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Quote from: Lucca Back

Fr. Chazal said a Mass on the street. I think Fr. Pfeiffer served this Mass and took a video.

I couldn't see any faithful at this street Mass. All Trad Cath were singing in the chapel located across the street. The name of this chapel is the OLVC SSPX.

Support these priests!!

I do think we need to support these priests.

However, ...
HOW MANY OF THE FAITHFUL WERE TOLD THAT THESE WONDERFUL PRIESTS WERE GOING TO VISIT THEM??
 

Having been an SSPX parishioner for many, many years, it would not surprise me that none of the faithful were told these priests would be visiting...

or if they WERE told of the upcoming visit, ...  they were not given the essential details, like place or time that the Mass would be said.  

I've seen too many schedule flubs from the SSPX in the past to have to at least ask this question.

Yes, but you are too kind with the "schedule flubs" -- not that they don't happen,
for they do, but in this case I'd put it beyond that level. I would go so far as to
say the "schedule flubs," at least some of them, could be deliberate.

The overt proof of this likelihood is the FACT that the faithful are being discouraged
from using the Internet, with specific criticisms of the Internet as a thing that is
inherently untrustworthy.

As my drill sergeant was wont to say, "Let me repeat that: inherently untrustworthy."

Why do I say this? Because to the tyrant, +Fellay, and his Menzingen-deniznens,
the Internet represents a most serious problem, but only if it is USED and only if
the faithful BELIEVE what they see here. Therefore, their consistent agenda has
included sneak-attacks on the Internet's reputation, stealth attacks, dare I say,
ideological terrorist attacks!!  :surprised:

As my dear Frenchman would say, "Yes, umhum, that's right, umhum, yes:
ideological terrorist attacks, umhum, yes." I soak it up when he talks that way!

For their well-known attack against the Internet is their PATHETIC, groping effort
to retain their vice-grip of FEAR on the faithful. That's all these miserable creatures
have is their waning, erstwhile vice-grip of FEAR on the faithful. Yes, umhum,
that's right, umhum, yes: their waning, erstwhile vice-grip of FEAR on the faithful,
umhum, yes.

I remain disgusted that nobody assisted the two priests who offered Mass on the streets. I'm not disappointed but disgusted. I don't accept this fear of reprisal argument. Reprisal from whom and what type of reprisal? There comes a point when a line must be drawn in the sand, and people stand their ground.

Two priests who remain loyal to the principles of Archbishop Lefebvre. It's tragic to see them have to offer Mass on the street.

I agree, it is disgusting. And yes, if the faithful would recognize the truth of what is
happening here, they would not kow-tow to the "fear of reprisal argument." This
kind of thing has been going on for years, though, in the SSPX. There have been
so many stories of unjust "disciplinary acts," and they seem to come from various
sources while reporting on the same SSPX pastors or District Superiors (not to
mention the now-infamous Superior General!). I could give a few, but I'm not
eager to spread detraction. But in this case at hand, it obviously concerns the
actions of the DS Fr. Couture, for his name is on the published "Little Pebble"
letter, for all the world to see. And we all know that's not the only instance of
this. It's like the Scriptural descriptions of the miracles of Jesus: He only is
recorded as having raised three men from the dead, but as Fr. Pfeiffer said in
the sermon of 9-09, these are given for our edification, but He no doubt had
raised many more from the dead, even thousands, whose stories we are not
given, for, "...if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not
be able to contain the books that should be written" (Jn xxi. 25).

This reference to Our Lord is highly appropos, for Frs. Chazal and Pfeiffer saying
Mass on the street yesterday touches most poignantly to Our Lord's Carrying of
the Cross on the public streets of Jerusalem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ................

Fr.'s choice of the word, "thousands," gave me a twinge, but then I immediately
remembered that upon His death on the Cross, the graves were opened and
many of the deceased ancestors rose from the dead and appeared to many.
While this may not be literally the same as for the widow's son and Lazarus and
the other man, they are nonetheless raisings from the dead at least akin to Our
Lord's own resurrection. Then, "these three" are set aside and given to us for
our edification, which Fr. Pfeiffer went on to describe in remarkable detail, perhaps
using the writings of St. John Chrysostom or some of the other Doctors of the
Church. I really appreciate his readiness to quote the Doctors. For their writings
are likewise "given for our edification."



