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« Reply #75 on: May 23, 2012, 03:08:39 PM »
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    Asia district is pathetic to say the least! I am so sick of the hypocrisy & abuse of power that is currently tolerated. My Holy God have mercy on our priests!!! They have nothing on St. Francis Xavier! Archbishop Lefebvre converted & saved many because of his own sanctity & detachment from power & money. Please remember that SSPX is  a very young order & must be tried by fire & hopefully purged from the top down.

    AJNC & all concerned: I hate to admit it but Asia district is such a poorly neglected apostolate! How should I say this...a vacation place to kick back & hang out. I pray that it survives! The Philippines should be its own district with its own superior because it lacks proper representation & is treated like a charity case. This ticks me off!!! I know I will be singled out for posting this but I really don't care! The truth needs to come out. Anyway, you only need to visit to see for yourselves. :facepalm:

    Our perpetual traveler needs to step down & be replaced by someone with real genuine missionary zeal in the penitential spirit of St. Francis Xavier. And saving souls should take priority over medical missions!!!



    Zorayda,

    I've heard this complaint before, that the Asia District is a shambles.

    Based on everything else that's going on in the SSPX, I've speculated that Asia is a dumping ground for priests who ask too many questions or show independent thinking.  Am I mistaken?

    I know for sure the Asia District is afraid to evangelize "Faith starved" Japan.
    They appear to quiver in fear of the shogun authority displayed by
    Japan's Novus ordo hierarchy.

    Its rumored, that two SSPX priests (brothers) based in the Phillipines,
    are raring to shake-up Japan, if ever given the chance.

    So maybe, +F's hijacking of the SSPX will result in a purging of the weaklings sympathetic to the conciliar mess and bring on a new spirit of evangelization?
    The quality of our priests, not the quantiiy is what will prevail.


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #76 on: May 23, 2012, 03:14:44 PM »
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    I feel sorry for the Asian District. Fr Couture was a disaster in Ireland. What is the main objection with these medical missions? There must be something wrong when local people are critical. A girl from an Irish chapel has volunteered over there. There won't be any improvement whilst that Fr Couture is in charge.He turned people way from the SSPX during his time in Ireland.


    Oh, I'd love to see Father Rostand, the big Frenchman, give Ireland a try.

    He'd grow in humilty, appreciation of stout beers and in grey hairs.


      :dancing:

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    « Reply #77 on: May 23, 2012, 03:40:28 PM »
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  • Speaking of Fr. Rostand, was his recent interview with RemnantNewspaper ever posted here? I can post it if it wasn't. I don't recall seeing it here. Some of the things he said were... well, let's just say "interesting", so as to remain charitable.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #78 on: May 24, 2012, 04:50:05 AM »
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    Based on everything else that's going on in the SSPX, I've speculated that Asia is a dumping ground for priests who ask too many questions or show independent thinking.  Am I mistaken?

    I know for sure the Asia District is afraid to evangelize "Faith starved" Japan.
    They appear to quiver in fear of the shogun authority displayed by
    Japan's Novus ordo hierarchy.

    Its rumored, that two SSPX priests (brothers) based in the Phillipines,
    are raring to shake-up Japan, if ever given the chance.

    So maybe, +F's hijacking of the SSPX will result in a purging of the weaklings sympathetic to the conciliar mess and bring on a new spirit of evangelization?
    The quality of our priests, not the quantiiy is what will prevail.[/color]



    Rumours and speculations, but no facts. Asia district is for priests with the missionary spirit, not particularly suitable for those who are too comfortable staying in their priories and rectories. On Sundays, they can even travel around for about 3 or more Sunday Masses in different locations. And tell me, why should the Asia District fear the Japanese Novus Ordo hierarchy? They have ruffled up the archbishops/bishops in Singapore, Philippines, Malaysia (those that I know of based on official statements in diocesan newspapers). So what makes Japan any different?

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    « Reply #79 on: May 24, 2012, 02:27:32 PM »
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  • Hey Trento! I live in the Philippines and we own property there. I relocated 3 years ago so I see the difference between the apostolate in the west & the apostolate in Asia. I've also traveled around Asia. Right now I am vacationing in the US where my children study. Yes Trento, I am actually a real person & a RC mother of 7. I also know the priests pretty well. We have good Catholic priests but a poorly managed shabby district & to think how big Asia is & yet how very little progress has been made in 20 years. I am only stating the obvious. If you ever have a chance to visit Asia, you will see what I'm talking about.

