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Re: +Vigano Epiphany Sermon
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2023, 09:59:31 AM »
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  • It is quite strange that +Vigano would use the words...."the unconquered sun," to describe Our Lord. I tried to find (google search) any traditional Catholic use of this, and came up with nothing. But maybe someone else can come up with a verifiable Catholic interpretation.

    In the link you posted, +Vigano said this..."We must see in the sun, the unconquered sun, Our lord Jesus Christ, center of the cosmos created by him."

    For those who are interested, this quote of +Vigano is located in the 10th paragraph down in the article. The quote is associated with the miracle of the sun at Fatima:

     Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast - page 1 - Fighting Errors in the Modern World - Catholic Info (cathinfo.com)

    I bet Fatima is an Opus Dei Chabad Judei pretzel Kabbalah Zionist тαℓмυdic rabbinical NWO schlomo kosher pickle communist Putini disinformation campaign…(let me take a drink of water…) run by gnostic ʝʊdɛօ Masonic αѕнкenαzι goat herding trilateral infiltrating shyster Sun-worshiping Shylocks.

    :facepalm:
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    Re: +Vigano Epiphany Sermon
    « Reply #31 on: January 12, 2023, 10:39:45 AM »
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  • Christ as Sol Invictus Mosaic at the Vatican --


    Here's a bit of a commentary about it --
    https://www.ethikapolitika.org/2017/04/17/christ-sol-invictus-way-christian-epistemological-crisis

    During Vigil Masses, the rising sun was always looked up on by early Christians as a symbol of Our Lord, and the rising sun the Light of Christ enlightening the world.


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    Re: +Vigano Epiphany Sermon
    « Reply #32 on: January 12, 2023, 11:45:54 AM »
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  • Freebird? Lynyrd Skynyrd epiphany and the three wise men? A question of substance et per aliam viam.

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    Re: +Vigano Epiphany Sermon
    « Reply #33 on: January 12, 2023, 11:52:17 AM »
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  • Christ as Sol Invictus Mosaic at the Vatican --


    Here's a bit of a commentary about it --
    https://www.ethikapolitika.org/2017/04/17/christ-sol-invictus-way-christian-epistemological-crisis

    During Vigil Masses, the rising sun was always looked up on by early Christians as a symbol of Our Lord, and the rising sun the Light of Christ enlightening the world.


    Thanks, Ladislaus. That does help to put it into perspective. Though it doesn't explain why a Catholic bishop would be referring to it many, many centuries later.
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: +Vigano Epiphany Sermon
    « Reply #34 on: January 12, 2023, 11:54:43 AM »
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  • Nancy Peℓσѕι, Chuck Schumer, Bill Gates, Biden and hαɾɾιs ticket, and Dr. Fauci can't change. Trump can't really change either ... Steve Bannon's going to change?

    Between Bannon and Vigano, what's going to change? Sol Invictus?




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    Re: +Vigano Epiphany Sermon
    « Reply #35 on: January 12, 2023, 12:00:32 PM »
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    Re: +Vigano Epiphany Sermon
    « Reply #36 on: January 12, 2023, 12:08:40 PM »
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  • Interesting.  Has Vigano always signed his writings this way? Is this relatively new for him?  I don't think anyone pointed this out before this.
    OK, so stick with me folks.  I have my tin foil hat firmly planted. 

    I did a little research/investigating into prior writings by Vigano.  He used this ending as of 12/17, but I do not see it prior to that.  You might also recall that he was silent for weeks until that communique.

    Coincidence? Maybe someone can double check my findings, but this seems very strange to me.

    Remember this thread:

    Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately? - page 1 - SSPX Resistance News - Catholic Info (cathinfo.com)


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    Re: +Vigano Epiphany Sermon
    « Reply #37 on: January 12, 2023, 12:12:36 PM »
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  • Just because guests can't check out of the Hotel California, and Freebird can't change, doesn't mean they can't keep going around in circles.


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    Re: +Vigano Epiphany Sermon
    « Reply #38 on: January 12, 2023, 03:39:03 PM »
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  • +Vigano said this..."We must see in the sun, the unconquered sun, Our lord Jesus Christ, center of the cosmos created by him."
    I found this:

    The Festival of the Unconquered Sun
    Fr. Thomas Ryan, CSP

    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,and the Word was God… In him was life, and the life was the light of all people. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overcome it.” (John 1:1,4,5)

    That theme of light in the darkness is at the heart not only of the feast of the nativity of Jesus–but of the determination of the date as well. The primitive church seems to have had little interest in the date or circuмstances of Jesus’ birth. The community’s expectation of an immediate consummation of history and a final coming of Christ took priority.
    They celebrated the mystery of Christ’s resurrection weekly in their Eucharistic gathering and annually in the Triduum or Three Great Days of Holy Week. But eventually, the church’s desire to live out liturgically the entire Christ mystery led to the Nativity festival.

