Author Topic: USA Hispanics from the SSPX (Read 24895 times)

s2srea · « **Reply #15 on:** January 17, 2012, 08:54:51 PM »

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There is No Such Thing as 'racism'.

There's No Such Thing as 'roscoe'.

nadieimportante · « **Reply #16 on:** January 17, 2012, 08:55:37 PM »

Quote from: s2srea

Fr. Hawker (of the Arcadia Priory) set up a once-a-month Spanish sermon to meet the needs of the Mexican and other Latino Catholics in the Colton, CA chapel (St. Joseph and IHM Chapel). During his sermon, a large majority of the (anglos) 'influential' families got up and left in disgust. This is why my family left our local SSPX chapels.

"A once a month sermon", That's it? And "a large majority" left in disgust?

That's not Catholic." Those people that walked out have not God's grace. What lack of fortitude, for I'm sure that the majority of those that walked out were just following one or two leaders (instigators).

Hey, if a sermon is lame, we all will tend to think of other things, though I try to keep it Catholic, maybe meditating about a passage in the gospel or in any other writing in the missal, or meditating on my own needs before God. What's the big deal about not listening/ tuning out a sermon in say Vietnamese once a month?

Those people who walked out are not Catholic.

s2srea · « **Reply #17 on:** January 17, 2012, 08:56:49 PM »

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Quote from: s2srea
Fr. Hawker (of the Arcadia Priory) set up a once-a-month Spanish sermon to meet the needs of the Mexican and other Latino Catholics in the Colton, CA chapel (St. Joseph and IHM Chapel). During his sermon, a large majority of the (anglos) 'influential' families got up and left in disgust. This is why my family left our local SSPX chapels.

"A once a month sermon", That's it? And "a large majority" left in disgust?

That's not Catholic." Those people that walked out have not God's grace. What lack of fortitude, for I'm sure that the majority of those that walked out were just following one or two leaders (instigators).

Hey, if a sermon is lame, we all will tend to think of other things, though I try to keep it Catholic, maybe meditating about a passage in the gospel or in any other writing in the missal, or meditating on my own needs before God. What's the big deal about not listening/ tuning out a sermon in say Vietnamese once a month?

Those people who walked out are not Catholic.

Ii'm still in disbelief that it even happened Nadie!!!

nadieimportante · « **Reply #18 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:04:34 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Of course in crime statistics mestizos are counted as whites.

Are you sure about this? I would have thought everyone "South of the Border', even Brazilians, would be classified in the USA as "Hispanics".

Telesphorus · « **Reply #19 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:07:39 PM »

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Of course in crime statistics mestizos are counted as whites.

Are you sure about this? I would have thought everyone "South of the Border', even Brazilians, would be classified in the USA as "Hispanics".

Since there is no Hispanic category in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports and approximately 93 percent of Hispanics identify themselves, or are identified by law enforcement officers, as white, most arrests of Hispanics are added to white violent crime rates.

http://www.futurity.org/society-culture/skewed-stats-distort-black-crime-reports/

nadieimportante · « **Reply #20 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:12:29 PM »

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Quote from: s2srea
Fr. Hawker (of the Arcadia Priory) set up a once-a-month Spanish sermon to meet the needs of the Mexican and other Latino Catholics in the Colton, CA chapel (St. Joseph and IHM Chapel). During his sermon, a large majority of the (anglos) 'influential' families got up and left in disgust. This is why my family left our local SSPX chapels.

"A once a month sermon", That's it? And "a large majority" left in disgust?

That's not Catholic." Those people that walked out have not God's grace. What lack of fortitude, for I'm sure that the majority of those that walked out were just following one or two leaders (instigators).

Hey, if a sermon is lame, we all will tend to think of other things, though I try to keep it Catholic, maybe meditating about a passage in the gospel or in any other writing in the missal, or meditating on my own needs before God. What's the big deal about not listening/ tuning out a sermon in say Vietnamese once a month?

Those people who walked out are not Catholic.

Ii'm still in disbelief that it even happened Nadie!!!

It does not surprise me though. A strong personality can sway many (even the majority) to follow. Most people are cowardly sheeple afraid of words. I use real life occurances like this to show my children how to be strong, and to follow only truth.

"Wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.
Right is right even if no one is doing it." (Saint Augustine)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #21 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:15:59 PM »

While it was certainly very wrong for those people to walk out, I can understand the feeling of those who believe that in the United States sermons should be in English unless the parish is specifically spanish speaking. It is a big deal for the English speaking members of the congregation to have to listen to a sermon in a foreign tongue once a month. It does feel like displacement.

It's mistaken to call it racism. If they were racists why would they go to mass with non-whites? Objecting to the language is not racism.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #22 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:20:18 PM »

Quote from: nadieimportante

"Wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.
Right is right even if no one is doing it." (Saint Augustine)

A great quote, my favorite.

nadieimportante · « **Reply #23 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:23:08 PM »

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Of course in crime statistics mestizos are counted as whites.

