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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: What is SSPX Resistance?
« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2023, 12:52:51 PM »
Quote from: Incredulous on April 16, 2023, 12:40:22 PM
Kaz,
Suggest you continue to stay kneeling,
but when it's time to genuflect for those who mocked Our Lord with genuflections, just put do a facepalm :facepalm: 
The meaning will be the same as if you didn't genuflect.

:laugh1:

It was the Romans, not the Jews, who mocked Our Lord with genuflections.
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Online Incredulous

Re: What is SSPX Resistance?
« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2023, 01:19:08 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 16, 2023, 12:52:51 PM
It was the Romans, not the Jєωs, who mocked Our Lord with genuflections.
Approved Catholic mystics state it was the slaves of the jews, (the agents of the jews), who mocked Our Lord with genuflections.

In your liturgical interpretation, genuflecting for the conversion of the Roman Heathens should be banned by the Church because, as you say, it was they who mocked Our Lord with genuflections.
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Offline Matthew

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Re: What is SSPX Resistance?
« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2023, 01:27:45 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 16, 2023, 12:52:51 PM
It was the Romans, not the Jєωs, who mocked Our Lord with genuflections.


During which particular moment of Our Lord's passion? Didn't St. John say that the Gospels were *not* a full record of Our Lord's sayings and actions? What if there were some other event, perhaps part of Tradition rather than Scripture?

Were the Jєωs content to stay at home while Jesus was taken to Herod's Court and mocked there? Or did some of them tag along? When Jesus was condemned to death by the kangaroo court of the Sanhedrin, when they immediately began to strike him (Scripture says they mocked him and said "prophesy, who is it that struck thee?"), did some Jєωs perhaps throw in a few mock genuflections?

Or, during countless minutes along the Via Dolorosa on the way to Calvary, did some Jєωs mock genuflect as the King passed by?

Too many unanswered questions.

Long story short, I'm taking the Church's word for it, that the Jews mocked Our Lord with genuflections on this day, and so we shouldn't genuflect during the prayer for them on Good Friday.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: What is SSPX Resistance?
« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2023, 02:39:04 PM »
Quote from: Matthew on April 16, 2023, 01:27:45 PM

During which particular moment of Our Lord's passion? Didn't St. John say that the Gospels were *not* a full record of Our Lord's sayings and actions? What if there were some other event, perhaps part of Tradition rather than Scripture?

Were the Jєωs content to stay at home while Jesus was taken to Herod's Court and mocked there? Or did some of them tag along? When Jesus was condemned to death by the kangaroo court of the Sanhedrin, when they immediately began to strike him (Scripture says they mocked him and said "prophesy, who is it that struck thee?"), did some Jєωs perhaps throw in a few mock genuflections?

Or, during countless minutes along the Via Dolorosa on the way to Calvary, did some Jєωs mock genuflect as the King passed by?

Too many unanswered questions.

Long story short, I'm taking the Church's word for it, that the Jєωs mocked Our Lord with genuflections on this day, and so we shouldn't genuflect during the prayer for them on Good Friday.

Sorry, but this is what the Church teaches:

Matt 27: 27-34:

27 Then the soldiers of the governor taking Jesus into the hall, gathered together unto him the whole band; 28 And stripping him, they put a scarlet cloak about him. 29 And platting a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand. And bowing the knee before him, they mocked him, saying: Hail, king of the Jєωs. 30 And spitting upon him, they took the reed, and struck his head.

That’s Romans, not Jєωs.

There is no record anywhere in revelation of Jєωs mocking Jesus with genuflection, and consequently the Church hasn’t/couldn’t teach such a thing.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: What is SSPX Resistance?
« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2023, 03:00:41 PM »
Even +Sanborn gets it wrong, when he writes:

“The reason is that the Church considered it inappropriate to use, at this point in which reference is made to the infidelity of the Jєωs, the same gesture — the genuflection — as the Jєωιѕн soldiers did to mock Jesus.”
http://www.traditionalmass.org/images/articles/GenJєωs.pdf  (See p.1)

But as is clear from my preceding post, the soldiers are Roman, not Jєωιѕн:

Matt 27:27-
“Then the soldiers of the governor taking Jesus…”

Obviously, the soldiers “of the governor”  were Roman, not Jєωιѕн.
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