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Uniting the Resistance Clans?
« on: October 17, 2023, 11:12:32 AM »
In a very interesting sermon, Fr. David Hewko detonated this hydrogen  bomb:

“I did have a good conversation with Bishop Faure about two months ago now, where he encouraged me, "Go forward. We need a seminary of Archbishop Lefebvre in the United States of tradition and of the counter-revolution." But I said, we're going to need a bishop to take care of these boys and ordain them.

And you can certainly test them. You can see their exams, no problem. And his message was, "I'll talk to Bishop Zendejas." Well, I don't know how that's going to go. But at least Bishop Faure is willing to do something. And he told me this, and I say it happily, maybe he's already said it publicly in French and Spanish, which is where he usually speaks because he lives in France. But he did tell me, "I don't agree with the New Mass miracles [as promoted by Bishop Williamson]. I don't agree with the promoting of the New Mass miracles. And I was wrong," he said, "to go along with that. And I was just going along because to go along," but he said, "I was wrong too." And he was. He was wrong to go along with that. So pray for him that... That's a good sign. And then it's also a good sign that there are prelates preaching the truth.

And Archbishop Viganò is one of them.”

https://thecatacombs.org/showthread.php?tid=5605


Brief commentary forthcoming…

Re: Uniting the Resistance Clans?
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2023, 11:55:03 AM »
Preliminary thoughts, subject to future amendment:

1) I have no principled objection to a rapprochement between the SAJM and Fr. Hewko, as most (but not all) of what divides the two camps are differing pastoral approaches to the apostolate, rather than contradictory doctrinal positions.  Those are matters of prudence about which one ought not be dogmatic, and respect (perhaps while still disagreeing) that others may have good and reasonable grounds for reaching different conclusions.  


2) It is certainly true that +Williamson often says things which one could easily foresee would cause disagreement and controversy among trads, and that minimally, would have been better left unsaid (eg., Valtorta, Thuc, various other apparitions, etc.).  Consequently, His Lordship must sleep in the bed he makes, for having chosen to frequently kick these hornets nests.  On the other hand, is it really necessary to excommunicate him?  


3) Is it possible for Williamson and Hewko to agree to disagree and collaborate, or must a rapprochement between the SAJM and Hewko presuppose a drifting apart between Williamson and the SAJM?  For myself, I think the former is possible (eg., Lefebvre cautioned his seminarians against Valtorta, but didn’t part ways with Fr. Barielle, who advocated it).

4) Who will staff Fr. Hewko’s seminary?  Will the SAJM and/or Avrille send at least 4-5 more competent priests to teach, or will +Faure be content to ordain seminarians formed in a 1-man program with occasional visiting priests.  One would hope there would be a continuous and rigorous oversight in this most important endeavor.  An absentee seminary formation is absolutely unthinkable, but I doubt Fr. Hewko is prepared to abandon all his missions.  He needs help, or the project is impractical.  St. Thomas Aquinas himself couldn’t cover all the doctrinal bases for an adequate formation, and only the very reckless would justify acceptable incompetence because of the crisis.

5) Fr. Hewko would restore the 1951 missal.  That is surely a great move, but what would the SAJM say about that?  I wish the SAJM would also adopt it, but that’s not likely.  Perhaps Hewko’s seminary would retain it as its own charism.

Anyway, these are my initial thoughts, and it seems that as most of the issues are practical, rather than doctrinal impediments, if both sides want it bad enough, perhaps it will happen.


Re: Uniting the Resistance Clans?
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2023, 12:39:46 PM »
4) Who will staff Fr. Hewko’s seminary?  Will the SAJM and/or Avrille send at least 4-5 more competent priests to teach.

It does not seem likely the Dominicans or SAJM would offer much help to Fr. Hewko, when they bareley have enough help for their own US Seminary (house of study). What seems more likely if Fr. Hewko were to make peace with SAJM, then it would be much more realistic for Fr. Hewko to help out at the SAJM chapels and House of Study rather than SAJM helping Fr. Hewko.


FYI: from Fr. Chazal: MilesChristi-25.pdf (cathinfo.com)
"This is happening as the number of seminarians is surging, here at least with one Indonesian (another gift of the Neo-SSPX), two Nigerians (who are unable to study in Brazil and cannot cross over to the seminaries of Bp. Zendejas in Kansas and of Bp. Ballini in Ireland), and a second Australian in January"

Re: Uniting the Resistance Clans?
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2023, 02:57:19 PM »
4) Who will staff Fr. Hewko’s seminary?  Will the SAJM and/or Avrille send at least 4-5 more competent priests to teach.

It does not seem likely the Dominicans or SAJM would offer much help to Fr. Hewko, when they bareley have enough help for their own US Seminary (house of study). What seems more likely if Fr. Hewko were to make peace with SAJM, then it would be much more realistic for Fr. Hewko to help out at the SAJM chapels and House of Study rather than SAJM helping Fr. Hewko.

Agreed, that would make more sense logistically, and the quality of formation with many priests with years of seminary instruction would be much better, but...

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Re: Uniting the Resistance Clans?
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2023, 05:19:28 PM »
But he did tell me, "I don't agree with the New Mass miracles [as promoted by Bishop Williamson]. I don't agree with the promoting of the New Mass miracles. And I was wrong," he said, "to go along with that. And I was just going along because to go along," but he said, "I was wrong too." And he was. He was wrong to go along with that. So pray for him that... That's a good sign.

I find it an extremely good sign to hear the Bishop say that he might have been wrong about something.  That shows humility, an open mind, seeking the truth rather than clinging to an agenda just to be "right".