I wonder: how long will it be before Msgr. Fellay issues
a decree from Menzingen that Fr. Pfeiffer can no longer
quote the Doctors of the Church in his sermons??


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Oh! Oh! Oh! I know: Msgr. Williamson can mention a sermon of St. Anselm or
St. Chrysostom or St. Athanasius or St. Hilary of Portiers -- just the seed of
the topic! And then Fr. Pfeiffer can READ THE EC in his own sermon, but when
he gets to the point where the Doctor's sermon is mentioned then he can "break
out into a exposee" of this theme, using the very words of the Doctor but
applying them to our current situation! The Menzingen-denizens would be
TERROR-STRUCK at such a device.

Yes, umhum, that's right, umhum, yes: the Menzingen-denizens would be
terror-struck at such a device, umhum, yes, terror-struck, umhum, yes, umhum.

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I wouldn't worry about Fathers Pfeiffer and Chazal, God will care for them, but worry about the people who are afraid to follow them.  The cult-like aspect of the SSPX, and its power to manipulate the minds of its followers in perverse ways is very tragic, because it's choking out the Catholic Faith in what was supposed to be a sanctuary of Faith.

You can't really be a Catholic and a cultist at the same time.

Oh yes, you can! Join modernist Rome! :pop:

                                                               

And yes, if the faithful would recognize the truth of what is
happening here, they would not kow-tow to the "fear of reprisal argument." This
kind of thing has been going on for years, though, in the SSPX. There have been
so many stories of unjust "disciplinary acts,"

My great-grandfather, whom I never met worked as a groundsman at a seminary in Ireland. Well a place of formation for a missionary order.It is long gone.

One day the Superior, who had returned from Africa asked him and the men to do a certain job. My great grandfather politely told him it would be better given the good weather if they brought in the hay. The Superior was annoyed and threatened him with the sack.

In the end my great grandfather left instead of being sacked as a point of principle. He told the Superior the crows would fly through the ruins of their seminary. For years it was derelict. My great grand father went to London and spent his days there.

He had his principles and wasn't afraid to tell the Superior he was wrong. It made no sense to do the other task whilst hay was needed to be brought in from the fields.

We are obliged to speak the truth.

Quote from: Lucca Back

Fr. Chazal said a Mass on the street. I think Fr. Pfeiffer served this Mass and took a video.

I couldn't see any faithful at this street Mass. All Trad Cath were singing in the chapel located across the street. The name of this chapel is the OLVC SSPX.

Support these priests!!

I do think we need to support these priests.

However, ...
HOW MANY OF THE FAITHFUL WERE TOLD THAT THESE WONDERFUL PRIESTS WERE GOING TO VISIT THEM??
 

Having been an SSPX parishioner for many, many years, it would not surprise me that none of the faithful were told these priests would be visiting...

or if they WERE told of the upcoming visit, ...  they were not given the essential details, like place or time that the Mass would be said.  

I've seen too many schedule flubs from the SSPX in the past to have to at least ask this question.

That is not what is holding them back. They are being threatened with expulsion if they attend and they fear that will leave them no option for the sacraments, especially if no resistance priests or independent priests remain there to continue their spiritual needs. It's just like how you don't jump off an oceanliner if you don't see any life boats in sight.