    Oh & about those medical missions, we don't have converts (notice plural) from those medical projects. These humanitarian events are only held once a year! Poor Filipinos will go because they're free not because they are sponsored by a Catholic organization. There are many medical missions sponsored by multiple organizations throughout Asia.

    The medical mission is a big fund raiser and yet our missions suffer terribly. Maybe if the district superior will start actually visiting the missions, he can see with his own eyes how neglected they are. And maybe if he will start asking Menzingen to send us more experienced priests like Fr. Paul Morgan & we are allowed to keep them long enough to establish strong & stable schools & chapels then maybe we will actually get some where!

    Asia doesn't need sympathy. We need workers!


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    « Reply #80 on: May 24, 2012, 03:05:42 PM »
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    Quote from: Incredulous


    Based on everything else that's going on in the SSPX, I've speculated that Asia is a dumping ground for priests who ask too many questions or show independent thinking.  Am I mistaken?

    I know for sure the Asia District is afraid to evangelize "Faith starved" Japan.
    They appear to quiver in fear of the shogun authority displayed by
    Japan's Novus ordo hierarchy.

    Its rumored, that two SSPX priests (brothers) based in the Phillipines,
    are raring to shake-up Japan, if ever given the chance.

    So maybe, +F's hijacking of the SSPX will result in a purging of the weaklings sympathetic to the conciliar mess and bring on a new spirit of evangelization?
    The quality of our priests, not the quantiiy is what will prevail.[/color]



    Rumours and speculations, but no facts. Asia district is for priests with the missionary spirit, not particularly suitable for those who are too comfortable staying in their priories and rectories. On Sundays, they can even travel around for about 3 or more Sunday Masses in different locations. And tell me, why should the Asia District fear the Japanese Novus Ordo hierarchy? They have ruffled up the archbishops/bishops in Singapore, Philippines, Malaysia (those that I know of based on official statements in diocesan newspapers). So what makes Japan any different?
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    You don't know Japan my friend.
    Nor of the lack of SSPX activity there.

    The only priest in the country who honors our Lord daily with a TLM
    is an 81 year old independent priest, Father John Nariai.

    The Tokyo Diocese has suppressed him by not allowing his TLM in any Diocesean church and from preventing him to go out and offer the Sacraments of Extreme Unction and Baptism.

    There is no SSPX chapel in Japan and barely one Mass per month,
    while Japan with it's Catholic roots and is ripe for re-evangelization.

    In the land of St. Francis Xavier,
    the Mormons are running circles around the SSPX.


     :mad:
     
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    « Reply #81 on: May 24, 2012, 09:58:58 PM »
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    Hey Trento! I live in the Philippines and we own property there. I relocated 3 years ago so I see the difference between the apostolate in the west & the apostolate in Asia. I've also traveled around Asia. Right now I am vacationing in the US where my children study. Yes Trento, I am actually a real person & a RC mother of 7. I also know the priests pretty well. We have good Catholic priests but a poorly managed shabby district & to think how big Asia is & yet how very little progress has been made in 20 years. I am only stating the obvious. If you ever have a chance to visit Asia, you will see what I'm talking about.

    Oh & about those medical missions, we don't have converts (notice plural) from those medical projects. These humanitarian events are only held once a year! Poor Filipinos will go because they're free not because they are sponsored by a Catholic organization. There are many medical missions sponsored by multiple organizations throughout Asia.

    The medical mission is a big fund raiser and yet our missions suffer terribly. Maybe if the district superior will start actually visiting the missions, he can see with his own eyes how neglected they are. And maybe if he will start asking Menzingen to send us more experienced priests like Fr. Paul Morgan & we are allowed to keep them long enough to establish strong & stable schools & chapels then maybe we will actually get some where!

    Asia doesn't need sympathy. We need workers!


