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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: Vigano vs Strickland
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2023, 05:21:42 AM »
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    • Thanks for highlighting my refutation of Meg’s false position, Stubborn!  There’s no way Strickland is a trad (and his use of the Masonic “Amen” is deeply concerning).  Pure Rosicrucian Opus Deism!

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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #16 on: November 13, 2023, 06:24:00 AM »
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    • Meg said:


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    Strickland has never said that he is a traditionalist, and it is obvious that he isn't a traditionalist. 


    Do you agree or disagree with this statement?  Yes or no.
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #17 on: November 13, 2023, 06:52:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 13, 2023, 05:21:42 AM
    Thanks for highlighting my refutation of Meg’s false position, Stubborn!  There’s no way Strickland is a trad (and his use of the Masonic “Amen” is deeply concerning).  Pure Rosicrucian Opus Deism!

    In fairness to Meg, she never said that he was a trad.
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #18 on: November 13, 2023, 06:54:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 12, 2023, 12:28:48 PM
    It is THEY who are the controlled opposition.  Vigano, on the other hand, is cut from a different cloth.

    I'm not sure these other conservative Conciliars are controlled opposition.  In my mind, the leading candidate for such a role is Athanasius Schneider.  He'll go most of the way there, and then gate-keep.  He promotes Traditional things but then asserts that V2 could be fixed with one or two slight corrections.  It was that position against which +Vigano famously came out on June 9, 2020 as a full Traditionalist.  Recently, Schneider issued a paper promoting an opinion that has not been held by anyone since St. Robert Bellarmine refuted it, namely, that there's no way for a heretical pope to be removed either by God or ministerially by the Church.  Seems to be protecting Bergoglio while promoting various Traditional Catholic principles.
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #19 on: November 13, 2023, 06:57:35 AM »
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    • While +Strickland is no Trad, he did take a significant step in the right direction, using language similar to +Lefebvre's in the early days, where he said that those who defend Tradition and the deposit of faith are not the schismatics, but rather those who undermine it.  Now that he's been cancelled by Jorge, my hope is that he gets in touch with +Vigano and may be influenced in the right direction.
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #20 on: November 13, 2023, 06:58:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: Barry on November 13, 2023, 06:24:00 AM
    Meg said:



    Do you agree or disagree with this statement?  Yes or no.

    This is a highly emotional statement designed to cover legitimate concerns regarding Strickland, which Meg would prefer we overlooked, to pass him off as a traditionalist.

    PS: I hope my exposure of Strickland will not result in my demise.  If anything should happen to me, look there first!
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #21 on: November 13, 2023, 06:59:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on November 13, 2023, 06:52:04 AM
    In fairness to Meg, she never said that he was a trad.

    I agree Meg should not be passing Strickland off as a trad!
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #22 on: November 13, 2023, 07:03:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on November 13, 2023, 06:52:04 AM
    In fairness to Meg, she never said that he was a trad.
    Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 13, 2023, 06:59:25 AM
    I agree Meg should not be passing Strickland off as a trad!
    This does not compute. What am I missing?
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #23 on: November 13, 2023, 08:01:12 AM »
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    • All, is there anyone here who disagrees with this statement of Meg's (regardless of any other statements)?


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    Strickland has never said that he is a traditionalist, and it is obvious that he isn't a traditionalist. 

    Are we all in agreement that this statement is true (even if we don't agree on other things)?
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #24 on: November 13, 2023, 08:06:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: Barry on November 13, 2023, 08:01:12 AM
    All, is there anyone here who disagrees with this statement of Meg's (regardless of any other statements)?


    Are we all in agreement that this statement is true (even if we don't agree on other things)?
    I want to say we all agree except Sean who is trying to pass Strickland off as a trad lol
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #25 on: November 13, 2023, 08:06:43 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on November 13, 2023, 07:03:40 AM
    This does not compute. What am I missing?

    You are missing that which Meg understand way back in her 2nd response:

    This is a trolling exercise, designed to help Meg (and Miser) experience the frustration they cause others with regard to Vigano, by tirelessly repeating the same refuted arguments over and over, as though they hadn’t been addressed at all.

    I thought that was pretty obvious, but apparently not.
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #26 on: November 13, 2023, 09:05:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 13, 2023, 08:06:43 AM
    I thought that was pretty obvious, but apparently not.

    I saw what you were doing right out of the gate.
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #27 on: November 13, 2023, 09:38:21 AM »
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    • “So mote it be”is Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ jargon.

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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #28 on: November 13, 2023, 09:44:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 13, 2023, 08:06:43 AM

    I thought that was pretty obvious, but apparently not.

    It was to me.
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    Re: Vigano vs Strickland
    « Reply #29 on: November 13, 2023, 09:44:34 AM »
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