At some of the Chapels we are being threatened with expulsion just for talking to others about the situation, and it will be a "cold day in Hell" before the Pastor announces a Mass by either brave priest with the remark that we are free to attend with no repercussions.

http://www.sspxasia.com/Countries/Philippines/OLVC_2012/Sunday_Bulletin/16th_Sunday_after_Pentecost.pdf

http://www.sspxasia.com/Countries/Philippines/OLVC_2012/Main_Page.htm

Please do not expect anything from this Mass center. I have spent more than a year there. The faithful could care less about the buildings much less the priests. Sadly many of the Filipinos there suffer still from a NO mindset. Everything in that priory & church is deteriorating including the Faith. Should we expect much from them when many of their women are ligated & the children listen to Lady Gaga? Fr. Chazal & Fr. Pfeiffer are the only priests that I know who publicly tell the Filipino faithful & not so faithful that they should be having children & as many as God wishes to send them. But Filipinos are stubborn & that is why the RH Bill is just a consequence of a contracepting NO country. I am the only one who is willing to admit this along with these brave priests. I am not afraid to say that Fr. Couture has taken advantage of the Filipino culture & mindset to secure his position & funds for Asia. Look at the video! Look at the deplorable condition of the church. It speaks volumes of the deplorable state of the souls who go there. My husband was the only one who cared enough to hire a dump truck to rid the church of the mountains of trash that plagued the yard of the priory. Fr. Purdy, the former prior, was transferred by Fr. Couture, because he was the only one who was trying to restore that place & convert the faithful. The people won't change. All they want is their Mass & a little party once in a while.

Then please send the two good padres back home to the US where we will treasure them and give them the respect and support they deserve, including a respectable place to say the Holy Mass.

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And yes, if the faithful would recognize the truth of what is
happening here, they would not kow-tow to the "fear of reprisal argument." This
kind of thing has been going on for years, though, in the SSPX. There have been
so many stories of unjust "disciplinary acts,"

My great-grandfather, whom I never met worked as a groundsman at a seminary in Ireland. Well a place of formation for a missionary order.It is long gone.

One day the Superior, who had returned from Africa asked him and the men to do a certain job. My great grandfather politely told him it would be better given the good weather if they brought in the hay. The Superior was annoyed and threatened him with the sack.

In the end my great grandfather left instead of being sacked as a point of principle. He told the Superior the crows would fly through the ruins of their seminary. For years it was derelict. My great grand father went to London and spent his days there.

He had his principles and wasn't afraid to tell the Superior he was wrong. It made no sense to do the other task whilst hay was needed to be brought in from the fields.

We are obliged to speak the truth.

I quite agree that it was commendable that he stood up for his principles, but in this case, by leaving, he did not deprive himself of the sacraments needed for salvation, so we aren't really comparing apples to apples, as they say.

He did the right thing and that is what matters.

If Bishop Lazo was still alive, he would be outside on the streets right smack in front of OLOVC with the good padres offering the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass too! He lived through the whole VII fraud and he died abandoned by all his NO confreres. Bishop Fellay's unfaithfulness would have broken his heart. He offered his death for the conversion of bishops.

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Quote from: John Grace

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And yes, if the faithful would recognize the truth of what is
happening here, they would not kow-tow to the "fear of reprisal argument." This
kind of thing has been going on for years, though, in the SSPX. There have been
so many stories of unjust "disciplinary acts,"

My great-grandfather, whom I never met worked as a groundsman at a seminary in Ireland. Well a place of formation for a missionary order.It is long gone.

One day the Superior, who had returned from Africa asked him and the men to do a certain job. My great grandfather politely told him it would be better given the good weather if they brought in the hay. The Superior was annoyed and threatened him with the sack.

In the end my great grandfather left instead of being sacked as a point of principle. He told the Superior the crows would fly through the ruins of their seminary. For years it was derelict. My great grand father went to London and spent his days there.

He had his principles and wasn't afraid to tell the Superior he was wrong. It made no sense to do the other task whilst hay was needed to be brought in from the fields.

We are obliged to speak the truth.

I quite agree that it was commendable that he stood up for his principles, but in this case, by leaving, he did not deprive himself of the sacraments needed for salvation, so we aren't really comparing apples to apples, as they say.

He did the right thing and that is what matters.

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So he cursed the seminary because of a fight with his boss over what work should be done when?

And what was the principle?  My Will Be Done?

Being of entirely Irish stock myself, I've seen and heard a great deal of Irish spite.  But this retires the trophy.