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If. Msgr. Vigano is Excommunicated:

It will prove his authenticity, and I will support him
3 (5.3%)
It will prove he's not Catholic, and I want nothing to do with him
0 (0%)
I already support him, so it will mean nothing to me
31 (54.4%)
I will still have issues with him
23 (40.4%)

Total Members Voted: 51

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Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2022, 07:52:39 PM »

To properly understand Vigano, we must first understand the "balance of powers" as outlined in the US Constitution (not currently being followed) in which the executive branch, the legislative branch and the judicial branch are separate but equal. (Were our founding docuмents being followed, the alphabet police would be smacked down by both the legislative and juducial branches).
When has this ever really worked? Do you consider Tammany Hall vs the Society of the Cincinnati to be an example of good early politics? Or was it always meant to be exploited, vindicating the Anti-Federalists? Not to say a Catholic would necessarily want to support them either.

If this is clear, it's easy to understand what Vigano said regarding peaceful coexistence of nations, without there being one nation that considers itself superior and legitimized to subjugate the others. (As the US deep state globalists do now.)
Basically he restated part of the Russian state ideology: unilateralism ("one nation") has got to go! Multilateralism is the desired future of the Eurasianists. If he is a neutral observer, why would he push this same message and support Putin? This multilateralism also includes Communist China as one of the poles of influence.

Rightly understood, this is the polar opposite of globalism with it's "International Police Force" to enforce the Communist, anti-God "The Great Reset" in which nations exist in name only.
In multilateralism Communist China becomes the military enforcement arm which replaces the United States. That's not to say support Biden and his wicked regime, but the horror of that next new world order is still nothing compared to our miserable present. Destroying the present order is necessary in order to usher in that renewed (global) Red Terror.

Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2022, 09:13:32 AM »
A Catholic can't be excommunicated by heretics and apostates. 


Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2022, 11:04:20 AM »
A Catholic can't be excommunicated by heretics and apostates.
Does it work both ways?
In other words, can someone previously excommunicated (especially prior to VII), have the excommunication lifted by heretics and apostates?

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Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2022, 11:07:43 AM »
Does it work both ways?
In other words, can someone previously excommunicated (especially prior to VII), have the excommunication lifted by heretics and apostates?

Depends on whether you're a sedeprivationist, whether the excommunication was just/valid in the first place, etc. ... and in danger of death any priest can lift excommunications.

Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2022, 11:40:07 AM »
Does Vigano accept Vatican II as an ecuмenical council of the Church and its official teaching?

Does he accept the new "mass" and sacraments as valid?

Does he hold the abomination in the Vatican since at least 1962 is not the Catholic Church?

If not, I don't understand why 62% of supposedly traditional Catholics support him.

If yes, good for him, I hope he sincerely searches for the fullness of truth and saves his soul by leaving the false sect.