    I personally feel that with an SSPX-Rome deal almost in place the future in Asia does not look bright.
    A man from Mumbai was barred by the SSPX priest from the sacraments because he called BpF a "traitor" ( to the Traditionalist cause) on an internet site in 2008. Some of us saw a draft of a letter he wrote sometime back to Cardinal Levada of the CDF with a copy to Cardinal Dias, Prefect Emeritus of PF. He questioned the competency of the SSPX to issue "excommunications" to the faithful, but also gave a brief synopsis of his view of the running of the SSPX Asia District in general with focus on the departure from the Catholic priesthood of two Indian SSPX priests Frs Rajadurai and Alphonse.
    If indeed the letter was finally posted that it is likely that BpF would have seen it. If it is given any credence ( Cardinal Dias is personally aquainted with the writer),
    then changes in the district are bound to occur.

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    « Reply #82 on: May 25, 2012, 12:48:50 AM »
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  • We can't be passive! We must organize & together we must protest any  wholesale sellout of the SSPX. The very fact that Bp. Williamson made some pretty strong statements in Asia makes it clear to all those who were present, that there are deep divisions. Bp. Fellay thinks we're all going to jump on the bandwagon & sell our souls to those perverts who have hijacked Rome. No way!!! I knew this was coming while so many fell asleep because they've grown too comfortable within their trad bubbles, coffee, donuts & all. After 9 years, I've seen the zeal wane.

    I strongly suggest that you hold meetings & confront your priors & pastors in a calm & well organized manner. We need answers & we need transparency. Go from there. Also give them copies of past letters & docuмents by Archbishop Lefebvre & by Bp. Fellay when he was actually against any practical agreement with Rome.


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    « Reply #83 on: May 25, 2012, 02:27:35 AM »
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  • And Trento: why don't you use your real name and reveal where you are really from? At least Fr. Couture knows who I am. My prior told me that if I'm going to post, I should use my real name.

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    « Reply #84 on: May 25, 2012, 08:31:03 AM »
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    We can't be passive! We must organize & together we must protest any  wholesale sellout of the SSPX. The very fact that Bp. Williamson made some pretty strong statements in Asia makes it clear to all those who were present, that there are deep divisions. Bp. Fellay thinks we're all going to jump on the bandwagon & sell our souls to those perverts who have hijacked Rome. No way!!! I knew this was coming while so many fell asleep because they've grown too comfortable within their trad bubbles, coffee, donuts & all. After 9 years, I've seen the zeal wane.

    I strongly suggest that you hold meetings & confront your priors & pastors in a calm & well organized manner. We need answers & we need transparency. Go from there. Also give them copies of past letters & docuмents by Archbishop Lefebvre & by Bp. Fellay when he was actually against any practical agreement with Rome.


    MORE ABOUT ASIA DISTRICT ON THE TIA WEBSITE - PUBLISHED TODAY 25TH MAY.
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    SSPX Singapore Prior: ‘TIA Is Sedevacantist’

    People Commenting

        Dear Tradition in Action,

        This is a reply from my SSPX Prior of Singapore on Fr. Meramo after I sent this out to my parishioners in light of all that is happening.

        I want all to know what is in the minds of these SSPX priests who are for Bp. Fellay.

        Please post this on your site if you deem it worthy.

             God Bless,

             A.C.

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        On Thursday, May 17, 2012, Fr. Laisney wrote:

        Dear A.C.,

        On the internet, one finds ANYTHING, from the Fathers of the Church to the worst heretic. So one needs discernment, and ought not to accept everything for granted! One should systematically avoid bad sites, not only those against morals, but also and even more those against the faith, be them heretics or schismatics.

        Now the site you quote below is sedevacantists, i.e. schismatic. It is most unreliable. I knew Father Meramo; I wrote to him at the time of his departure from SSPX, and he never answered my letters properly. Most of these sedevacantists that I encountered are not capable of reasonable discussion: they think with their emotions, in a simplistic way: that everything and everyone is either all good or all bad; they are incapable of distinctions. Thus they do not conform their thought to reality; they bend reality to their thinking, thus departing from the truth.

        In the present situation, Father Couture’s guidance is the right one: keep the Faith and pray for Bishop Fellay and the Pope. Nothing is yet “signed,” so we should not judge that which we do not know.

        Be sure I pray for you and for your whole family.

