I'm getting kind of lost here.  Somebody educate me.

Are some thinking that Francis will, indeed, give the go-ahead to consecrate three new bishops, thereby granting the SSPX a de facto reconciliation, and basically "looking the other way" and disregarding his own TC?

I've said this before, but I have a pet theory that his long-term goal is to drive the TLM out of the dioceses, leave the SSPX more or less alone, and effect some kind of merger between the SSPX and the FSSP (and possibly drawing in other groups such as the ICSSR), creating a separate "church within a church" for TLM adherents.  I'm also thinking that such a "merger" could entail forcing the FSSP to give up the TLM, making them into an Adoremus-type fraternity, and that the priests who object to that would slide on over to the SSPX, and possibly be more or less encouraged to.

Has Francis given any indications whatsoever that he intends to withdraw the various faculties he has given the SSPX, and to tell them "either give up the TLM and 'return to the Church' [sic], or I'll eventually have to excommunicate you, a fortiori if you consecrate new bishops"?  Or something like that.

Somewhat related, do we know what is in the works for the St Jean Vianney group in Campos under Bishop Rifan?  We don't hear much about them anymore.

I’ll believe it when I see it.  If they do consecrate, I suspect it’ll be from among those with modernist leanings. 

I was just in Syracuse two weeks ago for Confirmation. While I think the local Bishop is friendly to the SSPX (the Confirmation ceremony and Mass were at a Diocesan church) the other Bishops in the area must have talked him out of selling the SSPX a church. They will probably sell it to some protestants or muslims instead. 

Welcome to the Blessed Virgin Mary Church and Priory located in the Syracuse, New York area. Previously, the chapel was in Syracuse, and the Academy in Warners - now both are in Warners.

What a shame.  To celebrate the sacraments in a church that regularly blasphemes Our Lord.  What a mockery. 


I think it was Fr Wathen who said that any church where sacrileges were committed must be re-consecrated by a bishop to renew its holiness before the Lord.  Certainly anywhere that the new mass abomination is regularly said qualifies as a desecrated place.  Yet the new-sspx walks right in like there’s no problem…:facepalm:

Is non-possumus a reliable source? What is their track record on predictions and forecasts?

“Walks in like there’s no problem”. Oh you were there? Please tell us exactly how everything happened. What were they supposed to do? Their chapel isn’t even big enough for Sunday Mass. they have an altar set up in the gymnasium of the school. The ceremony was at Transfiguration Church , a big, beautiful old church that hasn’t changed since it was built. They majority of the masses offered there at TLM.
I just converted last year, but I just don’t understand this foaming at the mouth hatred of the SSPX. 60 years of church crisis, and maybe they have wavered a bit but what do you want? Everything perfect and easy for you?
how about some charity?

This American priest was way ahead of the curve, way ahead of +ABL in realizing the desacral

That's really the only important point to all of this.  Is this true or not?  If it's not true, then there is no point discussing a non-event.