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Offline SeanJohnson

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Is +Vigano Emboldening +Schneider?
« on: June 18, 2022, 11:15:40 AM »
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    • Here’s +Schneider on +Lefebvre:

    https://gloria.tv/post/9REYZXXnrqfM1b4u2HxfHFhsu 

    “Lefebvre showed great heroism. He was ready to lose everything in this life, all recognition & status, respect & good reputation in the Church. He even accepted the fact that he was considered a rebel, a schismatic. And he did it in order to continue to transmit the uncontaminated, complete Catholic truth, to preserve the Mass in all its Catholic richness. To that end, he resigned himself to becoming like a leper in the eyes of the world & the Church authorities. Other bishops condemned him, Rome turned away from him. I believe that in the future, he will also be raised to the honor of the altars. He gave up everything for Christ, everything, in human terms, just to transmit the Catholic faith and the liturgy of the Mass intact. This is a beautiful model for our times."
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Is +Vigano Emboldening +Schneider?
    « Reply #1 on: June 18, 2022, 12:19:24 PM »
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    • Interesting development here.  It's one thing to say that what +Lefebvre did was justified or understandable, and quite another to assert that he'll be canonized one day and exhibited heroic virtue.
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    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: Is +Vigano Emboldening +Schneider?
    « Reply #2 on: June 18, 2022, 12:59:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 18, 2022, 12:19:24 PM
    Interesting development here.  It's one thing to say that what +Lefebvre did was justified or understandable, and quite another to assert that he'll be canonized one day and exhibited heroic virtue.

    Also interesting: Which virtues did he demonstrate heroically?

    1) Faith
    2) Fortitude
    3) Prudence

    And especially

    4) Charity

    One regret I have is that because Lefebvre was necessarily so focused on the apostolate, he never had the opportunity to write deep theological works (despite double doctorates).

    All his energies were pastoral: His books were meant for common trads; so were his priests, his Society, his worldwide travels and conferences, etc.

    I guess that’s what God wanted from him in the post-conciliar era.

    He’s what we needed to keep the faith alive at the practical and concrete level.

    His vocation wasn’t the same as Cajetan’s or St. Thomas Aquinas’s, so he won’t be a Doctor.

    But like +Schneider implies, he will definitely be a Bishop Confessor (and white martyr), and possibly the greatest since Bellarmine or even Athanasius, and considering that he stood nearly alone, possibly the greatest since St. Paul.

    It’s encouraging to observe that, about the same time as the 2018 SSPX General Chapter was reinforcing their 2012 sellout, God gave us Vigano (2018 was when he blew the whistle on McCarrick/Francis).
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    Re: Is +Vigano Emboldening +Schneider?
    « Reply #3 on: June 18, 2022, 02:31:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 18, 2022, 12:59:32 PM
    One regret I have is that because Lefebvre was necessarily so focused on the apostolate, he never had the opportunity to write deep theological works (despite double doctorates).

    All his energies were pastoral: His books were meant for common trads; so were his priests, his Society, his worldwide travels and conferences, etc.

    Perhaps.  We had tons of people writing about the Crisis, but only +Lefebvre making a practical difference by making the Traditional Mass and Sacraments readily available across most of the world.  Tridentine Mass is by far the most eloquent teacher of the faith (and also led +Vigano back to the Traditional faith) and making the Mass available has taught more to the remnant faithful than any number of books could have.

    That, ironically, is the criticism made against +Vigano, that he just writes but doesn't DO anything.  But the doing has already been done, and I doubt he could contribute more.  What's he going to do, start seminaries, ordain priests?  Wait ... that's already being done all over the world thanks to +Lefebvre (and also Archbishop Thuc).  +Vigano's writings are having a huge impact, helping to wake up many conservative Novus Ordites who may have been too timid to call out Vatican II and the NOM and ever engaging in their futile hermeneutic of continuity.  And, as you suggested, he may also have influenced +Scheneider.
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    Re: Is +Vigano Emboldening +Schneider?
    « Reply #4 on: June 18, 2022, 06:13:56 PM »
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    • Sorry, +Schneider still fully supports V2, the new mass and all things new-rome.  He's as "fake-conservative" as you can get.  He's just talking nice about +ABL to keep the new-sspx's ego inflated and on the path to "regularization" to "save the church".  
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    Re: Is +Vigano Emboldening +Schneider?
    « Reply #5 on: June 18, 2022, 06:24:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 18, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
    Sorry, +Schneider still fully supports V2, the new mass and all things new-rome.  He's as "fake-conservative" as you can get.  He's just talking nice about +ABL to keep the new-sspx's ego inflated and on the path to "regularization" to "save the church". 

    No doubt about it, Pax.

    I’m just not sure Schneider says what he just said two years ago.

    ”A rising tide raises all boats,” as the saying goes.

    The spectacle of a prelate saying what Vigano is saying is making everyone else more confident, courageous, and causing many to rethink their old hermeneutic explanation.
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