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Offline Geremia

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Status of Avrillé Dominicans?
« on: June 03, 2025, 07:30:40 PM »
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    • What's the status of the status of Avrillé Dominicans now that +Williamson has passed?
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    Re: Status of Avrillé Dominicans?
    « Reply #1 on: June 03, 2025, 08:27:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on June 03, 2025, 07:30:40 PM
    What's the status of the status of Avrillé Dominicans now that +Williamson has passed?

    Probably not much has changed for them. Bp. Williamson was in England in semi-retirement the last few years of his life (he was almost 85 when he died).

    The Dominicans of Avrille have been working with the Resistance, and there are several bishops left. Bp. Faure is right there; I think he works with them the most. But Bp. Zendejas, et al. visits them as well.
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    Re: Status of Avrillé Dominicans?
    « Reply #2 on: June 03, 2025, 09:28:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on June 03, 2025, 08:27:50 PM
    The Dominicans of Avrille have been working with the Resistance, and there are several bishops left. Bp. Faure is right there; I think he works with them the most. But Bp. Zendejas, et al. visits them as well.
    Wasn't +Williamson their direct superior, though? Which particular bishop has taken on that role for them now? Multiples ones can't.
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    Re: Status of Avrillé Dominicans?
    « Reply #3 on: June 04, 2025, 07:42:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on June 03, 2025, 09:28:33 PM
    Wasn't +Williamson their direct superior, though? Which particular bishop has taken on that role for them now? Multiples ones can't.
    Bishop Williams was never their direct superior. If you want more information look here, or feel free to contact them yourself: Welcome - Strengthen Your Faith - DOAF
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    Re: Status of Avrillé Dominicans?
    « Reply #4 on: June 05, 2025, 12:40:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on June 03, 2025, 07:30:40 PM
    What's the status of the status of Avrillé Dominicans now that +Williamson has passed?
    I've been in contact with Fr. Marie-Dominique recently, and nothing has seemed to change. They are still open for vocations and the sort. I haven't asked any specifics of their status however.
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    Re: Status of Avrillé Dominicans?
    « Reply #5 on: June 05, 2025, 06:21:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on June 03, 2025, 09:28:33 PM
    Wasn't +Williamson their direct superior, though? Which particular bishop has taken on that role for them now? Multiples ones can't.
    From what I understand the Dominicans have always been a order that is independent of local bishops and reports directly to the head of the their Abbey who responds to the heads of the Dominican order.  

    If I remember correctly,  there was a huge fiasco when Bishop Felay said he wanted to be in charge of them and have them respond directly to him.  I think that there disagrement to do that was one of the reasons the SSPX disconnected with them.
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    Re: Status of Avrillé Dominicans?
    « Reply #6 on: June 05, 2025, 09:21:10 AM »
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    • I thought Bishop Faure was the Bishop of the Seminary. Maybe now it's another since he had been so ill during COVID.
    There is now Bishop Bellini in Ireland and Bishop Morgan in England, I think so there are Bishops for them.
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    Re: Status of Avrillé Dominicans?
    « Reply #7 on: June 05, 2025, 09:56:46 AM »
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    • :confused: Religious orders don't have bishops as their superiors. Any of them, as far as I know. In fact, when one of its members becomes a bishop, he is no longer a part of the order, since his rank is greater than the order's superior.

    They merely work together with the bishop of the dioceses on which their houses are located. It's not like the bishops interfere with their affairs.

    If I understand correctly, congregations of "pontifical rights" answer to their superior and then to the Pope alone, merely colaborating with diocesan bishops. If a congregation is of "diocesan rights", their answer to the bishop instead of the Pope.

    Groups like the Dominicans have had "pontifical rights" for centuries. In regular times, they had only the Pope above their superior general (or whatever title their leader has).
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    Re: Status of Avrillé Dominicans?
    « Reply #8 on: June 05, 2025, 12:32:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Giovanni Berto on June 05, 2025, 09:56:46 AM
    :confused: Religious orders don't have bishops as their superiors. Any of them, as far as I know. In fact, when one of its members becomes a bishop, he is no longer a part of the order, since his rank is greater than the order's superior.

    They merely work together with the bishop of the dioceses on which their houses are located. It's not like the bishops interfere with their affairs.

    If I understand correctly, congregations of "pontifical rights" answer to their superior and then to the Pope alone, merely colaborating with diocesan bishops. If a congregation is of "diocesan rights", their answer to the bishop instead of the Pope.

    Groups like the Dominicans have had "pontifical rights" for centuries. In regular times, they had only the Pope above their superior general (or whatever title their leader has).
    This was what I was trying to express but couldn't remember the exact terminology. :incense:
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