Are you sure about this? I would have thought everyone "South of the Border', even Brazilians, would be classified in the USA as "Hispanics".

Since there is no Hispanic category in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports and approximately 93 percent of Hispanics identify themselves, or are identified by law enforcement officers, as white, most arrests of Hispanics are added to white violent crime rates.

http://www.futurity.org/society-culture/skewed-stats-distort-black-crime-reports/

I don't want to derail this thread, but from what I read, it sounds like they solved the problem of categorizing Hispanics as "White", by now re-categorizing them as "Black'.

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When the researchers adjusted for the Hispanic effect, there was little overall change in the black percentage of violent crime.

The way I read the article: The black figures were low because they did not include Hispanics as it use to include, but now that they add Hispanics to Black, the crime rate is the same as has always been for "blacks".

Sigismund · « **Reply #24 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:26:27 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

There is No Such Thing as 'racism'.

Okay, what do YOU call it when someone hates someone else because of his or her race?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #25 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:29:14 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Quote from: roscoe
There is No Such Thing as 'racism'.

Okay, what do YOU call it when someone hates someone else because of his or her race?

According to roscoe, people have a God given right to dislike certain races.

A little roscoe-ology 101 for you...

RonCal26 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:29:59 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

While it was certainly very wrong for those people to walk out, I can understand the feeling of those who believe that in the United States sermons should be in English unless the parish is specifically spanish speaking. It is a big deal for the English speaking members of the congregation to have to listen to a sermon in a foreign tongue once a month. It does feel like displacement.

I disagree with you Telesphorus. Prior to the Second Vatican Council, the Catholic Church in the United States catered to different Catholics of many ethnic backgrounds by having the priests do the sermons in their native langue as well as Catholic hymns.

My Polish Catholic teacher who grew up with the traditional Latin Mass related to me that her parish gave Sunday sermons in Polish and English. Catholic hymns in her parish were sung in either Polish or English. She even stated this applied to the Czechs, Lithuanians, Italians and their respective dialects, Hungarian, German, etc. These European-American Catholics preserved their culture within their Catholic parish while remaining in their mother tongue, English.

When I was in the Novus Ordo, we had a Spanish, Chinese, and English sermons. Making our parish "multicultural" also increased the Catholic devotions that American Catholics seem alien to. We had Catholic fiestas, especially for the Santo Nino (Holy Child). In fact, we had Anglo-Americans who became devoted to the Infant Jesus of Prague as a result of sharing our Spanish Catholic culture to them.

We had no problem with the diversity because lots of the immigrants belonging to the older generations have difficulty comprehending "big words" in English. Imagine saying, "sanctification" or "propitiation" to an elderly Chinese Catholic who only knows basic communicative English skills.

During the pontificate of Pius XII, Cardinal James Francis McIntyre (the Metropolitan of Los Angeles & close friend of Cardinal Francis Spellman) had to increase the usage of Spanish sermons for the Filipino Catholic community because of their population increase within the Los Angeles archdiocese.

Here in the Philippines, we have American and Canadian priests giving sermons in English in the traditional Mass and they don't have any intention of learning how to speak Tagalog in my family's country which I find absurd. In the Novus Ordo, the foreign Western priests speak Tagalog in order to teach the Catholic Faith to their congregation and they adapt to the locals' culture.

Sigismund · « **Reply #27 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:31:21 PM »

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

Just because you are against Illegal Immigration does not make you a racist.

That is certainly true, I am opposed to illegal immigration myself. However, being unwilling to sit respectfully when priest delivers the sermon in Spanish, and to leave in disgust, is racism. The Church has to preach the Gospel to whomever sits in her pews, regardless of their immigration status. The fact that someone is is here illegally does not make them less precious to God.

All this is really beside the point, though. I don't recall anyone saying that the Hispanic people in the pews at this SSPX chapel were illegals.

nadieimportante · « **Reply #28 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:33:36 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

I can understand the feeling of those who believe that in the United States sermons should be in English unless the parish is specifically Spanish speaking. It is a big deal for the English speaking members of the congregation to have to listen to a sermon in a foreign tongue once a month. It does feel like displacement.

As I understood it (and seen it done before) the sermon is done in English, then it is done in Spanish. Once a month is no big deal. I believe that you understood it to mean that the sermon was not done in English the Sunday that it was done in Spanish.

I don't see the big deal in reading something Catholic while the sermon is going on in an unintelligible language. The non-English speaking people do it all the time, and we all have to do it when we go abroad.

Sigismund · « **Reply #29 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:38:34 PM »

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Quote from: roscoe
There is No Such Thing as 'racism'.

Okay, what do YOU call it when someone hates someone else because of his or her race?

According to roscoe, people have a God given right to dislike certain races.

A little roscoe-ology 101 for you...

That is so astoundingly far removed from anything that even resembles Catholicism that I am speechless.

Do I have a God given right to dislike people who abuse illegal drugs and suggest that mentally ill adolescents do the same?