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If. Msgr. Vigano is Excommunicated:

It will prove his authenticity, and I will support him
3 (5.3%)
It will prove he's not Catholic, and I want nothing to do with him
0 (0%)
I already support him, so it will mean nothing to me
31 (54.4%)
I will still have issues with him
23 (40.4%)

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Offline SimpleMan

Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2022, 10:37:45 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on September 22, 2022, 05:54:56 AM
+Vigano's excommuniation, of course, would mean nothing to me, for the same reasons that Pope St. Celestine declared the excommunications of Nestorius to have been null and void (even before Nestorius was formally removed from office) but even in terms of my perception of +Vigano.  I doubt it'll happen because the Vatican simply don't want to go out of their way to draw even more attention to +Vigano.  It's the same reason that they quietly allowed Bishop de Castro Mayer to continue Tradition in his diocese, and did not remove him ... because they figured that he'll eventually just die and disappear from the scene, and they didn't want to raise a bit stink about it.  Outside of Traditional circles, no one had ever heard of him.  So whether they do or don't excommunicate him, it would be for tactical reasons and not out of principle.  While it might be interesting to read +Vigano's reaction to such a thing, what the Vatican decides to do or not do has no bearing on my perception of him.

Yep, the good old "Streisand effect" at work --- the bigger a stink they raise, the more people notice, and the more people would learn about him and could even sympathize with him.

As the saying goes, no such thing as bad publicity.
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Offline SimpleMan

Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2022, 10:43:56 PM »
Quote from: Donachie on September 22, 2022, 09:46:47 PM
This sort of survival effort would have to involve Lithuania, Poland, Hungary, Austria, Ireland and traditionalists in France, Spain, Italy, Mexico, etc. The United States and Quebec too. The world seems blind as bats in California but if the right areas wake up maybe there's a chance. This seems like a would-be Lithuanian or Polish Mandate, not Kentucky, since people in Kentucky don't typically have that sort of Catholic background. A Lithuanian Portfolio ...


https://www.bitchute.com/video/mXd8qP3H8OCZ/

You might be surprised about Kentucky.  The northern three counties (Boone, Kenton, and Campbell) have historically been heavily German Catholic territory, and there is a long-standing Catholic presence in Louisville, Owensboro, and a cluster of three or four rural counties in central Kentucky that have had a large Catholic percentage for 200 years.  The first Catholic diocese west of the Alleghenies was seated in Bardstown (Nelson County).  More recently, Lexington has grown from a small horse-breeding town to a magnet for professionals of every stripe as well as academics, kind of like Raleigh-Durham writ smaller, and is the home of a relatively new diocese, basically all of Appalachian Kentucky, led by militantly pro-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ bishop John Stowe.
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Offline Incredulous

Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2022, 08:42:20 PM »
Quote from: SimpleMan on September 21, 2022, 11:02:08 PM
What exactly is the excommunicating offense?  Can a bishop be excommunicated for calling the Pope a heretic?


Pope Bergy defrocked Bp. Plano of Paraguay for going trad and for calling another Paraguayan homo bishop “gαy”.
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Offline Incredulous

Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2022, 08:58:07 PM »

We have to consider the possibility that +ABV is another controlled opposition set-up.

If Pope Bergy excommunicates him, it’s good theater and will give more notoriety.

Since the hijacking of the Church in 1958, one would expect the leader of the traditional remnant to be a trad. 
Not a career consiliarist who becomes a sudden media convert.
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Offline MiracleOfTheSun

Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2022, 09:44:01 PM »
Quote from: Incredulous on October 01, 2022, 08:58:07 PM
...one would expect the leader of the traditional remnant to be a trad.
Not a career consiliarist who becomes a sudden media convert.
Yeah.  I have to say, this has always puzzled me.  
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