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Offline cebu

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US SSPX Ordinations
« on: June 23, 2023, 04:45:10 AM »
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  • Are these the only ordinations for the SSPX in the US this year -  https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/live-stream-ordinations-priesthood-diaconate-2023-st-thomas-aquinas-seminary-83355   ?  Only two? Is there trouble in the Disneyland seminary?

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    Re: US SSPX Ordinations
    « Reply #1 on: June 23, 2023, 04:48:44 AM »
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  • Are these the only ordinations for the SSPX in the US this year -  https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/live-stream-ordinations-priesthood-diaconate-2023-st-thomas-aquinas-seminary-83355  ?  Only two? Is there trouble in the Disneyland seminary?
    Yes, the SSPX is only ordaining two in the USA this year.

    There were also six deacons ordained, so presumably that means there will be six Priests ordained next year.


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    Re: US SSPX Ordinations
    « Reply #2 on: June 23, 2023, 08:12:03 AM »
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  • Yes, the SSPX is only ordaining two in the USA this year.

    There were also six deacons ordained, so presumably that means there will be six Priests ordained next year.
    In the golden age of STAS under then Father and later Bishop Williamson, yearly priestly ordinations usually fluctuated betwee two and six men.

    I do not see the great issue here. I wonder about the quality of the formation, not the quantity.
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    Re: US SSPX Ordinations
    « Reply #3 on: June 23, 2023, 08:32:29 AM »
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  • In 1994 at STAS my class started out with 12, and only two out the original twelve were ordained.  Fr. Gagnon was ordained as well, but he did not show up until the year of Metaphysics, year three.  Fr. Darby died this year, God rest his soul, and Fr. Gorge Amozzurutia (I botched his last name) was the other.  And out of the twelve of us they were the two eldest. 
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    Re: US SSPX Ordinations
    « Reply #4 on: June 23, 2023, 08:42:10 AM »
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  • In the golden age of STAS under then Father and later Bishop Williamson, yearly priestly ordinations usually fluctuated betwee two and six men.

    I do not see the great issue here. I wonder about the quality of the formation, not the quantity.

    I think that the question is around the fact that SSPX claimed that an increase in the number of vocations led to their need for a $50 million seminary (because STAS was too small).  I've pointed out that the average numbers have NOT increased since back 30+ years ago when I was there.  They artificially inflated the numbers by adding their "Humanities Year" / Minor Seminary.  And even then they could have gotten by just as well had they simply built an addition to the existing seminary at Winona.  It wasn't as if they had some real explosion of vocations that required the new seminary.


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    Re: US SSPX Ordinations
    « Reply #5 on: June 23, 2023, 08:57:09 AM »
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  • I think that the question is around the fact that SSPX claimed that an increase in the number of vocations led to their need for a $50 million seminary (because STAS was too small).  I've pointed out that the average numbers have NOT increased since back 30+ years ago when I was there.  They artificially inflated the numbers by adding their "Humanities Year" / Minor Seminary.  And even then they could have gotten by just as well had they simply built an addition to the existing seminary at Winona.  It wasn't as if they had some real explosion of vocations that required the new seminary.
    ^This.

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    Re: US SSPX Ordinations
    « Reply #6 on: June 23, 2023, 11:17:44 AM »
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  • I think that the question is around the fact that SSPX claimed that an increase in the number of vocations led to their need for a $50 million seminary (because STAS was too small).  I've pointed out that the average numbers have NOT increased since back 30+ years ago when I was there.  They artificially inflated the numbers by adding their "Humanities Year" / Minor Seminary.  And even then they could have gotten by just as well had they simply built an addition to the existing seminary at Winona.  It wasn't as if they had some real explosion of vocations that required the new seminary.

