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Poll

If. Msgr. Vigano is Excommunicated:

It will prove his authenticity, and I will support him
3 (5.3%)
It will prove he's not Catholic, and I want nothing to do with him
0 (0%)
I already support him, so it will mean nothing to me
31 (54.4%)
I will still have issues with him
23 (40.4%)

Total Members Voted: 51

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2022, 02:58:20 PM »
Does Vigano accept Vatican II as an ecuмenical council of the Church and its official teaching?

Does he accept the new "mass" and sacraments as valid?

Does he hold the abomination in the Vatican since at least 1962 is not the Catholic Church?

If not, I don't understand why 62% of supposedly traditional Catholics support him.

If yes, good for him, I hope he sincerely searches for the fullness of truth and saves his soul by leaving the false sect.

Answer is ... he's not articulated this clearly.  He's come a hair's breadth from saying that the Holy See if vacant, has referred to Bergoglio as an NWO operative, has in fact never called him Francis, much less Holy Father, but always just Berogoglio.  He says that V2 is the work of Masons trying to destroy the Church, and it's fundamentally flawed, to the point of being unsalvageable, that it cannot be corrected but must be pitched entirely.  He certainly holds that the NOM is not a Catholic Mass.  He's said that it's possible that Bergoglio is not the Pope and that it must be investigated (in the context of Bennyvcantism ... although he's criticized Ratzinger and Wojtyla as well, not something that your typical Bennyvacantists would care to do).

In short, he's saying pretty much what Archbishop Lefebvre said (and at times is even more emphatic about it).  Why did/do the vast majority of Traditional Catholics support Archbishop Lefebvre?

So, he hasn't come out (at least publicly) yet as a sedevacantist.  Does that somehow make him less of a Catholic or Traditional Catholic that Archbishop Lefebvre was?

Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2022, 03:12:09 PM »
Depends on whether you're a sedeprivationist, whether the excommunication was just/valid in the first place, etc. ... and in danger of death any priest can lift excommunications.
The question was directed to shimano.


Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2022, 04:41:39 PM »
Answer is ... he's not articulated this clearly.  
His opinion on Russia and Putin, on the other hand, are quite clear. He helps support the antithesis of the West in alternative media rhetoric.

Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2022, 04:58:12 PM »
Depends on whether you're a sedeprivationist, whether the excommunication was just/valid in the first place, etc. ... and in danger of death any priest can lift excommunications.
We are not to be our own rule-makers.

Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2022, 05:04:40 PM »
Does it work both ways?
In other words, can someone previously excommunicated (especially prior to VII), have the excommunication lifted by heretics and apostates?
If you have to ask that question, then you're lacking in logic and sobriety which are attributes of Catholic thought. Snap out of your disorientation, but first you must reject what is not Catholic masquerading as "catholic".