             Yours sincerely in Jesus and Mary,

             Father François Laisney


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        The Editor responds:

        Dear A.C.,

        Thank you for sending TIA this letter of the Most Reverend Fr. François Laisney.

        It is curious to see that he commits a blatant error of judgment when he affirms that TIA is sede-vacantist. As anyone can read in our postings on this matter (check here, here, here, here, here, etc), TIA obviously is not sede-vacantist. Nor does Fr. Meramo appear to be so; his homilies and articles in Spanish can be accessed here.

        If it were the case that Fr. Laisney did not know TIA's position, then he should better inform himself before spreading grave accusations against us, since, as he says, “we should not judge that which we do not know.”

        It is probable, however, that he did know who we are. Given his unceremonious use of mendacities to divert attention from answering the accusations of Fr. Meramo, I wonder whether he considers he is exempt from the practice of the 8th Commandment, which obliges all Catholics not to give false witness. If this is the case, I ask: Is a priest of the SSPX by the fact of being a member of this organization, or is Fr. Laisney in particular for some other reason, exempt from obeying the 8th Commandment?

        If he is exempt, I ask: On what grounds?

        If he is not exempt, how can he say a Mass and receive the Body and Blood of Our Lord in the state of sin before making reparation for it and asking forgiveness from  those he calumniated?

        These are question that imperatively came to my mind when I read the mendacities and duplicities of the Most Reverend Fr. François Laisney.

             Cordially,

             A.S. Guimarães

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    « Reply #85 on: May 25, 2012, 08:38:24 AM »
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    It is probable, however, that he did know who we are. Given his unceremonious use of mendacities to divert attention from answering the accusations of Fr. Meramo, I wonder whether he considers he is exempt from the practice of the 8th Commandment, which obliges all Catholics not to give false witness


    This is one of the main problems in the SSPX.


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  • It's worth mentioning Fr Laisney and 'Krahgate'. It is generally believed Bishop Fellay asked him to do something.In doing so, it raised many questions.
     Veritas1961 put some questions to Fr Laisney.




    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=14469
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    Dear Fr Laisney,
    I guess that it is fifteen years or more since we spoke together. I still have fond memories of that meeting, and I thank you once again for the small gift that you presented to me on that occasion. I wish you to bear in mind these opening lines given that you may take what comes after as an attack on your person or your integrity or both. I emphasise now that neither one nor the other is being called into question.
    There follows what is alleged to be a letter from you to an unknown correspondent. It was posted on the English language forum, Ignis Ardens, by “Credo” on December 16, 2010, at 04:07 PM. In posting this purported letter from you, “Credo” made it clear that it had been sent to him anonymously with the request that it be posted on the internet. Viewing the content and deeming it worthy of posting, he did so but he did not guarantee its authenticity for the good reason that ONLY YOU could guarantee that it was your work. After its posting, I took direct communication with “Credo” and asked him did he have any knowledge of either the unknown correspondent or the anonymous person requesting its posting. The answer to both questions was in the negative. In his defence, he pointed out that you were a known figure in the SSPX, that you had addressed a subject that was a major issue in Tradition right now, and he saw nothing that smacked of rumour, hearsay or bad faith in the posting. I would also point out that Ignis Ardens has been in existence for a good number of years and it has earned, unlike other forums in Tradition, a reputation for moderation in expression as well as a deep loyalty to the Catholic heritage handed down by Archbishop Lefebvre.


