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« Reply #60 on: May 21, 2014, 08:26:48 PM »
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  • Modesty and slacks are irreconcilable, is subjective.

    I would argue that any man who has lustful thoughts when he see woman in slacks has other issues to deal with than lady's wearing pants.

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    « Reply #61 on: May 21, 2014, 08:31:27 PM »
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  • So far, the authorities adduced for the condemnation of women wearing manly attire include:

    1) Ecclesiasticus;

    2) Deuteronomy;

    3) St. Thomas Aquinas;

    4) St. Pio;

    5) Cardinal Siri;

    The authorities cited in favor of permitting women to wear manly attire are:

    1) ?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    « Reply #62 on: May 21, 2014, 08:32:27 PM »
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    Modesty and slacks are irreconcilable, is subjective.

    I would argue that any man who has lustful thoughts when he see woman in slacks has other issues to deal with than lady's wearing pants.


    And based on that comment, I would argue you are incredibly ignorant regarding human nature, the consequences of original sin, and Catholic morality generally.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #63 on: May 21, 2014, 08:43:17 PM »
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  • The way Our Lord wants to give out Holy Communion...



    The way people give out holy communion now.



    If this attire is not appropriate at Church, it's not appropriate anywhere.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #64 on: May 21, 2014, 08:54:03 PM »
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  • The Magisterium has not expressly ruled on the pants because women started using them, around the world, since the 60s. Liberals clerics pleasing pants in women. So do not condemn. But the principles of Catholic moral not allowed women to wear pants.


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    « Reply #65 on: May 21, 2014, 09:01:20 PM »
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    Modest slacks indicate a modest woman.


    Modest slacks indicate a modestly masculinized woman.

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    « Reply #66 on: May 21, 2014, 09:02:42 PM »
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  • I know it is always hard to accept that the Church has never condemned woman for wearing pants. It just hasn't.  St. Thomas talks about woman wearing men's fashion trends. Pants are not just for men. They aren't.  There are woman's slacks, that is, slacks cut and styled for woman specifically. There just are. And many are very modest, they just are.

    The Church has never demanded a dress code for one to be forgiven their sins, just true remorse and firm purpose of amendment. One would have to question Padre Pio's motives for doing so.  An old Italian man from Naples told me that when he was a boy he and his friends hopped on a train to Fogia to go to confession.  Theh waited in line for most of the day. Finally the Padre entered the church. He walked by hundreds of people without saying a word.  He stopped in front of him and his friends and scold them saying "Go home and conf
    ess to your parish priest. I am no circus side show "  he knew their true heart. Perhaps it was the disposition of these woman rather than the clothes on their body.

    This point is mute so I will no longer be replying but the bottom line is woman can lead good and holy lives wearing modest slacks just as they can wearing a skirt or dress. The confession lines at every traditional church I've been to is full of woman wearing long skirts....hhhmmmm????

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    « Reply #67 on: May 21, 2014, 09:31:01 PM »
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    Modest slacks indicate a modest woman.


    A woman who recoils at the idea of wearing pants, makes a modest woman.

    Being a man, you should know this. MEN FOLLOW LINES. PANTS ACCENTUATE LINES. Perhaps you're not too old to just watch this, and see what your fellow men say on the subject.

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/sWKipaNH83E?feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]

    Please pay special attention to quotes from the Saints, especially Saint John Chrysostom.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #68 on: May 21, 2014, 09:49:15 PM »
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  • "The good of our soul is more important than the good of our body; and we have to prefer the spiritual welfare of our neighbor to our bodily comforts.. If a certain kind of dress constitutes a grave and proximate occasion of sin, and endangers the salvation of your soul and others, it is your duty to give it up... O Christian mothers, if you knew what a future of anxieties and perils, of ill-guarded shame you prepare for your sons and daughters, imprudently getting them accustomed to live scantily dressed and making them lose the sense of modesty, you would be ashamed of yourselves and you would dread the harm you are making for yourselves, the harm which you are causing these children, whom Heaven has entrusted to you to be brought up as Christians." (Moral Problems in Fashion Design Pope Pius XII)

    "Yet, no matter how broad and changeable the relative morals of styles may be, there is always an absolute norm to be kept after having heard the admonition of conscience warning against approaching danger: style must never be a proximate occasion of sin." (Pope Pius XII, "Moral Problems in Fashion Design", 1957)

    Pants are a proximate occasion of sin for men. They just are!

