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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Lucca Back on September 16, 2012, 08:10:36 PM
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Fr. Chazal said a mass on the street. I think Fr. Pfeiffer served this mass and took a video.
I couldn't see any faithful at this street mass. All Trad Cath were singing in the chaple located across the street. The name of this chaple is the OLVC SSPX.
Support these priets!!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtncwv_fr-chazal-mass-on-the-street-sept-16th-2012-manila_news
And Bookmark this faithful's video channel, he will upload these Father's Sermons.
Thank you so much for this video.
http://www.dailymotion.com/avec-l-Immaculee#video=xtncwv
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I wouldn't worry about Fathers Pfeiffer and Chazal, God will care for them, but worry about the people who are afraid to follow them. The cult-like aspect of the SSPX, and its power to manipulate the minds of its followers in perverse ways is very tragic, because it's choking out the Catholic Faith in what was supposed to be a sanctuary of Faith.
You can't really be a Catholic and a cultist at the same time.
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Fr. Chazal said a Mass on the street. I think Fr. Pfeiffer served this Mass and took a video.
I couldn't see any faithful at this street Mass. All Trad Cath were singing in the chapel located across the street. The name of this chapel is the OLVC SSPX.
Support these priests!!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtncwv_fr-chazal-mass-on-the-street-sept-16th-2012-manila_news
And Bookmark this faithful's video channel, he will upload these Father's Sermons.
Thank you so much for this video.
http://www.dailymotion.com/avec-l-Immaculee#video=xtncwv
Thank you very much for keeping us posted on the sad situation over there. We will continue to pray for them.
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I wish one of them would come here!
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:cry:
I wish one of them would come here!
Yes. We would LOVE to have them here too!!
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Fr. Chazal said a Mass on the street. I think Fr. Pfeiffer served this Mass and took a video.
I couldn't see any faithful at this street Mass. All Trad Cath were singing in the chapel located across the street. The name of this chapel is the OLVC SSPX.
Support these priests!!
I do think we need to support these priests.
However, ...
HOW MANY OF THE FAITHFUL WERE TOLD THAT THESE WONDERFUL PRIESTS WERE GOING TO VISIT THEM??
Having been an SSPX parishioner for many, many years, it would not surprise me that none of the faithful were told these priests would be visiting...
or if they WERE told of the upcoming visit, ... they were not given the essential details, like place or time that the Mass would be said.
I've seen too many schedule flubs from the SSPX in the past to have to at least ask this question.
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Fr. Chazal said a mass on the street. I think Fr. Pfeiffer served this mass and took a video.
I couldn't see any faithful at this street mass. All Trad Cath were singing in the chaple located across the street. The name of this chaple is the OLVC SSPX.
Support these priets!!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtncwv_fr-chazal-mass-on-the-street-sept-16th-2012-manila_news
And Bookmark this faithful's video channel, he will upload these Father's Sermons.
Thank you so much for this video.
http://www.dailymotion.com/avec-l-Immaculee#video=xtncwv
Welcome back, Lucas B to CathInfo.[/color]
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I wouldn't worry about Fathers Pfeiffer and Chazal, God will care for them, but worry about the people who are afraid to follow them. The cult-like aspect of the SSPX, and its power to manipulate the minds of its followers in perverse ways is very tragic, because it's choking out the Catholic Faith in what was supposed to be a sanctuary of Faith.
You can't really be a Catholic and a cultist at the same time.
Oh yes, you can! Join modernist Rome! :pop:
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Great job, Immaculee!
God be with you!
I suggest everyone subscribe to Immaculee.
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I remain disgusted that nobody assisted the two priests who offered Mass on the streets. I'm not disappointed but disgusted. I don't accept this fear of reprisal argument.Reprisal from whom and what type of reprisal?There comes a point when a line must be drawn in the sand, and people stand their ground.
Two priests who remain loyal to the principles of Archbishop Lefebvre.It's tragic to see them have to offer Mass on the street.
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I do realise it might be necessary for some to keep their heads down but there is a time for action also. I imagine the vast majority inside OLVC are anti but will eventually have to take a stand. Whilst time will tell, it's not acceptable to sit on the fence. One is either for the agreement or not. There is no middle way between what is true or false or right or wrong.
