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Offline cathsurgeon

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Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
« on: April 10, 2024, 08:40:01 AM »
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  • I thought of making this into a poll, but I suppose what I'm really interested to know is where a young man in today's world can go to for uncompromising Catholic formation. Open to any valid SSPX Resistance seminaries and valid (known thuc line) seminaries.

    My nephew can speak French and Portuguese besides English because of school and his mum. Assuming geographical distance is not a problem, and without considering vocations (contemplative etc.), what are some options?

    On top of my head, I can think of
    - Most Holy Trinity Seminary (RCI)
    - Mater Dei Seminary (CMRI)
    - Sedes Sapientia Seminary (+Nkamuke)
    - Sancta Cruz Monastery (Nova Friburgo)
    - Dominicans of Avrille
    - ??Can anyone remind me the place? (+Faure in France)
    - The bamboo seminary (Chazal+)

    My considerations at this point are only: Solid and thorough Catholic education, plentiful resources (e.g. classes won't be cancelled left and right due to lack of teachers) and good spiritual community. Just want the best in terms of education 

    Please advise, dear people of CathInfo! And do give reasons as well
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #2 on: April 10, 2024, 09:38:15 AM »
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #3 on: April 10, 2024, 09:40:22 AM »
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  • My vote is for Most Holy Trinity Seminary. The 2019 syllabus is attached, and I imagine it is still very similar in 2024.
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #4 on: April 10, 2024, 10:22:31 AM »
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  • My vote is for Most Holy Trinity Seminary. The 2019 syllabus is attached, and I imagine it is still very similar in 2024.
    Normally I would include this, but I don't like that the seminarians are required to accept the Cassiciacuм Thesis. 

    My vote would be for Mater Dei Seminary (CMRI).
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #5 on: April 10, 2024, 11:01:55 AM »
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  • I would sent my (future) kids to Bp. Ballini. I think he's the best option in these days.

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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #6 on: April 10, 2024, 11:28:47 AM »
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  • In my experience most people tend to attend seminaries affiliated with the communities where they attend Mass/have grown up/receive the Sacraments. Where is your nephew currently attending Mass? Does he have first hand experience with clergy from any of the above institutions? 

    In any case any reputable seminary would have as a condition for entry a letter of reference from a priest who knows the candidate well over a significant period of time. Typically it’s not a case of applying to multiple different seminaries from multiple different congregations at the same time. 
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #7 on: April 10, 2024, 12:11:25 PM »
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  • In my experience most people tend to attend seminaries affiliated with the communities where they attend Mass/have grown up/receive the Sacraments. Where is your nephew currently attending Mass? Does he have first hand experience with clergy from any of the above institutions?

    In any case any reputable seminary would have as a condition for entry a letter of reference from a priest who knows the candidate well over a significant period of time. Typically it’s not a case of applying to multiple different seminaries from multiple different congregations at the same time.

    Very good point. This isn't like looking for a roofer where you get out the phone book and call 6 roofers, get a few quotes, and then go with the best option.

    We've had many people call/e-mail our chapel here, asking about various sacraments (other than Confession/Communion) so I've dealt with this a lot myself, so I've given the topic a lot of thought.

    And here's my inescapable conclusion: attending a FREE Mass isn't too much to ask, is it? Attending the chapel? (And no, putting money in the collection doesn't count as a "cost" especially since we're talking about Mass here: a Catholic has to attend Mass and support SOME chapel, right?) Why not support a chapel of the group you're looking to get involved with (seeking baptism, confirmation, marriage, seminary training, etc.)

    I mean, if you'd come to Mass ONCE, you could talk to Father all about your intricate needs. And *any* group or priest is going to trust you more if you attend their public Mass, vs. a complete stranger with a phone book in his hand, who can't be bothered to attend a single 1 hour Mass at your chapel. I mean, such a contact could be ANYTHING: a researcher, an enemy, a reporter, an infiltrator, a troll, a prankster, you name it. Taking time to attend their Mass a few times shows a good-faith investment in the priest/chapel/group, and removes most of those "worst case" possibilities from consideration.

    But it's like these people have a phone book mentality. They just want to USE a given congregation (company?) for a service.

    A Traditional Catholic has to attend Mass somewhere, so the least you can do is go to Mass there and warm the pews a few times (gasp!) before digging deep into that Congregation for favors. That's my view on the matter, and one has to consider that a most reasonable position. What am I missing?
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #8 on: April 10, 2024, 12:20:47 PM »
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  • People also treat it like a job. "I'm unemployed, so I'll send resumes to 100 companies and hope to get a job at one of them."

    The priesthood is not a job. The position on the Crisis isn't a non-issue like what goods/services are offered by the company that eventually hires you.

    You know how they advise job seekers to learn about the company you're applying to first, so you seem more interested in that company in particular, so you don't come across as apathetic, merely looking for "a job, any job"? That's good advice for a job seeker. That is REQUIRED I believe for a seminary candidate. That's my point.