    Putting the encyclical in the library.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #69 on: May 21, 2014, 10:14:21 PM »
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    I know it is always hard to accept that the Church has never condemned woman for wearing pants. It just hasn't.  St. Thomas talks about woman wearing men's fashion trends. Pants are not just for men. They aren't.  There are woman's slacks, that is, slacks cut and styled for woman specifically. There just are. And many are very modest, they just are.

    The Church has never demanded a dress code for one to be forgiven their sins, just true remorse and firm purpose of amendment. One would have to question Padre Pio's motives for doing so.  An old Italian man from Naples told me that when he was a boy he and his friends hopped on a train to Fogia to go to confession.  Theh waited in line for most of the day. Finally the Padre entered the church. He walked by hundreds of people without saying a word.  He stopped in front of him and his friends and scold them saying "Go home and conf
    ess to your parish priest. I am no circus side show "  he knew their true heart. Perhaps it was the disposition of these woman rather than the clothes on their body.

    This point is mute so I will no longer be replying but the bottom line is woman can lead good and holy lives wearing modest slacks just as they can wearing a skirt or dress. The confession lines at every traditional church I've been to is full of woman wearing long skirts....hhhmmmm????


    Regarding your 1st paragraph:

    1) Therefore, dresses and brazierres aren't just for women?

    2) By your logic, there can be men's bras?

    3) Such bras will not negate the masculinity of the man wearing them?

    4) Nor ought it to indicate any gender issues?

    Regarding your 2nd paragraph:

    1) You are even willing to question the motives of a saint to adhere to your untenable position?

    2) I might also observe this paragraph to be a bit femenine in tone/tenor; kind of Novus Ordo/mushy/homo-ish.

    3) Perhaps the disposition of these women IS REFLECTED BY THEIR MANLY ATTIRE?  Perhaps you can teach God a good lesson for saying the same thing in Deut/Eccles?

    Regarding your 3rd paragraph:

    1) Could it be that the pants wearing women at your Church don't go to confession?

    2) Could it be that they (like you) will refuse to repent and amend their lives, and therefore confession will do them no good?

    3) Does your modernism extend beyond merely moral evolution into other forms of rebellion against the Church?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #70 on: May 21, 2014, 10:23:01 PM »
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    I don't EVER remember reading anything from ABL or the pre Vatican II church condemning pants on woman.  Modesty in dress, yes.  But no official church statement saying that woman must never ware pants.


    Ekim, I 'll try and look it up, but there was a very well regarded Cardinal (Siri, I believe), who wrote a rather excellent epistle to his entire Diocese in Italy on why women
    should not wear men's clothes--specifically the pants. While I don't recall whether he mentioned it or not, the "uni-sexing" of the garments has been a communist/ illuminati gambit for a long, long time. To get the females to think they can do all the men's jobs (see the "police female" in the picture), and brainwash the males into paying attention to their "feminine side",
    helped grease the slide into open lesbianism and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity-- which was against the law throughout the country.
      Bishop Williamson, of course, has also preached on this (and, of course, has been attacked for it). Well trained Protestant preachers
    ( like Pastor Pete) have also spoken extensively on the mistake of women to dress as men; and vice versa; and the prohibitions against the same issued by God in the bible.


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    « Reply #71 on: May 21, 2014, 10:25:23 PM »
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    I don't EVER remember reading anything from ABL or the pre Vatican II church condemning pants on woman.  Modesty in dress, yes.  But no official church statement saying that woman must never ware pants.


    Ekim, I 'll try and look it up, but there was a very well regarded Cardinal (Siri, I believe), who wrote a rather excellent epistle to his entire Diocese in Italy on why women
    should not wear men's clothes--specifically the pants. While I don't recall whether he mentioned it or not, the "uni-sexing" of the garments has been a communist/ illuminati gambit for a long, long time. To get the females to think they can do all the men's jobs (see the "police female" in the picture), and brainwash the males into paying attention to their "feminine side",
    helped grease the slide into open lesbianism and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity-- which was against the law throughout the country.
      Bishop Williamson, of course, has also preached on this (and, of course, has been attacked for it). Well trained Protestant preachers
    ( like Pastor Pete) have also spoken extensively on the mistake of women to dress as men; and vice versa; and the prohibitions against the same issued by God in the bible.