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http://www.sspxasia.com/Countries/Philippines/OLVC_2012/Sunday_Bulletin/16th_Sunday_after_Pentecost.pdf
http://www.sspxasia.com/Countries/Philippines/OLVC_2012/Main_Page.htm
Please do not expect anything from this Mass center. I have spent more than a year there. The faithful could care less about the buildings much less the priests. Sadly many of the Filipinos there suffer still from a NO mindset. Everything in that priory & church is deteriorating including the Faith. Should we expect much from them when many of their women are ligated & the children listen to Lady Gaga? Fr. Chazal & Fr. Pfeiffer are the only priests that I know who publicly tell the Filipino faithful & not so faithful that they should be having children & as many as God wishes to send them. But Filipinos are stubborn & that is why the RH Bill is just a consequence of a contracepting NO country. I am the only one who is willing to admit this along with these brave priests. I am not afraid to say that Fr. Couture has taken advantage of the Filipino culture & mindset to secure his position & funds for Asia. Look at the video! Look at the deplorable condition of the church. It speaks volumes of the deplorable state of the souls who go there. My husband was the only one who cared enough to hire a dump truck to rid the church of the mountains of trash that plagued the yard of the priory. Fr. Purdy, the former prior, was transferred by Fr. Couture, because he was the only one who was trying to restore that place & convert the faithful. The people won't change. All they want is their Mass & a little party once in a while.
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Filipinos are very passive (I grew up in the states so I am different) and so as long as the prior & DS can assure them that nothing will change that everything is fine & dandy, then it's business as usual. The thinking Filipinos who are a minority will sit & observe but they won't rock the boat. It's a cultural thing & I'm the black sheep in the family! Some faithful from Manila have already scolded me. They're fools for the "obedience card" & I say to them: "It is more important to be Catholic than to be Filipino!"
Viva Cristo Rey!!! Viva Immaculata!!!
Death to Vatican II & Modernism!!!
Viva Marcel Lefebvre!!!
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Should we expect much from them when many of their women are ligated & the children listen to Lady Gaga?
It reminded me of when that biddy last visited Dublin, a girl who attends Society chapels had to bake her a cake.She requested a "
blood-splattered wedding cake".It was delivered to the pop concert.
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Filipinos are very passive
True but many are keeping the faith as the world is getting madder by the day. Many flock to the West as a marriage to a Western man offers security or there are good jobs outside of their country. The West is in decay also and all of us are the men among the ruins. It's all part of a much wider problem.
The small groups of Filipinos keeping the faith amidst a rotting society is to be commended though.
There are serious problems. We have to rebuild our Nations based on Traditional Catholicism.
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Thank you Pablo for encouraging me... God bless you.
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Fr. Chazal said a Mass on the street. I think Fr. Pfeiffer served this Mass and took a video.
I couldn't see any faithful at this street Mass. All Trad Cath were singing in the chapel located across the street. The name of this chapel is the OLVC SSPX.
Support these priests!!
I do think we need to support these priests.
However, ...
HOW MANY OF THE FAITHFUL WERE TOLD THAT THESE WONDERFUL PRIESTS WERE GOING TO VISIT THEM??
Having been an SSPX parishioner for many, many years, it would not surprise me that none of the faithful were told these priests would be visiting...
or if they WERE told of the upcoming visit, ... they were not given the essential details, like place or time that the Mass would be said.
I've seen too many schedule flubs from the SSPX in the past to have to at least ask this question.
Yes, but you are too kind with the "schedule flubs" -- not that they don't happen,
for they do, but in this case I'd put it beyond that level. I would go so far as to
say the "schedule flubs," at least some of them, could be deliberate.
The overt proof of this likelihood is the FACT that the faithful are being discouraged
from using the Internet, with specific criticisms of the Internet as a thing that is
inherently untrustworthy.
As my drill sergeant was wont to say, "Let me repeat that: inherently untrustworthy."
Why do I say this? Because to the tyrant, +Fellay, and his Menzingen-deniznens,
the Internet represents a most serious problem, but only if it is USED and only if
the faithful BELIEVE what they see here. Therefore, their consistent agenda has
included sneak-attacks on the Internet's reputation, stealth attacks, dare I say,
ideological terrorist attacks!! :surprised:
As my dear Frenchman would say, "Yes, umhum, that's right, umhum, yes:
ideological terrorist attacks, umhum, yes." I soak it up when he talks that way!