    My first request of you, then, is to ask you to read the unedited letter below:
    I am apalled at the art to raise unsubstantiated suspicions and calumnies! I quote: "Two of his fellow senior Bishops, Bishop Williamson and Bishop Tissier de Mallerais do not appear to be on any boards representing SSPX assets, which indeed appears odd." Bishop Williamson used to be a member of our association at Winona so long as he was the superior there; he was also on several local associations in the N.E. USA so long as they were served by the seminary. Bishop Tissier was in many companies when he was secretary general. And I was also in many companies when I was district superior in USA, or bursar general. But in the SSPX, we hold positions in companies by virtue of our office in the SSPX, not in our personal name; so when we change office, our successor takes our place in these companies. NOTHING ODD there at all, on the contrary! This is precisely the spirit of poverty and detachment befitting priests and ministers of Christ. Another example of calumnies: "The fact that the SSPX appears to be involved in international financial markets..." Sorry, this is simply not true. Assets management was the purpose of the company mentioned at the previous paragraph; how did "asset management" become "involvement in international financial markets" is precisely how calumnies start... Again, as previous bursar general, I can testify that the SSPX is NOT involved in financial markets speculation or usury of any kind! On the contrary, we strive to avoid the financial world; thus if a chapel has some savings, we organise that it be lent to another chapel that had a debt, either at no interest at all, or at low interest to offset devaluation. Thus even that low interest that one chapel pays still goes to help another chapel's future projects: the collections of the faithful do not go to feed the bankers, but rather to foster good Catholic projects. Maximilian Krah is one of our faithful, and an competent attorney that has helped us many times before in cases mainly dealing with legacies in our favour, contested by others. He successfully defended our rights. He gives us competent "legal counsels" especially in matters of legacies in the German speaking world; there is nothing unusual at that at all, on the contrary (we have similar legal counsels in each big district: France, USA... usually our faithful. Honesty and competence is the criteria, not political views). Note that Mr. Krah's involvement with the CDU consisted in a donation to a convent (Kloster St Marienthal): if that is the only thing you found against him, that is not much to worry... Mr Krah is not a Jew, though he may have some Jєωιѕн friends, which is not uncommon in the legal world. If DICI said that Wolfram Nahrath was linked to neo-nαzιs, it was not because of his link with the NPD, but rather with his link with two other groups (Bishop Fellay told me the names, but I don't remember, one of them has the word "viking" in it), one of them has already been condemned in Germany for being neo-nαzι. Bishop Fellay did the right thing in requesting that he be dismissed. Bishop Williamson obeyed; this also was the right thing. Deo gratias. "Our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places" (Eph 6:12). We fight for the Faith, for the Mass, for the supernatural truth and grace, relying on the testimony of God. Historical facts are not at that level, they rely on the testimony of men, we leave that to the historians. May Our Lady of Fatima help us not to be sidetracked from our duty. Father François Laisney


    A FEW QUESTIONS
    1. Can you please confirm for me that you are the author of this letter?
    2. If the answer is in the negative, can you explain why anybody would undertake to write a letter in your name given that hitherto your name had not been mentioned in the matter of what is now known as “Krahgate”?
    If you did not write this letter, your reply will be put into “The Complete Krahgate File” which is to be found highlighted in red under the “Pinned Threads” section of the “General Discussion” category of Ignis Ardens at http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/i...php?showforum=1 Should you not be the author of the letter, you may rest assured that members of Ignis Ardens and others will begin an exhaustive search for the perpetrator of this wanton lie.


    However, knowing you, I believe that the language and content does appear to coincide with your style, while some of the information given in this letter demonstrates knowledge that was not previously in the public arena and therefore demands explanation. I will as a result present a list of questions to you based exclusively on “your” letter and invite you to reply publicly to them. If I prove to be wrong in this matter of authorship, I will apologise to you on this forum without any kind of mental reservation, and offer a rosary for your intentions by way of reparation.
    1. The opening sentence begins: “I am apalled at the art to raise unsubstantiated suspicions and calumnies!” Forgive me, Father, but I have to ask you to highlight the alleged “calumnies.” In “The Complete Krahgate File,” there are no calumnies of any kind. What has been laid out, by myself and others, are facts that are IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN, CAN BE ACCESSED BY ANYONE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, ARE SITES ABOVE SUSPICION OF ANY KIND (no blogs, no questionable websites etc) AND HENCE ARE IRREFUTABLE. It is upon these substantiated facts (please note, Father, the word “substantiated”) that a series of important questions have been directed towards the final authority in the SSPX, Bishop Fellay. Furthermore these questions have avoided accusation, smear, charge, personal denigration, slander or defamation. Indeed the original posting by “William of Norwich” on this matter at the end of November 2010 ended with this statement: “There is no malice meant or intended in this communication. There is quite simply a tremendous fear for the future of the SSPX and its direction.” Respectful questioning of authority, based upon public docuмentation of unquestionable authenticity and transparency, does not in Catholic moral teaching amount to “calumny.” So: please substantiate by proofs, by examples, not assertions, that these docuмents posted by faithful members of Catholic Tradition contained calumnies.


