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Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
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  • Yes the Apostolic Constitution which created 62 missal specially mentions that all prior missals are replaced, with a mention of the 55.  Go read it.
    Incorrect. There is no Apostolic Constitution of Pius XII creating the 1962 Missal; he died in 1958. The 1962 Missal, known as the typical edition, was promulgated under Pope John XXIII following his 1960 motu proprio Rubricarum Instructum, which revised the rubrics of the 1920 Missal. Later, Pope Paul VI promulgated the 1969 Missal (Missale Romanum), but this did not explicitly abrogate earlier editions. In fact, Pope Benedict XVI, in Summorum Pontificuм (7 July 2007, §7), explicitly affirmed that the 1962 Missal “was never juridically abrogated”. Therefore, the pre-1955 and 1962 editions remain lawful forms of the Roman Rite, and no pope ever declared that earlier editions were forbidden or replaced in a juridical sense.


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    Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
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  • POPE JOHN XXIII
    LITTERAE APOSTOLICAE
    MOTU PROPRIO
    NOVUM RUBRICARUM BREVARII ET MISSALIS ROMANI
    CORPUS APPROBATUR

    It has been the constant aim of the Apostolic see, especially since the Council of Trent, to define more accurately and arrange more suitably the body of rubrics by which the Church's public worship is ordered and governered. Thus many things have been emended, changed and added in the course of time. The consequent growth of the system of rubrics has sometimes been unsystematic and detrimental to the original clarity and simplicity of the whole system.
    Hemce, it is not surprising that our Predecessor Pope Pius XII, of happy memory, acceding to the wishes of many of the bishops, should have judged it expedient to reduce the rubrics of the Roman breviary and missal to a simpler form in certain respects. This simplification was enacted by a decree of the Sacred Congregation of Rites dated March 23, 1955.
    Then, in the following year, 1956, when preparatory studies were being conducted for a general liturgical reform, our predecessor decided to survey the opinions of the bishops on the liturgical improvement of the Roman breviary. After duly weighing the answers of the bishops he judged that it was time to attack the problem of a general and systematic revision of the rubrics of the breviary and missal. This question he referred to the special committe of experts who have been appointed to study the general liturgical reform.
    Then the problem became ours. After we had decided, under the inspiration of God, to convene an ecuмenical council, we turned over in our mind what was to be done about this project begun by our predecessor. After mature reflection, we came to the conclusion that the more important principles governing a general liturgical reform should be laid before the memebers of the hierarchy at the forthcoming ecuмenical council, but that the above-mentioned improvement of the rubrics of the breviary and missal should no longer be put off.
    We ourselves, therefore, of our own accord [motu proprio] and with full knowledge, have seen fit to approve by our apostolic authority the body of these rubrics of the Roman breviary and missal prepared by the experts of the Sacred Congregation of Rites and carefully revised by the aforesaid pontifical commission for general liturgical reform. And we decree as follows:
    1. We command that, beginning on the first day of January of next year, 1961, all those who follow the Roman rite shall observe the new code of rubrics of the Roman breviary and missal arranged under three headings - "Genreal Rubrics," "General Rubrics of the Roman Breviary," and "General Rubrics of the Roman Missal" - to be published shortly by our Sacred Congregation of Rites. As for those who observe some other Latin rite, they are bound to conform as soon as possible both to the new code of rubrics and to the calendar, in all those things which are not strictly proper to their own rite.
    2. On the same day, Janurary 1, 1961, the "General Rubrics" of the Roman breviary and missal, as well as the "Additions and Variations" to the rubrics of the Roman breviary and missal according to the bull Divino afflatu of our predecessor St. Pius X, which have hitherto been prefixed to these books, shall become inoperative. As the provisions of the decree, The Reduction of the Rubrics to a Simpler Form , dated March 23, 1955, have been incorporated into this new edition of the rubrics, this general decree of the Sacred Congregation of Rites shall likewise become inoperative. Finally, any decrees and replies on doubtful points issued by the same Congregation which do not agree with this new form of rubrics shall be abrograted.
    3. Likewise, statues, priveleges, indults, and customs of any kind whatsoever, including those that are centenary and immemorial, even if they are worthy of special and individual mention, shall be revoked if they are opposed to these rubrics.
    4. The publishers of liturgical books who are duly approved by the Holy See may prepare new editions of the Roman breviary and missal arranged according to the new code of rubrics. In order to insure the necessary uniformity of the new editions, however, the Sacred Congregation of Rites shall issue special instructions.
    5. In the new editions of the Roman breviary or missal, the texts of the rubrics mentioned in no. 2 above shall be omitted, and the texts of the new rubrics put in their place. That is, the "General Rubrics" and the "General Rubrics fo the Roman Breviary" shall be prefixed to the breviary; and similarly, the "General Rubrics" and the "General Rubrics of the Roman Missal" shall be prefixed to the missal.
    6. Finally, all those whose responsibility it is, shall see to it as soon as possible that the special calendars and propers, whether diocesan or religious, conform to the principles and ideals of the new edition of the rubrics and of the calendar. These calendars and propers are subject to the approval of the Sacred Congregation of Rites.
    Having firmly established these points, we consider it fitting to our apostolic office to add some advice.
    The fact is that this new arrangement of the rubrics has two effects. On the one hand, the whole structure of the rubrics of the Roman breviary and missal is reduced to a better form, distributed in a clearer order and brought together in a single text. On the other hand, some special modifications have also been introduced, by which the divine office is somewhat shortened. This shortening was petitioned by very many bishops, in view especially of the constantly increasing burden of pastoral cares laid upon many priests. In a fatherly spirit we urge these and all who are bound to the recitation of the divine office to make up for any shortening of that office by greater attentiveness and devotion. Moreover, since the reading of the fathers of the Church is sometimes cut down to a certain extent, we earnestly exhort all clergy to be sure to have at hand for reading and meditation the works of the fathers, which are so full of wisdom and piety.
    Now let those things which we have decreed and established by this letter, given of our own accord, be considered as ratified and confirmed, anything to the contrary notwithstanding, including that which is worthy of special and individual mention.