For their well-known attack against the Internet is their PATHETIC, groping effort
to retain their vice-grip of FEAR on the faithful. That's all these miserable creatures
have is their waning, erstwhile vice-grip of FEAR on the faithful. Yes, umhum,
that's right, umhum, yes: their waning, erstwhile vice-grip of FEAR on the faithful,
umhum, yes.
I remain disgusted that nobody assisted the two priests who offered Mass on the streets. I'm not disappointed but disgusted. I don't accept this fear of reprisal argument. Reprisal from whom and what type of reprisal? There comes a point when a line must be drawn in the sand, and people stand their ground.
Two priests who remain loyal to the principles of Archbishop Lefebvre. It's tragic to see them have to offer Mass on the street.
I agree, it is disgusting. And yes, if the faithful would recognize the truth of what is
happening here, they would not kow-tow to the "fear of reprisal argument." This
kind of thing has been going on for years, though, in the SSPX. There have been
so many stories of unjust "disciplinary acts," and they seem to come from various
sources while reporting on the same SSPX pastors or District Superiors (not to
mention the now-infamous Superior General!). I could give a few, but I'm not
eager to spread detraction. But in this case at hand, it obviously concerns the
actions of the DS Fr. Couture, for his name is on the published "Little Pebble"
letter, for all the world to see. And we all know that's not the only instance of
this. It's like the Scriptural descriptions of the miracles of Jesus: He only is
recorded as having raised three men from the dead, but as Fr. Pfeiffer said in
the sermon of 9-09, these are given for our edification, but He no doubt had
raised many more from the dead, even thousands, whose stories we are not
given, for, "...if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not
be able to contain the books that should be written" (Jn xxi. 25).
This reference to Our Lord is highly appropos, for Frs. Chazal and Pfeiffer saying
Mass on the street yesterday touches most poignantly to Our Lord's Carrying of
the Cross on the public streets of Jerusalem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ................
Fr.'s choice of the word, "thousands," gave me a twinge, but then I immediately
remembered that upon His death on the Cross, the graves were opened and
many of the deceased ancestors rose from the dead and appeared to many.
While this may not be literally the same as for the widow's son and Lazarus and
the other man, they are nonetheless raisings from the dead at least akin to Our
Lord's own resurrection. Then, "these three" are set aside and given to us for
our edification, which Fr. Pfeiffer went on to describe in remarkable detail, perhaps
using the writings of St. John Chrysostom or some of the other Doctors of the
Church. I really appreciate his readiness to quote the Doctors. For their writings
are likewise "given for our edification."
I wonder: how long will it be before Msgr. Fellay issues
a decree from Menzingen that Fr. Pfeiffer can no longer
quote the Doctors of the Church in his sermons??
HAHAHAHA
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Oh! Oh! Oh! I know: Msgr. Williamson can mention a sermon of St. Anselm or
St. Chrysostom or St. Athanasius or St. Hilary of Portiers -- just the seed of
the topic! And then Fr. Pfeiffer can READ THE EC in his own sermon, but when
he gets to the point where the Doctor's sermon is mentioned then he can "break
out into a exposee" of this theme, using the very words of the Doctor but
applying them to our current situation! The Menzingen-denizens would be
TERROR-STRUCK at such a device.
Yes, umhum, that's right, umhum, yes: the Menzingen-denizens would be
terror-struck at such a device, umhum, yes, terror-struck, umhum, yes, umhum.
I wouldn't worry about Fathers Pfeiffer and Chazal, God will care for them, but worry about the people who are afraid to follow them. The cult-like aspect of the SSPX, and its power to manipulate the minds of its followers in perverse ways is very tragic, because it's choking out the Catholic Faith in what was supposed to be a sanctuary of Faith.
You can't really be a Catholic and a cultist at the same time.
Oh yes, you can! Join modernist Rome! :pop:
:laugh1: :jester: :laugh1:
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Filipinos are very passive
True but many are keeping the faith as the world is getting madder by the day. Many flock to the West as a marriage to a Western man offers security or there are good jobs outside of their country. The West is in decay also and all of us are the men among the ruins. It's all part of a much wider problem.
The small groups of Filipinos keeping the faith amidst a rotting society is to be commended, though.
There are serious problems. We have to rebuild our Nations based on Traditional Catholicism.