    2. The second sentence states: “Two of his fellow senior Bishops, Bishop Williamson and Bishop Tissier de Mallerais do not appear to be on any boards representing SSPX assets, which indeed appears odd.” I have used the “Find” function on my computer to seek this sentence within the docuмentation that comprises “The Complete Krahgate File” and I can find it only once: in the letter that you purportedly wrote and which was placed under the heading “Putative Replies.” I can only assume that this phrase appeared in some comment or other of the many hundreds of comments that have been made on Ignis Ardens, or that you have seen this phrase elsewhere in the blogosphere. If it came in such a comment on Ignis Ardens, I have no memory of it. But the issue is that it is only that: a comment and no more. It no more comprises the information brought to light on a number of vital matters concerning the SSPX than your statement that “calumny” appears as information. So: perhaps you can identify the source of this phrase for us?


    3. More importantly, however, is a statement that you make: “But in the SSPX, we hold positions in companies by virtue of our office in the SSPX, not in our personal name; so when we change office, our successor takes our place in these companies. NOTHING ODD there at all, on the contrary!” I think, Father, that you have misunderstood the concerns of the faithful in a number of ways. First, nobody has questioned the need for the SSPX to possess legally established structures to protect its assets so as to further the mission of the Society. Second, most of us who have been SSPX supporters for decades are well aware of the fact that such structures have existed for decades as well. Third, nobody has suggested that there was or is anything irregular in SSPX personnel holding office at different times, for differing durations, and in different legal structures. What is being questioned, and which you have studiously avoided in my honest but respectful opinion, are the following points: First, why is someone like Mr Krah, a layman, of only a few years attendance at SSPX masses, who has a known political profile in Germany, and who has questionable contacts for someone who describes himself as “an unimpeachable catholic” in a position of such important authority? Second, and more importantly, the questions posed about business structures were directed almost exclusively to discovering something about two legal structures, Dello Sarto and the Jaidhofer Privatstiftung, in which Mr Krah is involved, whose role in both is vague at best, and both of which structures are of very recent origin. Dello Sarto was established in 2009 and the Jaidhofer Privatstiftung in 2006, the timeframe during which Mr Krah appeared on the SSPX scene. That you chose not to address these questions, THE ESSENTIAL QUESTIONS OF THE WHOLE KRAHGATE AFFAIR, but talked about various small legal associations in different districts, has not calmed the fears among the faithful worldwide at all. On the contrary, the apparent evasion of such questions has heightened the very “suspicions” that you have deplored! It may be, naturally, that you read the essential posts rapidly and fired off your reply to your unknown correspondent too rapidly. If that is so, you have the opportunity now to present a more considered response to these important matters, and I would urge you to do so because silence will only encourage further speculation – something that is not desired nor desirable.


    4. You state: “Another example of calumnies: “The fact that the SSPX appears to be involved in international financial markets...” Sorry, this is simply not true.” I take it that you mean that the SSPX is NOT involved in international financial markets, and for that information we are both grateful and relieved. However, there was no calumny involved at all. The poster, “William of Norwich,” just said that it “appears to be.” This is NOT a statement of fact, it is a CONDITIONAL statement based on what was found at Link: Dello Sarto AG
    http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl...D813%26prmd%3Db


    5. However another question logically arises. If Dello Sarto is only concerned with “asset management” in the limited sense that you give it, why was the company so recently set up at all and which employed the services of a Zurich based law firm? Their website, http://www.internationallawoffice.com/dire...47-4d5d5e739909 shows that this company is large, high-powered and clearly expensive. It seems to an outsider something like overkill. Moreover, another question remains: why were none of the other “asset management” companies set up years ago by the SSPX not used? What is it about the purpose of Dello Sarto that none of the other structures could cover? And what in the nature of Dello Sarto necessitated the employment of Mr Krah as its manager? Could not a suitably qualified cleric have done this job? After all your description of the work involved - “we strive to avoid the financial world; thus if a chapel has some savings, we organise that it be lent to another chapel that had a debt, either at no interest at all, or at low interest to offset devaluation. Thus even that low interest that one chapel pays still goes to help another chapel's future projects” - does not strike me as particularly onerous nor requiring the services of an internationally connected law firm. Perhaps you would like to clarify these matters in order that we, the faithful, the people who actually supply the money to the SSPX to allow “asset management” to become necessary, have our minds put to rest?