    We do not know the actual date of Christ’s birth. It was not recorded in the gospels, nor is there any early tradition to identify it. The earliest record is of a Nativity festival in Rome in 336. Why did they chose December 25 as the date?  Theories are based on three tendencies of the early Christians: a respect for symbolism; a tendency to borrow from the world around them, both natural and cultural; and a desire to offset the influence of pagan festivals.

    There was at the time a pagan sun cult—Mithraism—popular in the Roman Empire. Devotees of Mithra, a Persian deity, celebrated the birthday of their sun god with a festival called Solus Invicti (Latin: the unconquered sun) at the winter solstice. The cult of the sun god, proclaimed as the principal divine patron of the Roman Empire by Emperor Aurelian in 274, became a threat to Christianity.

    One theory is that the natural symbolism of the sun overcoming the darkness was not lost upon the Christians. The gospel of John speaks of Jesus as a light for all people, “a light that shines in the darkness and the darkness did not overcome it.”

    Christians in the northern hemisphere could not help but note that each year, beginning with the fall equinox, the darkness began to grow as the nights lengthened and the days shortened. But at the winter solstice, the light of day began once again to conquer the darkness of night.

    In the calendar in use at the time, the Julian calendar, the winter solstice occurred on December 25. The adoption  of this day for the birthday of Jesus would have challenged people to turn from the adoration of the material sun to the adoration of the “sun of justice,” Christ the Lord, the light of all nations.  And thus did December 25 become the popular date for Christmas.
    It was never intended to be the literal memorial anniversary of a historical event, but rather a liturgical observance of a saving event.When the emperor Constantine himself became Christian, his Edict of Milan in 313 provided protection and support for the church community which already had in place its Nativity date of December 25. The rest, as they say, is history.
    If there is any time of the year that we might call a time of lights, it is surely now. Lights on shrubs, trees, railings and houses cause us to “oohh” and “aahh” and warm our hearts. If seen aright, they are but faint reminders of the divine person who came into the darkness of our world to dwell among us as one of us.

    As the evangelist John writes, “In him was life” and “from his fullness we have all received.”  Through him, we become children of God. Through this birth we ourselves are rebirthed into divine life itself. Through the light of the Word made flesh, God is present to us in a whole new way.
    That is the meaning behind all the lights and the gifts and the gatherings. Celebrate it with a joyful heart!

    https://catholicexchange.com/the-festival-of-the-unconquered-sun/
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    Re: +Vigano Epiphany Sermon
    « Reply #39 on: January 12, 2023, 04:02:12 PM »
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  • Accidentaly, in a weird YouTube nutshell, does this capture a little the Herodian ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic atmosphere in contrast to Epiphany?


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    Re: +Vigano Epiphany Sermon
    « Reply #40 on: January 12, 2023, 08:18:37 PM »
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  • OK, so stick with me folks.  I have my tin foil hat firmly planted. 

    I did a little research/investigating into prior writings by Vigano.  He used this ending as of 12/17, but I do not see it prior to that.  You might also recall that he was silent for weeks until that communique.

    Coincidence? Maybe someone can double check my findings, but this seems very strange to me.

    Remember this thread:

    Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately? - page 1 - SSPX Resistance News - Catholic Info (cathinfo.com)
    Anyone else check this out?  I'm really wondering whether the OP was actually written by him (as well as anything after 11/22).


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    Re: +Vigano Epiphany Sermon
    « Reply #41 on: January 12, 2023, 08:29:34 PM »
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  • I bet Fatima is an Opus Dei Chabad Judei pretzel Kabbalah Zionist тαℓмυdic rabbinical NWO schlomo kosher pickle communist Putini disinformation campaign…(let me take a drink of water…) run by gnostic ʝʊdɛօ Masonic αѕнкenαzι goat herding trilateral infiltrating shyster Sun-worshiping Shylocks.

    :facepalm:


    Take a breath, Dude.  relax

    It's like Mexican food---same ingredients just a different presentation.

    There is only one conspiracy.

    Bring the whole world into a One World Religion under Lucifer.
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: +Vigano Epiphany Sermon
    « Reply #42 on: January 12, 2023, 08:40:05 PM »
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  • I found this:

    The Festival of the Unconquered Sun
    Fr. Thomas Ryan, CSP

    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,and the Word was God… In him was life, and the life was the light of all people. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overcome it.” (John 1:1,4,5)

    That theme of light in the darkness is at the heart not only of the feast of the nativity of Jesus–but of the determination of the date as well. The primitive church seems to have had little interest in the date or circuмstances of Jesus’ birth. The community’s expectation of an immediate consummation of history and a final coming of Christ took priority.
    They celebrated the mystery of Christ’s resurrection weekly in their Eucharistic gathering and annually in the Triduum or Three Great Days of Holy Week. But eventually, the church’s desire to live out liturgically the entire Christ mystery led to the Nativity festival.

