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Offline Maria Regina

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Re: “Cardinal” Burke says that the SSPX is in schism
« Reply #45 on: October 02, 2017, 09:50:22 PM »
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  • Sort of like hoping for a better pope next time!
    Anything is possible.....
    Praying that the Lord Jesus will come quickly and save us.
    Lord have mercy.

    Offline Incredulous

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    Re: “Cardinal” Burke says that the SSPX is in schism
    « Reply #46 on: October 03, 2017, 10:53:45 AM »
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  • Perhaps we need to have a mechanic standing by..........


    With Amazon Prime, you can get this stuff delivered for $4.99 a can.
     

    Some chapels buy it by the caseload.

    The best price may be $2.99 in volume?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


    Offline JPaul

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    Re: “Cardinal” Burke says that the SSPX is in schism
    « Reply #47 on: October 03, 2017, 11:26:50 AM »
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  • Why not? they are already working their extermination program on us..............

    Offline ultrarigorist

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    Re: “Cardinal” Burke says that the SSPX is in schism
    « Reply #48 on: October 03, 2017, 12:10:20 PM »
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  • Yep, been there done that....


    Bp Zendejas isn't requiring this from us though, ...
    Yet.

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    Re: “Cardinal” Burke says that the SSPX is in schism
    « Reply #49 on: October 03, 2017, 01:49:43 PM »
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  • Yet.

    Instead of spouting off an apparent biased remark, please substantiate your claim...


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    Re: “Cardinal” Burke says that the SSPX is in schism
    « Reply #50 on: October 03, 2017, 03:33:10 PM »
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  • With Amazon Prime, you can get this stuff delivered for $4.99 a can.
     

    Some chapels buy it by the caseload.

    The best price may be $2.99 in volume?
    Oh, if only...

    Wrong "Hard, yet silent, J" though.

    But, spray yourself whilst the can's out Schlomo; nice try sneaking in the "first" via the "second"

    j/k, or am I boychik?  :furtive:

     :jester:


    Offline DZ PLEASE

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    Re: “Cardinal” Burke says that the SSPX is in schism
    « Reply #51 on: October 03, 2017, 04:17:29 PM »
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  • With Amazon Prime, you can get this stuff delivered for $4.99 a can.


    Some chapels buy it by the caseload.

    The best price may be $2.99 in volume?

    Sadly, it seems that "Goy-be-gone" is a superior product; I suspect that yours is mostly gelt-scented Manischewitz.

    Sthymied again...

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    Re: “Cardinal” Burke says that the SSPX is in schism
    « Reply #52 on: October 03, 2017, 06:16:34 PM »
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  • The bulk of the Society would not disagree with this comment. Hence the indecent haste to become regularised before it becomes stranded in history as another protestant church. Burke is above all a political animal and is very unlikely to undermine a structure that bestows favours on those that deserve them. Rebels and rival outfits would not be among them.

    The above illustrates the impossible bind in which the Society finds itself. Rebels without a cause. Before long they will be begging to be let out of the hole they have created and the price will be to praise the worst excesses of the conciliar revolution. Contempt is a mild word to use for such an eventuality.

    Some folk here still think they have things in common with Burke just because he is said to bear a conservative label. By now even those burdened with some naivety have a feeling that conservatism is a slowing down (but not the prevention) of the inevitable. It definitely is not a desire to bring back the past. If there is any friction inside the new church , it will only be about being relevant in today's world. As trads, do we dare to forswear swimming with the tide and feel pangs of joy when hearing about schism from the likes of Burke? Lefebvre's badge of honour comes to mind again.   

     




    Offline DZ PLEASE

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    Re: “Cardinal” Burke says that the SSPX is in schism
    « Reply #53 on: October 03, 2017, 06:34:00 PM »
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  • By now even those burdened with some naivety have a feeling that conservatism is a slowing down (but not the prevention) of the inevitable. 
    The "conservative caboose" inevitably squeals in protest at the engine of "progress"; just what do "conservatives" conserve anyway? It surely isn't energy.

    Offline DZ PLEASE

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    « Reply #54 on: October 03, 2017, 06:46:37 PM »
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  • A really useful set of questions to frequently ask, at least of oneself, is:
    1. "What categories are in use?"
     1. "Where do they come from?"

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    Re: “Cardinal” Burke says that the SSPX is in schism
    « Reply #55 on: October 03, 2017, 09:12:06 PM »
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  • Wessex,
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    The above illustrates the impossible bind in which the Society finds itself. Rebels without a cause. Before long they will be begging to be let out of the hole they have created and the price will be to praise the worst excesses of the conciliar revolution. Contempt is a mild word to use for such an eventuality.
    They are simmering in a soup of their own making, with the faction always having the appearance of rebellion but lacking the substance, distancing themselves from, but tolerating those excesses. It is not so far a journey from passive toleration to praise? The starting line having been set much closer to the finish than most followers realized, and the eventuality cloaked with a certain inevitabilty .