    6. You make this statement: “Again, as previous bursar general, I can testify that the SSPX is NOT involved in financial markets speculation or usury of any kind!” With all due respect, I am sorry to tell you Father that that is not something that you can substantiate. You can certainly say that there was no speculation or usury DURING YOUR TIME as bursar, but you CANNOT testify to something after your bursarship finished. How long has it been since you ceased to be bursar? Five years? Eight years? Ten years? This is not an attack on you, it is only to say that NO PERSON once he has left any post can testify to what happened AFTER his departure. Your good faith is NOT being called into question here. What is being called into question is your competence to make such a wide-ranging assertion.


    7. In reference to Mr Krah you say: “He gives us competent "legal counsels" especially in matters of legacies in the German speaking world.” Upon what do you base this statement regarding his alleged competence? Is it upon what you have personally witnessed through interaction with him, or is it based only upon what you have been told?


    8. You write:“Mr Krah is not a Jew, though he may have some Jєωιѕн friends, which is not uncommon in the legal world.” What is the basis of your statement that Mr Krah is not a Jew? Mr Krah in a statement posted on December 28 2010, at 02:12 PM on Ignis Ardens made a number of statements, but at no point did he deny that he was a Jew? He only asserted that he was a Catholic. Well, Cardinal Lustiger called himself a Catholic, did he not, but he equally asserted that he was a Jew? Given that this was one of the more astonishing statements made by “William of Norwich” does it not strike you as significant that Mr Krah did not make plain his – according to you – non-Jєωιѕн status? It could hardly be construed as the oversight of a very minor detail can it? Moreover, while you assert that Mr Krah is not a Jew, you give no evidence, circuмstantial or otherwise, to support this assertion. You cannot say that he denied it, because in his one and only public statement he has not done so. Nor can you retort that “William of Norwich” is in the same boat as you: making an assertion without any kind of evidence. “William of Norwich” gave the following link by way of support: Link: American Friends of Tel Aviv University
    http://www.aftau.org/site/PageServer?pagen...0_AlumniAuction If you would care to look carefully at all of the photographs available at this link, you will see that every person has been named. I do not believe that one has to be an expert in family names to recognise that they are all Jєωιѕн, at a Jєωιѕн event, in the city with the highest Jєωιѕн population in the world (Israel notwithstanding), and supporting the work of an Israeli university that is dominated by the Israeli security forces which have a long history of anti-Catholic and anti-Christian activity of the most murderous kind. Is it really credible, in the absence of a forthright denial by Mr Krah of being Jєωιѕн, to believe, as you clearly believe, that he was the only NON-JEW present?


    9. A small but related question: You said that “ he MAY have some Jєωιѕн friends.” “William of Norwich” showed beyond any doubt that he DOES through the link just cited. One question, since I assume that you must know Mr Krah to make these statements, is this: would he happen to be a friend of Mischa Morgenbesser, a lawyer with BADERTSCHER Rechtsanwälte AG (Zurich), who is the sole Hebrew speaker with the firm, the firm that advises the SSPX in relation to Dello Sarto? Do you know if this firm was suggested by Mr Krah to the leadership of the SSPX?