FWIW: my French friend who is teaching me this gentle, reinforcing, rhetorical
technique is a Filippino native man who grew up in a French-speaking part of the
Philippines. Yes, umhum, that's right, umhum, yes..............
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And yes, if the faithful would recognize the truth of what is
happening here, they would not kow-tow to the "fear of reprisal argument." This
kind of thing has been going on for years, though, in the SSPX. There have been
so many stories of unjust "disciplinary acts,"
My great-grandfather, whom I never met worked as a groundsman at a seminary in Ireland. Well a place of formation for a missionary order.It is long gone.
One day the Superior, who had returned from Africa asked him and the men to do a certain job. My great grandfather politely told him it would be better given the good weather if they brought in the hay. The Superior was annoyed and threatened him with the sack.
In the end my great grandfather left instead of being sacked as a point of principle. He told the Superior the crows would fly through the ruins of their seminary. For years it was derelict. My great grand father went to London and spent his days there.
He had his principles and wasn't afraid to tell the Superior he was wrong. It made no sense to do the other task whilst hay was needed to be brought in from the fields.
We are obliged to speak the truth.
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I remain disgusted that nobody assisted the two priests who offered Mass on the streets. I'm not disappointed but disgusted. I don't accept this fear of reprisal argument.Reprisal from whom and what type of reprisal?There comes a point when a line must be drawn in the sand, and people stand their ground.
Two priests who remain loyal to the principles of Archbishop Lefebvre.It's tragic to see them have to offer Mass on the street.
I surmise that there is apparently no threat of expulsion of the Faithful in whatever Chapel you attend for taking an anti-sellout position, but that is not the case in all of the SSPX Chapels. It obviously depends on which side your Pastor is on, and how militant he is about his position.
If you are threatened with expulsion (no longer able to receive the sacraments) and you have no other Chapel option within driving distance, you think long and hard about that decision. In a case like this, where we need the sacraments for salvation, fear and threats definitely work as deterents. In the case of these Korean Faithful, they have the added fear of "what if they get expelled for attending these Masses and then Fathers Pfeiffer and Chazal leave and go back to the US? Then where do they go to Mass?"
Please say an extra prayer for the many people caught in this vise, and thank the Lord that you apparently are not one of them.
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Fr. Chazal said a Mass on the street. I think Fr. Pfeiffer served this Mass and took a video.
I couldn't see any faithful at this street Mass. All Trad Cath were singing in the chapel located across the street. The name of this chapel is the OLVC SSPX.
Support these priests!!
I do think we need to support these priests.
However, ...
HOW MANY OF THE FAITHFUL WERE TOLD THAT THESE WONDERFUL PRIESTS WERE GOING TO VISIT THEM??
Having been an SSPX parishioner for many, many years, it would not surprise me that none of the faithful were told these priests would be visiting...
or if they WERE told of the upcoming visit, ... they were not given the essential details, like place or time that the Mass would be said.
I've seen too many schedule flubs from the SSPX in the past to have to at least ask this question.
That is not what is holding them back. They are being threatened with expulsion if they attend and they fear that will leave them no option for the sacraments, especially if no resistance priests or independent priests remain there to continue their spiritual needs. It's just like how you don't jump off an oceanliner if you don't see any life boats in sight.
At some of the Chapels we are being threatened with expulsion just for talking to others about the situation, and it will be a "cold day in Hell" before the Pastor announces a Mass by either brave priest with the remark that we are free to attend with no repercussions.
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I do realise it might be necessary for some to keep their heads down but there is a time for action also. I imagine the vast majority inside OLVC are anti but will eventually have to take a stand. Whilst time will tell, it's not acceptable to sit on the fence. One is either for the agreement or not. There is no middle way between what is true or false or right or wrong.
Some of us are not on the fence. We are definitely "anti", but to make that known publicly at this point would be spiritual ѕυιcιdє for us. When they sign, we will then make our stance known. To do so now only hurts us.
