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Will the new SSPX Superior General strike an old tone?
« on: July 14, 2018, 06:34:52 AM »
https://akacatholic.com/will-the-new-sspx-superior-general-strike-an-old-tone/

From Louie:

On 11 July 2018, the Priestly Society of St. Pius X (FSSPX) elected a new Superior General – Fr. Davide Pagliarani, until then, the District Superior of Italy.

Based on its public commentary of the past two years or so, it is unfortunately difficult to say what the SSPX considers its greatest challenges in the present day.

I’ve written rather extensively in this space about the mixed and contradictory messages that have been coming from the SSPX in recent years. I won’t repeat those concerns here other than to say that a sincere seeker of truth today may very well come away from their website more confused than ever as to what is, and what is not, consonant tradition.

As of this moment, it seems that the SSPX has lost sight of the grave necessity of having a very clear and consistent public stance on the current state of affairs in the Church; offering bold and unambiguous condemnations of every blasphemy and heresy that comes forth from men in authority who are trusted by many.

Doing so in our day requires, above all, a willingness to address head-on the unprecedented mockery that is being made of the papacy. One thinks back to October of 2013 and Bishop Fellay’s public declaration, which has since faded into a deafening silence, “We have in front of us a genuine Modernist!”

Returning to such clarity and conviction, in my view, is the major task that lies before the SSPX, and only time will tell if the election of a new Superior General will make a difference in this regard.

One thing is certain: To the extent that the SSPX is pleased to operate – as it has appeared of late – under the assumption that it is enough to simply minister to their own, to focus on priestly formation, and to manage their own internal affairs, while taking care not to offend neo-conservative sensibilities, it will ultimately fail to adequately serve the needs of God’s people in the present day.
Writing in the August 2008 issue of Si Si No No, Fr. Pagliarani said of Vatican II:
The very finality of the Council, convoked with the explicit intention not to define truths of faith and not to condemn error (cf. Gaudet Mater Ecclesia), inaugurated a magisterium with a novel method and approach… the Second Vatican Council was convoked not to define dogmas, correct errors, or condemn doctrinal deviations as in the past, but to bond with the modern world. This decision to leave aside any intention of imposing certain truths of faith meant that the Council was intended to abstain from teaching in the objective, traditional, and magisterial sense of the term.

These words were written nearly a decade ago and one wonders:

Does Fr. Pagliarani believe that the Society has a duty to teach in the objective, traditional, and magisterial sense of the term, and if so, does he still believe that this necessarily involves correcting errors and condemning doctrinal deviations, otherwise it will merely be bonding with the modern world?

We shall see. In the meantime, let us pray and fast for the SSPX and for Fr. Pagliarani, as clearly he has a lot of important work to do.

Re: Will the new SSPX Superior General strike an old tone?
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2018, 09:07:51 AM »
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Writing in the August 2008 issue of Si Si No NoFr. Pagliarani said of Vatican II:
The very finality of the Council, convoked with the explicit intention not to define truths of faith and not to condemn error (cf. Gaudet Mater Ecclesia), inaugurated a magisterium with a novel method and approach… the Second Vatican Council was convoked not to define dogmas, correct errors, or condemn doctrinal deviations as in the past, but to bond with the modern world.
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The "explicit intention" alluded to is also found in the Opening Speech of Vatican II, spoken out loud by Pope John XXIII, on October 11th, 1962. Additionally in the same speech, he said, no more shall the Church seek the condemnation of error but rather to apply the "medicine of mercy." Problem with that is, God's mercy is not "medicine!" The Church's role is not to overlook error but to identify it and denounce it publicly.
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And not so explicit but seen by the actions from the start of the same council was the determination not to address the greatest threat to the Church's existence, perhaps in all of history, that is, atheistic Communism. Some 400 plus bishops, including ABL, followed the rules to bring to the floor a discussion of Communism but the controlling liberals somehow "lost" the paperwork.
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These three facts of history ought to be enough to render Vat.II null and void. But that's going to take a very strong Pope or perhaps another Council, such as on that re-convenes Vatican I, which has never been closed, only postponed. Vatican II never mentioned anything about continuing or re-opening Vat.I. It took on an entirely new direction, away from Vat.I.



Re: Will the new SSPX Superior General strike an old tone?
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2018, 11:42:15 AM »

Let's face it. The General Chapter changes are just a distraction.

As planned, the SSPX did their 180 degree flip. 

There is no longer a "Crisis in the Church".

Pagliarani is just a pawn in the game.  End game is newChurch control of Catholic tradition.

Most of us were sucked into the ruse.

Offline Meg

Re: Will the new SSPX Superior General strike an old tone?
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2018, 11:59:08 AM »
It's good that Louie sees that there are problems with the SSPX leadership. But he doesn't see the bigger picture and the problem with Bp. Fellay that goes all the way back to GREC.

Some here believe that the SSPX is toast, and it's like beating on a dead horse to hope for change. However, it's not totally hopeless until the SSPX ACTUALLY reconciles with Rome. Until then, we can still have hope.

Offline jvk

Re: Will the new SSPX Superior General strike an old tone?
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2018, 12:07:47 PM »
But it's so liberal!  Many of the younger generation--the ones raising children now--are more liberal than their parents were.  I don't think it will ever be the same without a major miracle (read Chastisement!).  I know of many SSPX parents my age and younger who allow TV, modern music, modern movies, IPads, their girls to wear pants, etc in their homes.  And they just don't see anything wrong with it.