    Cited back on p.4 of this thread.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #72 on: May 21, 2014, 10:26:58 PM »
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    And, I don't think I need to remind you what we look like, but for the sake of argument...



    (Yes, ladies, it's an old picture, but it's not new either)



    Quite frankly, I don't care for this look of women in the 50's because it is reflective of progressivism and feminism creeping into society and the Church. The short hair, and the dawning of low-cut tops and very short sleeves, reflects this erosion of cultural standards and roles of women. Although this picture was taken long before I was born, I, as a man, still can see it is a beginning corruption and distortion.

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    « Reply #73 on: May 21, 2014, 10:27:01 PM »
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    Notification Concerning Men's Dress Worn by Women, Cardinal Siri (1960):

    "The first signs of our late arriving spring indicate this year a certain increase in the use of men's dress by girls and women, even mothers of families. Up until 1959, in Genoa, such dress usually meant the person was a tourist, but now there seems to be a significant number of girls and women from Genoa itself who are choosing, at least on pleasure trips, to wear men's dress [men's trousers - that is, slacks/pants]. The spreading of this behavior obliges us to give serious consideration to the subject, and we ask those to whom this Notification is addressed to kindly give this problem all the attention it deserves, as befits those aware of being answerable to God... The wearing of men's dress by women affects firstly the woman herself, by changing the feminine psychology proper to women; secondly, it affects the woman as wife of her husband, by tending to vitiate relationships between the sexes; thirdly, it affects the woman as mother of her children by harming her dignity in her children's eyes... In truth, the motive impelling women to wear men's dress is always that of imitating, nay, of competing with the man who is considered stronger, less tied down, more independent. This motivation shows clearly that male dress is the visible aid to bringing about a mental attitude of being 'like a man'. Secondly, ever since men have been men, the clothing a person wears conditions, determines and modifies that person's gestures, attitudes and behavior, such that from merely being worn outside, clothing comes to impose a particular frame of mind inside. Then let us add that a woman wearing men's dress always more or less indicates her reacting to her femininity as though it were inferior [to masculinity] when in fact it is only diverse. The perversion of her psychology is clearly evident. These reasons, summing up many more, are enough to warn us how wrongly women are made to think by the wearing of men's dress... Experience teaches us that when woman is de-feminized, defenses are undermined and weakness increases... The changing of feminine psychology does fundamental and - in the long run - irreparable damage to the family, to conjugal fidelity, to human affections and to human society. True, the effects of wearing unsuitable dress are not all to be seen within a short time. But one must think of what is being slowly and insidiously worn down, torn apart, perverted. Is any satisfying reciprocity between husband and wife imaginable, if feminine psychology be changed? Or is any true education of children imaginable, which is so delicate in its procedure, so woven of imponderable factors in which the mother's intuition and instinct play the decisive part in those tender years? What will these women be able to give their children when they will so long have worn trousers that their self-esteem is determined more by their competing with the men than by their functioning as women? Why, we ask, ever since men have been men - or rather since they became civilized - why have men in all times and places been irresistibly borne to differentiate and divide the functions of the two sexes? Do we not have here strict testimony to the recognition by all mankind of a truth and a law above man? To sum up, wherever women wear men's dress, it is be considered a factor, over the long term, in disintegrating human order."

    Thanks, Sean. I should have read further-- and I should have known you or Neil would have this!
     

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    « Reply #74 on: May 21, 2014, 10:30:46 PM »
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    And, I don't think I need to remind you what we look like, but for the sake of argument...



    (Yes, ladies, it's an old picture, but it's not new either)



    Quite frankly, I don't care for this look of women in the 50's because it is reflective of progressivism and feminism creeping into society and the Church. The short hair, and the dawning of low-cut tops and very short sleeves, reflects this erosion of cultural standards and roles of women. Although this picture was taken long before I was born, I, as a man, still can see it is a beginning corruption and distortion.


    "[A] dress cannot be called decent which is cut deeper than two fingers breadth under the pit of the throat, which does not cover the arms at least to the elbows, and scarcely reaches a bit beyond the knees. Furthermore, dresses of transparent material are improper" [Sacred Congregation of the Council (under Pope Pius XI), January 12, 1930]

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."