    Was this seen by the current visionaries? One wonders.


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    Re: “Cardinal” Burke says that the SSPX is in schism
    « Reply #56 on: October 04, 2017, 05:26:39 AM »
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  • Burke can easily dismiss the Society since he is the face of the new conservatism. From a weakened position I believe it lacks the strength to become another Opus Dei; something Menzingen would dearly love; a permanent level of haughty detachment on the fringes of the mainstream, comfortably and carefully interpreting and reinterpreting those game-changing conciliar docuмents to avoid any Vatican displeasure.

    Menzingen would by now have decided on Fellay's successor unless he can fiddle the constitution because of his importance in the dialogue with Rome. The inner circle will of course rubber-stamp whatever is decided. The rank and file members not being put off living in this state of partial communion over a long period will find full communion a logical move to remove the half-believed schism accusation. And the laity will maintain the habit of visiting their familiar local churches on a Sunday and be relieved that they have remained within the broad Catholic culture ......  always a binding consideration that is often greater than specific belief.

    I can only imagine the unpleasant politics within the large district of North America as it moves in the new direction. The very small UK scene will experience very little of this especially after the departure of Fr. Morgan. Integration with the mainstream would probably go unnoticed. The greatly reduced remnant now lacks leadership since Bp. Williamson has turned his back on it. We must be small beer. The opportunity for a London-based revival has come and gone.


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    Re: “Cardinal” Burke says that the SSPX is in schism
    « Reply #57 on: October 04, 2017, 10:23:08 AM »
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  • Sadly, it seems that "Goy-be-gone" is a superior product; I suspect that yours is mostly gelt-scented Manischewitz.

    Sthymied again...

    Some devout neo-trad complained about this cartoon, liking the spray to the German "Zyklon" anti-lice fumigants.

    Therefore, I'd like to clarify the contents of "Jew-Be-Gone".

    The MSDS contents are:
    1. 33% Epiphany Holy water.
    2. 25% Commericial Dish-soap.
    3. 42% Ham Brine.

    cuмulatively, these contents are disgusting to тαℓмυdic Jew and will drive him back into his ѕуηαgσgυє.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

    Offline DZ PLEASE

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    Re: “Cardinal” Burke says that the SSPX is in schism
    « Reply #58 on: October 04, 2017, 03:42:42 PM »
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  • Some devout neo-trad complained about this cartoon, liking the spray to the German "Zyklon" anti-lice fumigants.

    Therefore, I'd like to clarify the contents of "Jew-Be-Gone".

    The MSDS contents are:
    1. 33% Epiphany Holy water.
    2. 25% Commericial Dish-soap.
    3. 42% Ham Brine.

    cuмulatively, these contents are disgusting to тαℓмυdic Jew and will drive him back into his ѕуηαgσgυє.
    Did you happen to notice any of a myriad of kosher tax symbols? You have to look very carefully, esp. for off-sized fonts in the text as well.

    You still haven't addressed the word "second", BTW. " :furtive: "

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    Re: “Cardinal” Burke says that the SSPX is in schism
    « Reply #59 on: October 04, 2017, 08:28:23 PM »
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  • Wessex,
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    I can only imagine the unpleasant politics within the large district of North America as it moves in the new direction. The very small UK scene will experience very little of this especially after the departure of Fr. Morgan. Integration with the mainstream would probably go unnoticed. The greatly reduced remnant now lacks leadership since Bp. Williamson has turned his back on it. We must be small beer. The opportunity for a London-based revival has come and gone.
    The US contingent is quite well trained in the SSPX narrative, and the followers of Bishop Williamson's episcopal band are still most of the way there, save for their distaste for +Fellay's hijinks and see though veneer which barely covers his eagerness to cinch the deal.  Most come from the Society's school of thought of tolerating the elephant which has been which messing in the Menzingen ballroom for decades.

    There is little will to change that pattern so while there will be a lot of noise, it will be rare to see any fire, and things will go from Sunday to Sunday throughout the Liturgical calender with little real change. I could be mistaken, but I do not believe that I am.

    Oh,if that the small cadre of UK faithful would be blessed by a courageous cleric with the integrity of a McNabb and the erudition and courage of a Fahey. You might find your mustard seed sprouting into a genuine counter-revolutionary movement.  But for now, we can only visualize and pray against this present paralysis which stifles the very hope that is within us.

    Truly, the sheep are scattered. The Alpha rams haven't been seen for a long time, and the betas can only manage to lead us in circles within the fence.