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http://www.sspxasia.com/Countries/Philippines/OLVC_2012/Sunday_Bulletin/16th_Sunday_after_Pentecost.pdf
http://www.sspxasia.com/Countries/Philippines/OLVC_2012/Main_Page.htm
Please do not expect anything from this Mass center. I have spent more than a year there. The faithful could care less about the buildings much less the priests. Sadly many of the Filipinos there suffer still from a NO mindset. Everything in that priory & church is deteriorating including the Faith. Should we expect much from them when many of their women are ligated & the children listen to Lady Gaga? Fr. Chazal & Fr. Pfeiffer are the only priests that I know who publicly tell the Filipino faithful & not so faithful that they should be having children & as many as God wishes to send them. But Filipinos are stubborn & that is why the RH Bill is just a consequence of a contracepting NO country. I am the only one who is willing to admit this along with these brave priests. I am not afraid to say that Fr. Couture has taken advantage of the Filipino culture & mindset to secure his position & funds for Asia. Look at the video! Look at the deplorable condition of the church. It speaks volumes of the deplorable state of the souls who go there. My husband was the only one who cared enough to hire a dump truck to rid the church of the mountains of trash that plagued the yard of the priory. Fr. Purdy, the former prior, was transferred by Fr. Couture, because he was the only one who was trying to restore that place & convert the faithful. The people won't change. All they want is their Mass & a little party once in a while.
Then please send the two good padres back home to the US where we will treasure them and give them the respect and support they deserve, including a respectable place to say the Holy Mass.
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And yes, if the faithful would recognize the truth of what is
happening here, they would not kow-tow to the "fear of reprisal argument." This
kind of thing has been going on for years, though, in the SSPX. There have been
so many stories of unjust "disciplinary acts,"
My great-grandfather, whom I never met worked as a groundsman at a seminary in Ireland. Well a place of formation for a missionary order.It is long gone.
One day the Superior, who had returned from Africa asked him and the men to do a certain job. My great grandfather politely told him it would be better given the good weather if they brought in the hay. The Superior was annoyed and threatened him with the sack.
In the end my great grandfather left instead of being sacked as a point of principle. He told the Superior the crows would fly through the ruins of their seminary. For years it was derelict. My great grand father went to London and spent his days there.
He had his principles and wasn't afraid to tell the Superior he was wrong. It made no sense to do the other task whilst hay was needed to be brought in from the fields.
We are obliged to speak the truth.
I quite agree that it was commendable that he stood up for his principles, but in this case, by leaving, he did not deprive himself of the sacraments needed for salvation, so we aren't really comparing apples to apples, as they say.
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And yes, if the faithful would recognize the truth of what is
happening here, they would not kow-tow to the "fear of reprisal argument." This
kind of thing has been going on for years, though, in the SSPX. There have been
so many stories of unjust "disciplinary acts,"
My great-grandfather, whom I never met worked as a groundsman at a seminary in Ireland. Well a place of formation for a missionary order.It is long gone.
One day the Superior, who had returned from Africa asked him and the men to do a certain job. My great grandfather politely told him it would be better given the good weather if they brought in the hay. The Superior was annoyed and threatened him with the sack.
In the end my great grandfather left instead of being sacked as a point of principle. He told the Superior the crows would fly through the ruins of their seminary. For years it was derelict. My great grand father went to London and spent his days there.
He had his principles and wasn't afraid to tell the Superior he was wrong. It made no sense to do the other task whilst hay was needed to be brought in from the fields.
We are obliged to speak the truth.
I quite agree that it was commendable that he stood up for his principles, but in this case, by leaving, he did not deprive himself of the sacraments needed for salvation, so we aren't really comparing apples to apples, as they say.
He did the right thing and that is what matters.
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We are definitely "anti", but to make that known publicly at this point would be spiritual ѕυιcιdє for us. When they sign, we will then make our stance known. To do so now only hurts us.
When they sign what?
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If Bishop Lazo was still alive, he would be outside on the streets right smack in front of OLOVC with the good padres offering the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass too! He lived through the whole VII fraud and he died abandoned by all his NO confreres. Bishop Fellay's unfaithfulness would have broken his heart. He offered his death for the conversion of bishops.
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Fr. Chazal said a mass on the street. I think Fr. Pfeiffer served this mass and took a video.
I couldn't see any faithful at this street mass. All Trad Cath were singing in the chaple located across the street. The name of this chaple is the OLVC SSPX.
Support these priets!!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtncwv_fr-chazal-mass-on-the-street-sept-16th-2012-manila_news
And Bookmark this faithful's video channel, he will upload these Father's Sermons.
Thank you so much for this video.
http://www.dailymotion.com/avec-l-Immaculee#video=xtncwv
It sure tells you where we're at, doesn't it--treating faithful traditional priests as outcasts.... It's a sad time for the SSPX and the faithful.