    Yes, they paid a dear price to leave the halls haunted by the ghost of +Williamson (a desire they telegraphed to modernist Rome to indicate their change of course, which was further enhanced by relocating to near the Masonic capitol of the world, and HQ of the NWO), possibly in more ways than one:

    The Society received a bequest via the Jaidhofer Foundation (who appointed Max Krah to oversee the adminiatration of the $150 million endowment), which accounted for a significant amount of eminary project funding, and stipulated the oversight of Max Krah to administer the Fund.
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    Re: US SSPX Ordinations
    « Reply #7 on: June 23, 2023, 11:47:13 AM »
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  • Many, many thanks to Mark 79 for all of this tremendous amount of superb archiving:   SSPX (judaism.is)


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    Re: US SSPX Ordinations
    « Reply #8 on: June 23, 2023, 01:15:40 PM »
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  • That website SSPX (judaism.is) is not to be recommended for the R'n'R crowd as there are too many quotes from +Lefebvre lending credence to sedevacantism (we know, we know, he didn't go sede like his confrere Guerard).

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    Re: US SSPX Ordinations
    « Reply #9 on: June 23, 2023, 01:36:56 PM »
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  • That website SSPX (judaism.is) is not to be recommended for the R'n'R crowd as there are too many quotes from +Lefebvre lending credence to sedevacantism (we know, we know, he didn't go sede like his confrere Guerard).

    I trust that there are a good number of folks on this forum who would strongly beg to differ with you on your opinion.  One of the very first things you
    see on the link I provided is this:

     

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    Re: US SSPX Ordinations
    « Reply #10 on: June 23, 2023, 01:50:01 PM »
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  • Yep, I saw that too.  And read it way back in the day.


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    Re: US SSPX Ordinations
    « Reply #11 on: June 23, 2023, 04:45:24 PM »
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  • Compare to CMRI (https://cmri.org/cmri-traditional-catholic-publications/adsum-seminary-newsletter/):

    "May 2023: Letter from the Rector: Letter from the Rector: The close to another scholastic year for our seminary. Five new priests ordained on May 11: Fr. Aloysius Hartman, CMRI (Arizona), Fr. Adam Craig (Michigan), Fr. Giles Pardue (Alabama), Fr. Caleb Armour (Scotland), and Fr. Matias Chimenton (Argentina). Also seminarians who received the First Clerical Tonsure: Thomas Netzel (Washington), Richard Lauricella (Washington), Anthony Alley (South Dakota), Francisco Gomez (Mexico), Lucas Costa (Brazil), and Kyle St. Aubin (Canada); also, Frater Martin Sentman, CMRI who received the minor orders of Porter and Lector, and those who received the last two minor orders of Exorcist and Acolyte: Noah Ellis (Kentucky), Franz Trauner (Austria), Leopold Trauner (Austria), and Krzysztof Handke (Poland). 27 religious and secular priests present to assist at the ordination ceremonies. Fr. Connell Answers Moral Questions: How Early in an Illness May There Be Anointing of the Sick?"

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    Re: US SSPX Ordinations
    « Reply #12 on: June 23, 2023, 07:36:54 PM »
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  • I think the story was that there were 2-3 seminarians per room in Winona I don't know if that was really the case. Some may get along well like that, but I imagine many people seeking to become a priest would prefer their own room for the silence and lack of distraction. I thought the new building would have 120 seminarian rooms because it is the limit placed on the max number of seminarians under one rector, but I don't think there's 120, barely 100 at best.

    The 2 ordained this year entered at around the time that the move took place. The move was too early, so there was much work to finish making the place livable while they were living there. That would have been hard on some seminarians causing them to either take a year or 2 off, or wait to enter, or otherwise not persevere in that vocation.
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    Re: US SSPX Ordinations
    « Reply #13 on: June 23, 2023, 08:36:17 PM »
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  • I can't really comment on this situation specifically, but I can say as a general principle that obviously quality is to be preferred over quantity.

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    Re: US SSPX Ordinations
    « Reply #14 on: June 24, 2023, 04:20:31 AM »
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  • I think that the question is around the fact that SSPX claimed that an increase in the number of vocations led to their need for a $50 million seminary (because STAS was too small).  I've pointed out that the average numbers have NOT increased since back 30+ years ago when I was there.  They artificially inflated the numbers by adding their "Humanities Year" / Minor Seminary.  And even then they could have gotten by just as well had they simply built an addition to the existing seminary at Winona.  It wasn't as if they had some real explosion of vocations that required the new seminary.
    How many were in entering classes when we were there? Something like 20? And only a few were actually ordained.
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