2020, 09:31:59 AM »
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  • At the grocery store where I work (a Kroger affiliate), there's a limit of three items per product for all products, and only two items per product for popular products such as toilet paper, paper towels, bread, sanitizers, etc. 
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    Re: Panic buying
    « Reply #8 on: March 25, 2020, 10:16:11 AM »
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  • Matthew,
    You say there is 20x more food being sold; I say it's due to the 20-30% of meals that used to be "eaten out", but now people are going to the grocery instead.  If every person who lived close to a grocery store went in there (during a 1 week period) and bought milk, eggs, bread, produce, etc in order to eat 3 square meals a day (normal portions, no extra food), the grocery store wouldn't have the capacity.  It would run out in 3 days.  It's not overbuying, it's due to the fact that people aren't eating out at restaurants and fast food and haven't done so for the past decade.  So grocery chains have scaled back their inventories.  Eating out is a LARGE % of how people eat; that's why Federal/State officials have encouraged drive-thrus to stay open.  So when people stop eating out and instead go to the grocery, then the stores can't handle the surge in demand.
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    Sure, there has been panic buying of TP and maybe some other foods but not to the extent reported by the media.  Most of the reason why grocery stores are out of stock is simply because people are eating there due to panic that restaurants/fast food might close.  Grocery stores aren't designed to feed everyone in their area 3 square meals a day.
    Now this is logic and reason!!
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    Re: Panic buying
    « Reply #9 on: March 25, 2020, 10:19:16 AM »
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  • What I don't get is that the authorities tell us to stay home and avoid going out. How can you avoid regularly going out (i live in Manhattan) if you don't hoard? plan ahead?
    Exactly.   Planning ahead is NOT HORDING.  You are going to use the products while you stay at home. as we are instructed to do.  Also people are possibly buying for others.
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    Re: Panic buying
    « Reply #10 on: March 25, 2020, 10:40:37 AM »
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  • It's not just the media claiming the shelves are empty.

    I've seen it myself. I went to H-E-B at 7:45 PM a few days ago, and it looked like a post-collapse disaster movie. It was absolutely surreal. It was a scene I had seen many times before -- since I've watched many "survival" and "disaster" movies. Never seen it IRL before now.

    It wasn't just bread/milk/eggs/TP. Most canned goods were GONE. Most frozen convenience food was GONE. No Tyson products at all.

    And EVERYTHING is quantity-limited. I tried to buy 6 boxes of cereal for my family of 10 -- sorry, limit of 4. Doesn't matter if you're living alone or have 12 kids.
    Milk is limited to 2. That's a 1.5 day supply for my family! We have to go through the checkout several times.

    In the same town, every restaurant had a long line in the drive-thru.

    It feels like about 100,000 people just moved into the town, and they all need to eat.

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    Re: Panic buying
    « Reply #11 on: March 25, 2020, 10:50:07 AM »
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  • Apparently, 3 weeks ago, 95% of those in my area had refrigerators that LITERALLY looked like a stereotypical bachelor fridge: Open the door, it's mostly empty except for a bottle of ketchup, 5 cans of beer, and a styrofoam takeout container with moldy food in it.

    I knew Americans ate out a lot, but they couldn't have eaten out for literally every meal!

    And how many restaurants have actually closed? A huge % of restaurants are national chains, usually fast-food or at least fast-casual. All the fast-casual joints offer to-go options for those spoiled Americans who can't cook.

    The relative few mom & pop, or "tourist" restaurants (like those on the Riverwalk in San Antonio) that had to close down because to-go wasn't feasible, didn't have a very high capacity and weren't feeding that many people.
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    Re: Panic buying
    « Reply #12 on: March 25, 2020, 11:20:30 AM »
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  • It's not just the media claiming the shelves are empty.

    I've seen it myself. I went to H-E-B at 7:45 PM a few days ago, and it looked like a post-collapse disaster movie. It was absolutely surreal. It was a scene I had seen many times before -- since I've watched many "survival" and "disaster" movies. Never seen it IRL before now.

    It wasn't just bread/milk/eggs/TP. Most canned goods were GONE. Most frozen convenience food was GONE. No Tyson products at all.

    And EVERYTHING is quantity-limited. I tried to buy 6 boxes of cereal for my family of 10 -- sorry, limit of 4. Doesn't matter if you're living alone or have 12 kids.
    Milk is limited to 2. That's a 1.5 day supply for my family! We have to go through the checkout several times.

    In the same town, every restaurant had a long line in the drive-thru.

    It feels like about 100,000 people just moved into the town, and they all need to eat.
    Bring one or two of the older children with you, and they can each buy what you need for your family.
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    Re: Panic buying
    « Reply #13 on: March 25, 2020, 11:23:24 AM »
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  • Some people tell me
    "I have enough for two weeks."
    Others say "We don't know where this unconstitutional takeover will lead", so I suspect that they (who are probably prepared anyway) are preparing longer term.
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    Re: Panic buying
    « Reply #14 on: March 25, 2020, 12:25:58 PM »
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  • And EVERYTHING is quantity-limited. I tried to buy 6 boxes of cereal for my family of 10 -- sorry, limit of 4. Doesn't matter if you're living alone or have 12 kids.
    True and very interesting.  Here we're allowed TWO cans of soup  :fryingpan:

    How is it that a single man is theoretically allowed to buy as much food as a father of 10?  Is that supposed to make sense?
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