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And yes, if the faithful would recognize the truth of what is
happening here, they would not kow-tow to the "fear of reprisal argument." This
kind of thing has been going on for years, though, in the SSPX. There have been
so many stories of unjust "disciplinary acts,"
My great-grandfather, whom I never met worked as a groundsman at a seminary in Ireland. Well a place of formation for a missionary order.It is long gone.
One day the Superior, who had returned from Africa asked him and the men to do a certain job. My great grandfather politely told him it would be better given the good weather if they brought in the hay. The Superior was annoyed and threatened him with the sack.
In the end my great grandfather left instead of being sacked as a point of principle. He told the Superior the crows would fly through the ruins of their seminary. For years it was derelict. My great grand father went to London and spent his days there.
He had his principles and wasn't afraid to tell the Superior he was wrong. It made no sense to do the other task whilst hay was needed to be brought in from the fields.
We are obliged to speak the truth.
I quite agree that it was commendable that he stood up for his principles, but in this case, by leaving, he did not deprive himself of the sacraments needed for salvation, so we aren't really comparing apples to apples, as they say.
He did the right thing and that is what matters.
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So he cursed the seminary because of a fight with his boss over what work should be done when?
And what was the principle? My Will Be Done?
Being of entirely Irish stock myself, I've seen and heard a great deal of Irish spite. But this retires the trophy.
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If Bishop Lazo was still alive, he would be outside on the streets right smack in front of OLOVC with the good padres offering the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass too! He lived through the whole VII fraud and he died abandoned by all his NO confreres. Bishop Fellay's unfaithfulness would have broken his heart. He offered his death for the conversion of bishops.
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but it looks like the SSPX under Neo occupation has pulled Bishop Lazo's autobiography "My Return to The Traditional Mass" form its American website within that last few months.
Dead link: http://www.sspx.org/bishop_salvador_lazo/my_return_to_the_traditional_mass.htm
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Yup! They pulled Bishop Lazo's autobiography. I guess it's too hot to handle now that Rome is calling. They only have his Last Will lazo/bishop_lazos_will_funeral.htm
ABL & Bp. Lazo are outdated & do not apply to the New "Traditional-ism". They actually do not fit into the new marketing mold. It's a brand spanking new SSPX $50 million seminary worldly organization. Problem is it still has too many hard liners!
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Fr. Chazal said a Mass on the street. I think Fr. Pfeiffer served this Mass and took a video.
I couldn't see any faithful at this street Mass. All Trad Cath were singing in the chapel located across the street. The name of this chapel is the OLVC SSPX.
Support these priests!!
I do think we need to support these priests.
However, ...
HOW MANY OF THE FAITHFUL WERE TOLD THAT THESE WONDERFUL PRIESTS WERE GOING TO VISIT THEM??
Having been an SSPX parishioner for many, many years, it would not surprise me that none of the faithful were told these priests would be visiting...
or if they WERE told of the upcoming visit, ... they were not given the essential details, like place or time that the Mass would be said.
I've seen too many schedule flubs from the SSPX in the past to have to at least ask this question.
That is not what is holding them back. They are being threatened with expulsion if they attend and they fear that will leave them no option for the sacraments, especially if no resistance priests or independent priests remain there to continue their spiritual needs. It's just like how you don't jump off an oceanliner if you don't see any life boats in sight.
At some of the Chapels we are being threatened with expulsion just for talking to others about the situation, and it will be a "cold day in Hell" before the Pastor announces a Mass by either brave priest with the remark that we are free to attend with no repercussions.
Ahhh. Thank you for the correction. Now I understand. I, also, live in an area where there is no other alternative for Mass or the Sacraments.
I didn't realize the faithful were being threatened. (How SLIMY of these priests who resort to threats to their faithful!!)
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I wouldn't worry about Fathers Pfeiffer and Chazal, God will care for them, but worry about the people who are afraid to follow them. The cult-like aspect of the SSPX, and its power to manipulate the minds of its followers in perverse ways is very tragic, because it's choking out the Catholic Faith in what was supposed to be a sanctuary of Faith.
You can't really be a Catholic and a cultist at the same time.
You seem to be almost obsessed with accusing the SSPX of being cult-like. I see you do it time and time again. You have no idea what you're talking about. Please, cease.