    "I just want a paycheck, I don't care who it's from" is NOT how one should treat seminary formation, or even the other Sacraments. You should go somewhere based on your attachment, interest, beliefs, and loyalty to that particular position. They shouldn't all be treated as "one is as good as another". Even if they are all valid for the PUBLIC AT LARGE, that doesn't mean *YOU* shouldn't have an opinion on the matter. You're supposed to CARE, right?

    What do you think about someone who shops around for a religion, but doesn't care which one? Well it's almost as bad to do this with Trad groups. Don't you actually care about the Faith? Haven't you looked into the issues *at all*, so as to form a preference or opinion about how to best deal with the Crisis? Going with a 2nd or 3rd choice, due to geographic availability, is a different matter. At least you ranked them first, based on your fervent concern for the Church and the Faith.


    OR --

    Compare it to looking for a spouse. Imagine being so business-like and transactional about finding a spouse. Imagine sending out 500 letters to various single women (in a database of some sort), telling them, "I'm a healthy single male of marriageable age. I am looking for a lifelong spouse with whom I can father numerous children. Until death do us part. Are you interested?"

    Um...how about SOME kind of personal touch, at least pretend to be interested in the girl you're talking to in particular (rather than just her single status, her ability to bear children, etc?)


    My conclusion: a vocation is MORE like finding a spouse, and LESS like finding a roofer to replace your roof.
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #9 on: April 10, 2024, 12:59:07 PM »
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    Even if YOU didn't care what congregation you studied with (and eventually served as a priest), THEY would care.

    Feeding, housing, and educating a grown man for 6 years is not free. They at LEAST want you to be committed to their position TODAY, even if (they know all too well) people change and anything can happen in the future.

    That's why they are REASONABLE in requiring some kind of letter of reference. They want to know they're not wasting THEIR time (and limited benefactors money) training you. Nor do they want INVITE trouble, having an known Indult seminarian come in to their Sedevacantist seminary and try to convert people, etc. Again, the seminary superiors aren't perfect and don't know everything about each student: but you MUST expect them to at least do their due diligence.

    A small Trad group isn't able to train priests for the whole world. They barely have the resources to form priests for their own little group. That is reasonable.
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #10 on: April 10, 2024, 01:00:57 PM »
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  • The position on the Crisis isn't a non-issue like what goods/services are offered by the company that eventually hires you.
    Finally someone said it, thanks. It's incredible the attitude of some people... If the don't stop being indifferent towards the Truth they will lose their souls, especially priests and wannabe seminarians who will decide whether dogmatic non-una cuм and sedeprivationism are true only after they hear what Sanborn can offer them.  


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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #11 on: April 10, 2024, 01:04:12 PM »
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  • I think the issue is this: for a layman, you can "shop around" for the best lifeboat/chapel, and possibly save your soul with several different options.

    But for a PRIEST, you have to care about the Faith. YOU have to *pick* a position and preach it. You can be open to correction, you can stay within the bounds of Catholic truth and morality, and you can refrain from falsely accusing/attacking those of other positions/groups. You can also strive to get along with as many fellow priests as possible, including from other groups. But you have to have a position. You have to care.

    How can a priest study the Crisis in the Church, theology, liturgy, etc. for 6 years and not end up with an opinion on how best to deal with the Crisis in the Church?

    As a leader, a teacher, and a spiritual father, you HAVE to have a position you believe is best, as the basis for your apostolate.
    A CHAPEL also has to have a position; it can't be a free for all, otherwise there would be chaos within the chapel. Someone has to decide what Missale will be used. Someone has to decide when Holy Saturday services will be held (Pre-1955 or the revised Holy Week). You can't have both or all of the above.

    So while both sedevacantism and non-sedevacantism are valid positions, that doesn't mean a priest or chapel doesn't have to PICK ONE.
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #12 on: April 10, 2024, 10:36:44 PM »
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  • Send him to Padre Chazal's seminary at Hearts of Jesus & Mary Seminary in Cebu City of MCSPX. It's a great option because he can learn to become a missionary priest there and live a humble life as a simple, poor priest in the future.
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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #13 on: April 10, 2024, 10:43:53 PM »
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  • Normally I would include this, but I don't like that the seminarians are required to accept the Cassiciacuм Thesis. 

    My vote would be for Mater Dei Seminary (CMRI).

    They’re actually not strictly required to accept CT … though CT makes by far the most sense anyway.

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    Re: Where would you send your nephew to Seminary?
    « Reply #14 on: April 10, 2024, 10:45:50 PM »
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  • Your choices should be narrowed down by your nephew’s view of the crisis.  If he’s SV or leans that way, he wouldn’t really fit in with the Resistance options.  If he’s not SV, he would not fit in with the SV options.