    Given at Rome, at St. Peter's, on the twenty-fifth day of July, in the year 1960, the second of our pontificate.
    John XXIII, Pope
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    Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
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  • POPE JOHN XXIII
    LITTERAE APOSTOLICAE
    MOTU PROPRIO
    NOVUM RUBRICARUM BREVARII ET MISSALIS ROMANI
    CORPUS APPROBATUR

    It has been the constant aim of the Apostolic see, especially since the Council of Trent, to define more accurately and arrange more suitably the body of rubrics by which the Church's public worship is ordered and governered. Thus many things have been emended, changed and added in the course of time. The consequent growth of the system of rubrics has sometimes been unsystematic and detrimental to the original clarity and simplicity of the whole system.

    Hemce, it is not surprising that our Predecessor Pope Pius XII, of happy memory, acceding to the wishes of many of the bishops, should have judged it expedient to reduce the rubrics of the Roman breviary and missal to a simpler form in certain respects. This simplification was enacted by a decree of the Sacred Congregation of Rites dated March 23, 1955.

    Then, in the following year, 1956, when preparatory studies were being conducted for a general liturgical reform, our predecessor decided to survey the opinions of the bishops on the liturgical improvement of the Roman breviary. After duly weighing the answers of the bishops he judged that it was time to attack the problem of a general and systematic revision of the rubrics of the breviary and missal. This question he referred to the special committe of experts who have been appointed to study the general liturgical reform.

    Then the problem became ours. After we had decided, under the inspiration of God, to convene an ecuмenical council, we turned over in our mind what was to be done about this project begun by our predecessor. After mature reflection, we came to the conclusion that the more important principles governing a general liturgical reform should be laid before the memebers of the hierarchy at the forthcoming ecuмenical council, but that the above-mentioned improvement of the rubrics of the breviary and missal should no longer be put off.

    We ourselves, therefore, of our own accord [motu proprio] and with full knowledge, have seen fit to approve by our apostolic authority the body of these rubrics of the Roman breviary and missal prepared by the experts of the Sacred Congregation of Rites and carefully revised by the aforesaid pontifical commission for general liturgical reform. And we decree as follows:

    1. We command that, beginning on the first day of January of next year, 1961, all those who follow the Roman rite shall observe the new code of rubrics of the Roman breviary and missal arranged under three headings - "Genreal Rubrics," "General Rubrics of the Roman Breviary," and "General Rubrics of the Roman Missal" - to be published shortly by our Sacred Congregation of Rites. As for those who observe some other Latin rite, they are bound to conform as soon as possible both to the new code of rubrics and to the calendar, in all those things which are not strictly proper to their own rite.

    2. On the same day, Janurary 1, 1961, the "General Rubrics" of the Roman breviary and missal, as well as the "Additions and Variations" to the rubrics of the Roman breviary and missal according to the bull Divino afflatu of our predecessor St. Pius X, which have hitherto been prefixed to these books, shall become inoperative. As the provisions of the decree, The Reduction of the Rubrics to a Simpler Form , dated March 23, 1955, have been incorporated into this new edition of the rubrics, this general decree of the Sacred Congregation of Rites shall likewise become inoperative. Finally, any decrees and replies on doubtful points issued by the same Congregation which do not agree with this new form of rubrics shall be abrograted.

    3. Likewise, statues, priveleges, indults, and customs of any kind whatsoever, including those that are centenary and immemorial, even if they are worthy of special and individual mention, shall be revoked if they are opposed to these rubrics.