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Funny, I read this less than 5 minutes ago and now here you are!
... I began to take that forum less seriously.
I can imagine it still the same.
At least you don't have to imagine any longer! :wink:
Unless perhaps you're a different person... in which case, nevermind. :cowboy:
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I wouldn't worry about Fathers Pfeiffer and Chazal, God will care for them, but worry about the people who are afraid to follow them. The cult-like aspect of the SSPX, and its power to manipulate the minds of its followers in perverse ways is very tragic, because it's choking out the Catholic Faith in what was supposed to be a sanctuary of Faith.
You can't really be a Catholic and a cultist at the same time.
You seem to be almost obsessed with accusing the SSPX of being cult-like. I see you do it time and time again. You have no idea what you're talking about. Please, cease.
"You seem to be almost obsessed with accusing the SSPX of being cult-like."
I would think Telesphorus 'accusation' was for +fellay and is crack-troops of the neo-SSPX rather than that of ABL SSPX. Their actions of damaged-control around the world is speaking for themselves.
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Funny, I read this less than 5 minutes ago and now here you are!
... I began to take that forum less seriously.
I can imagine it still the same.
At least you don't have to imagine any longer! :wink:
Unless perhaps you're a different person... in which case, nevermind. :cowboy:
I've been here for a while. Don't post often any more though.
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I wouldn't worry about Fathers Pfeiffer and Chazal, God will care for them, but worry about the people who are afraid to follow them. The cult-like aspect of the SSPX, and its power to manipulate the minds of its followers in perverse ways is very tragic, because it's choking out the Catholic Faith in what was supposed to be a sanctuary of Faith.
You can't really be a Catholic and a cultist at the same time.
You seem to be almost obsessed with accusing the SSPX of being cult-like. I see you do it time and time again. You have no idea what you're talking about. Please, cease.
"You seem to be almost obsessed with accusing the SSPX of being cult-like."
I would think Telesphorus 'accusation' was for +fellay and is crack-troops of the neo-SSPX rather than that of ABL SSPX. Their actions of damaged-control around the world is speaking for themselves.
:facepalm:
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And yes, if the faithful would recognize the truth of what is
happening here, they would not kow-tow to the "fear of reprisal argument." This
kind of thing has been going on for years, though, in the SSPX. There have been
so many stories of unjust "disciplinary acts,"
My great-grandfather, whom I never met worked as a groundsman at a seminary in Ireland. Well a place of formation for a missionary order.It is long gone.
One day the Superior, who had returned from Africa asked him and the men to do a certain job. My great grandfather politely told him it would be better given the good weather if they brought in the hay. The Superior was annoyed and threatened him with the sack.
In the end my great grandfather left instead of being sacked as a point of principle. He told the Superior the crows would fly through the ruins of their seminary. For years it was derelict. My great grand father went to London and spent his days there.
He had his principles and wasn't afraid to tell the Superior he was wrong. It made no sense to do the other task whilst hay was needed to be brought in from the fields.
We are obliged to speak the truth.
I quite agree that it was commendable that he stood up for his principles, but in this case, by leaving, he did not deprive himself of the sacraments needed for salvation, so we aren't really comparing apples to apples, as they say.
He did the right thing and that is what matters.
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So he cursed the seminary because of a fight with his boss over what work should be done when?
And what was the principle? My Will Be Done?
Being of entirely Irish stock myself, I've seen and heard a great deal of Irish spite. But this retires the trophy.
I'm disgusted you would mock my late great grandfather in this manner. That is quite a damaging allegation. My grand mother, his daughter is still living and I will be showing your comments towards her late father.
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I wouldn't worry about Fathers Pfeiffer and Chazal, God will care for them, but worry about the people who are afraid to follow them. The cult-like aspect of the SSPX, and its power to manipulate the minds of its followers in perverse ways is very tragic, because it's choking out the Catholic Faith in what was supposed to be a sanctuary of Faith.
You can't really be a Catholic and a cultist at the same time.
You seem to be almost obsessed with accusing the SSPX of being cult-like. I see you do it time and time again. You have no idea what you're talking about. Please, cease.
"You seem to be almost obsessed with accusing the SSPX of being cult-like."
I would think Telesphorus 'accusation' was for +fellay and is crack-troops of the neo-SSPX rather than that of ABL SSPX. Their actions of damaged-control around the world is speaking for themselves.