    We do not know the actual date of Christ’s birth. It was not recorded in the gospels, nor is there any early tradition to identify it. The earliest record is of a Nativity festival in Rome in 336. Why did they chose December 25 as the date?  Theories are based on three tendencies of the early Christians: a respect for symbolism; a tendency to borrow from the world around them, both natural and cultural; and a desire to offset the influence of pagan festivals.

    There was at the time a pagan sun cult—Mithraism—popular in the Roman Empire. Devotees of Mithra, a Persian deity, celebrated the birthday of their sun god with a festival called Solus Invicti (Latin: the unconquered sun) at the winter solstice. The cult of the sun god, proclaimed as the principal divine patron of the Roman Empire by Emperor Aurelian in 274, became a threat to Christianity.

    One theory is that the natural symbolism of the sun overcoming the darkness was not lost upon the Christians. The gospel of John speaks of Jesus as a light for all people, “a light that shines in the darkness and the darkness did not overcome it.”

    Christians in the northern hemisphere could not help but note that each year, beginning with the fall equinox, the darkness began to grow as the nights lengthened and the days shortened. But at the winter solstice, the light of day began once again to conquer the darkness of night.

    In the calendar in use at the time, the Julian calendar, the winter solstice occurred on December 25. The adoption  of this day for the birthday of Jesus would have challenged people to turn from the adoration of the material sun to the adoration of the “sun of justice,” Christ the Lord, the light of all nations.  And thus did December 25 become the popular date for Christmas.
    It was never intended to be the literal memorial anniversary of a historical event, but rather a liturgical observance of a saving event.When the emperor Constantine himself became Christian, his Edict of Milan in 313 provided protection and support for the church community which already had in place its Nativity date of December 25. The rest, as they say, is history.
    If there is any time of the year that we might call a time of lights, it is surely now. Lights on shrubs, trees, railings and houses cause us to “oohh” and “aahh” and warm our hearts. If seen aright, they are but faint reminders of the divine person who came into the darkness of our world to dwell among us as one of us.

    As the evangelist John writes, “In him was life” and “from his fullness we have all received.”  Through him, we become children of God. Through this birth we ourselves are rebirthed into divine life itself. Through the light of the Word made flesh, God is present to us in a whole new way.
    That is the meaning behind all the lights and the gifts and the gatherings. Celebrate it with a joyful heart!

    https://catholicexchange.com/the-festival-of-the-unconquered-sun/

    Unfortuntely not the best representation of Traditional Catholicism:


    EcuмENISM AND INTERFAITH RELATIONS


    Fr. Tom Ryan, C.S.P.
    Paulist Fr. Tom Ryan is director emeritus the Paulist Office for Ecuмenical and Interfaith Relations.
    He lives at the Paulist Center in Boston.
    Fr. Ryan made his first promises to the Paulist community on August 26, 1972, and was ordained a priest on May 17, 1975.
    He weds his passion for Christian unity and interreligious understanding with his deep interest in the spiritual life by leading retreats, preaching missions, and writing books and articles.
    Learn more about Fr. Tom at his website.

    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: +Vigano Epiphany Sermon
    « Reply #43 on: January 12, 2023, 08:51:07 PM »
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  • Christ as Sol Invictus Mosaic at the Vatican --


    Here's a bit of a commentary about it --
    https://www.ethikapolitika.org/2017/04/17/christ-sol-invictus-way-christian-epistemological-crisis

    During Vigil Masses, the rising sun was always looked up on by early Christians as a symbol of Our Lord, and the rising sun the Light of Christ enlightening the world.


    I think I pointed this out in the other thread, but there are only two depictions of the Sol Invictus that "some" claim are Our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Yet even those are disputed:

    This interpretation is doubted by others: "Only the cross-shaped nimbus makes the Christian significance apparent",[56] and the figure is seen by some simply as a representation of the Sun with no explicit religious reference whatever, pagan or Christian.[57][13]: 567–578 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus

    Basically, it appears that there is a mausoleum under St Peter's where there is both a depiction of the Good Shepherd Jesus and the Sol Invictus.   That doesn't mean that the Sol Invictus is Jesus.  Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior replaced this false god of heliocentric sun worship.











    Where are the Catholic Churches named for the Sol Invictus?

    Where is the Sol Invictus named in Catholic litanies to Our Lord?

    Where is the Catholic Tradition throughout the ages of invoking Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ as the Sol Invictus?

    It doesn't exist.

    What has remained of the cult of worship of the Sol Invictus is heliocentrism, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, satanism, Luciferianism and Rosicrucianism.


    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: +Vigano Epiphany Sermon
    « Reply #44 on: January 12, 2023, 08:55:35 PM »
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  • The Sol Invictus is known by many names:

    Zeus
    Appollo
    Mithras
    Helios


    He was the model for the Statue of Liberty which was created by a Freemason and symbolizes FREEDOM from God


    https://therovingypsy.com/2022/03/05/a-monument-to-freedom-the-statue-of-liberty/
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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