    4. The publishers of liturgical books who are duly approved by the Holy See may prepare new editions of the Roman breviary and missal arranged according to the new code of rubrics. In order to insure the necessary uniformity of the new editions, however, the Sacred Congregation of Rites shall issue special instructions.

    5. In the new editions of the Roman breviary or missal, the texts of the rubrics mentioned in no. 2 above shall be omitted, and the texts of the new rubrics put in their place. That is, the "General Rubrics" and the "General Rubrics fo the Roman Breviary" shall be prefixed to the breviary; and similarly, the "General Rubrics" and the "General Rubrics of the Roman Missal" shall be prefixed to the missal.

    6. Finally, all those whose responsibility it is, shall see to it as soon as possible that the special calendars and propers, whether diocesan or religious, conform to the principles and ideals of the new edition of the rubrics and of the calendar. These calendars and propers are subject to the approval of the Sacred Congregation of Rites.
    Having firmly established these points, we consider it fitting to our apostolic office to add some advice.

    The fact is that this new arrangement of the rubrics has two effects. On the one hand, the whole structure of the rubrics of the Roman breviary and missal is reduced to a better form, distributed in a clearer order and brought together in a single text. On the other hand, some special modifications have also been introduced, by which the divine office is somewhat shortened. This shortening was petitioned by very many bishops, in view especially of the constantly increasing burden of pastoral cares laid upon many priests. In a fatherly spirit we urge these and all who are bound to the recitation of the divine office to make up for any shortening of that office by greater attentiveness and devotion. Moreover, since the reading of the fathers of the Church is sometimes cut down to a certain extent, we earnestly exhort all clergy to be sure to have at hand for reading and meditation the works of the fathers, which are so full of wisdom and piety.

    Now let those things which we have decreed and established by this letter, given of our own accord, be considered as ratified and confirmed, anything to the contrary notwithstanding, including that which is worthy of special and individual mention.

    Given at Rome, at St. Peter's, on the twenty-fifth day of July, in the year 1960, the second of our pontificate.
    John XXIII, Pope
    Thank you.  Pius XII started the process.  All missals prior to the 62 missal are "inoperative" and are abrogated.

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  • Thank you.  Pius XII started the process.  All missals prior to the 62 missal are "inoperative" and are abrogated.
    John XXIII’s 1960 motu proprio (Novum Rubricarum Brevarii et Missalis Romani) only reorganized and simplified the rubrics of the Roman Breviary and Missal. While it declared prior rubrics and contradictory decrees inoperative, it did not abrogate the prayers, Canon, propers, or entire texts of the 1955 or earlier Missals. The 1962 typical edition, published two years later, incorporated these rubrics, but older editions remained valid, lawful, and permitted, which is why Pope Benedict XVI explicitly affirmed in Summorum Pontificuм §7 that the 1962 Missal “was never juridically abrogated.” Pius XII began preparatory reforms, but he did not issue the 1962 Missal and did not abrogate any previous Missal. Any claim that pre-1962 Missals are forbidden or abrogated is therefore factually and canonically incorrect


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  • John XXIII’s 1960 motu proprio (Novum Rubricarum Brevarii et Missalis Romani) only reorganized and simplified the rubrics of the Roman Breviary and Missal. While it declared prior rubrics and contradictory decrees inoperative, it did not abrogate the prayers, Canon, propers, or entire texts of the 1955 or earlier Missals. The 1962 typical edition, published two years later, incorporated these rubrics, but older editions remained valid, lawful, and permitted, 
    :laugh1:  Go read the above.  Missals prior to 62 are inoperative and abrogated.  I highlighted those words.


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    which is why Pope Benedict XVI explicitly affirmed in Summorum Pontificuм §7 that the 1962 Missal “was never juridically abrogated.” Pius XII began preparatory reforms, but he did not issue the 1962 Missal and did not abrogate any previous Missal. Any claim that pre-1962 Missals are forbidden or abrogated is therefore factually and canonically incorrect
    Benedict's comments have nothing to do with the 55 missal.  :facepalm:  Go read the above.  Missals prior to 62 are abrogated.  



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  • Can we all agree that Vatican II will one day be declared null? Fr. G Hesse hinted at that.  

    Why did the Angelus Press print their 1962 missal * (in 2005) which was a product of Modernists?  It could have been so simple to keep the June 1962 Missal (no altered Canon). Were they giving a nod of approval to the Destroyer Council ?

    * [based on The Ideal Missal, revised by S.  P. Juergens ... Belgium]

    I really enjoy my French 1961 Missal. 
    If the previous posts mentions " Jan 1961", why was the Vatican changing missals every 9 months or so thereafter?!!

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