:facepalm:
no, actually, tele has a problem with the whole of SSPX in his posts.......he did not live through the devastation and after math in the 60's and 70's to really know and appreciate what the SSPX is and why they have such loyalty....imgaine Church after church in your town going haywire and no where to go.....
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I wouldn't worry about Fathers Pfeiffer and Chazal, God will care for them, but worry about the people who are afraid to follow them. The cult-like aspect of the SSPX, and its power to manipulate the minds of its followers in perverse ways is very tragic, because it's choking out the Catholic Faith in what was supposed to be a sanctuary of Faith.
You can't really be a Catholic and a cultist at the same time.
You seem to be almost obsessed with accusing the SSPX of being cult-like. I see you do it time and time again. You have no idea what you're talking about. Please, cease.
"You seem to be almost obsessed with accusing the SSPX of being cult-like."
I would think Telesphorus 'accusation' was for +fellay and is crack-troops of the neo-SSPX rather than that of ABL SSPX. Their actions of damaged-control around the world is speaking for themselves.
:facepalm:
Ok, it seems I was wrong on tele's 'accusation. :sign-surrender:
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no, actually, tele has a problem with the whole of SSPX in his posts.......he did not live through the devastation and after math in the 60's and 70's to really know and appreciate what the SSPX is and why they have such loyalty....imgaine Church after church in your town going haywire and no where to go.....
Belloc, even in the short time I was attending SSPX mass (about 2 years, between 2008 and 2010) I saw changes occurring.
My view of the SSPX as it is now is not of all the priests in the SSPX, which I've made clear many times. It's of the system that currently runs it.
Loyalty has nothing to do with accepting manipulative control freaks who disregard authentic traditionalism when it suits them.
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Blindly accepting double-talk, contradictions from moment to the next, and threatening those who point it out with some sort of ostracism, is wrong, and it is cultish.
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no, actually, tele has a problem with the whole of SSPX in his posts.......he did not live through the devastation and after math in the 60's and 70's to really know and appreciate what the SSPX is and why they have such loyalty....imgaine Church after church in your town going haywire and no where to go.....
Belloc, even in the short time I was attending SSPX mass (about 2 years, between 2008 and 2010) I saw changes occurring.
My view of the SSPX as it is now is not of all the priests in the SSPX, which I've made clear many times. It's of the system that currently runs it.
Loyalty has nothing to do with accepting manipulative control freaks who disregard authentic traditionalism when it suits them.
then, might want to add "some" when talking, so we dont think you hate the SSPX 100% or/and its people...
No doubt, with age and time, changes happen, often bad, sometimes good,etc....
Where do you attend now??
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Why are these two priests in Manila? If they have gone to meet with Fr Couture then shouldn't they be in Singapore? The korea chapel gave Fr Chazal full support. Will he be visiting them?
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Please say an extra prayer for the many people caught in this vise, and thank the Lord that you apparently are not one of them.
:pray:
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When they sign, we will then make our stance known
I am happy to adopt the lets wait and see approach.
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Why are these two priests in Manila? If they have gone to meet with Fr Couture then shouldn't they be in Singapore? The korea chapel gave Fr Chazal full support. Will he be visiting them?
Francisco, Fr. Chazal is based in Manila and Fr. Joe is in Bohol, hence the need to meet with Fr Couture in Manila. As for the korean chapel, I am sure he would and the same goes for Singapore. I have welcomed both Frs back to Singapore and Fr. Joe will be making a route which will cover this part of Asia, i.e. Philippines via Singapore via Malaysia via Korea ?via Japan in october before going back to the US. :cheers:
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Why are these two priests in Manila? If they have gone to meet with Fr Couture then shouldn't they be in Singapore? The korea chapel gave Fr Chazal full support. Will he be visiting them?
Francisco, Fr. Chazal is based in Manila and Fr. Joe is in Bohol, hence the need to meet with Fr Couture in Manila. As for the korean chapel, I am sure he would and the same goes for Singapore. I have welcomed both Frs back to Singapore and Fr. Joe will be making a route which will cover this part of Asia, i.e. Philippines via Singapore via Malaysia via Korea ?via Japan in october before going back to the US. :cheers:
Thanks very much for this info, Chrstnoel 1 !!!