    10. In your letter you comment: “Note that Mr. Krah's involvement with the CDU consisted in a donation to a convent (Kloster St Marienthal): if that is the only thing you found against him, that is not much to worry.” My dear Father Laisney, this one sentence alone leads to several questions and which, at the same time, raises questions about your actual knowledge and intimacy with the whole affair. Let me explain. Mr Krah’s involvement with the CDU was NOT limited to seeking a donation for the convent of St. Marienthal. If you went to the link given by “William of Norwich” concerning Mr Krah and his actual relations with the CDU, you would see that according to the “Journal of the Dresdener Union” (the July/August 2005 number) Mr Krah was elected the Pressesprecher, Press Officer, for Dresden’s CDU governing committee in June 2005 with 81.66% of the branch’s membership. Moreover, the May 2006 number of the same “Journal” reveals that he had by then become a member of the editorial board of the “Journal.” Mr Krah’s involvement with politics does not concern me greatly beyond the fact that the CDU is neither Christian in any sense worthy of the name, nor is it democratic in any profound sense. But it is clearly anti-Catholic when it wishes to be, as the occasion when Angela Merkel publicly rebuked the Pope about the so-called “rehabilitation” of Mgr Williamson demonstrates – a public scandal about which the SSPX has said little or nothing, made all the more worrying given the cant of the CDU about the “benefits” of the separation of Church and State. I would invite you to check these details for yourself, but since “William of Norwich” posted the CDU/Krah link it has mysteriously disappeared from the internet. However, one brave Catholic soul had the foresight to save the two files about the CDU cited, and they will be posted to”The Complete Krahgate File” in the near future so that you and others may see the facts for yourself.


    11. There is, however, one surprising thing in your sentence. You make reference to the Kloster St. Marienthal and say that Krah’s only involvement in the CDU was to seek donations for it. Let us leave aside the fact that the St. Marienthal Convent, the oldest women’s Cistercian monastery in Germany, is a conciliar structure and seems to be more a place for hosting conferences on “Justice, Peace, Ecology” and the rest of the conciliar agenda, than a place full of nuns working out their salvation in prayer and sacrifice; let us leave aside also the fact that one wonders why a person who claims to be a traditional Catholic would seek to raise money for a conciliar structure when undoubtedly there are better claims to be made for SSPX structures in Germany; let us leave aside as well that the Convent in question is less than a hour’s drive from Krah’s home, is incredibly beautiful, a glory to the faith, clearly worth a financial fortune if put on the market, and is run by a “Board of Trustees,” the composition of which I have not been able to identify as yet, and come to one crucial question. At NO POINT in “The Complete Krahgate File” or anywhere else on Ignis Ardens was ANY REFERENCE MADE TO THIS CONVENT AND KRAH MAKING AN APPEAL FOR FUNDS FOR IT! The convent is not mentioned in either of the two CDU files that were available online until they disappeared. So your statement is a piece of information that none of us were aware of, and we would invite you to let us know how you came across this information? It may be of little importance, but given that Mr Krah appears to have many fingers in many pies, one can never be sure that that is so.


    12. Although I could ask you another half dozen questions on the basis of your short letter, I will confine myself to just one more. You say in relation to Mr Krah, and by implication to others, that when the SSPX requires legal advice and assistance that “Honesty and competence is the criteria, not political views.” To that I am sure that I speak for all supporters of the SSPX when I say “Amen.” Thus, Mr Krah, if he were both honest and competent and available to the SSPX, would be a good choice irrespective of his political affiliation – and no traditionalist could or would argue with that decision. The problem, however, is twofold. First, Mr Krah’s choice of Matthias Lossmann as counsel for Mgr. Williamson in the trial of April 2010 did not show competence at all. What it demonstrated was a woeful inability or will to find someone who would address the issues pertaining to Williamson’s case: namely the manifest deficiency of German law as it pertained to this particular case. It had nothing effectively to do with so-called “h0Ɩ0cαųst denial” but everything to do with whether or not Mgr. Williamson fell within the bounds of the law being evoked by the Regensburg court. That woeful decision cost Mgr. Williamson a great deal, and we can only speculate as to whether Mr Krah’s clear incompetence was honest or dishonest. On that God alone knows. The second problem with your position of “Honesty and competence is the criteria, not political views” is contradicted by actual facts. Put simply if Mr Krah, appointed by Mgr. Fellay, was good enough for the job, in theory, to deal with Mgr. Williamson’s case in the first instance, despite his open affiliation with the CDU, why was Mr Nahrath, chosen by Williamson in the second instance, unacceptable to Mgr. Fellay. It cannot be seriously argued that Mr Nahrath was not competent in such delicate [in Germany] matters, for his success in Germany, even in 2010, in such questions is a matter of public record. Neither can his honesty be seriously impugned since it is evident that, unlike Messrs. Krah and Lossmann, he risks in a very real way his liberty every time he takes on a “controversial case.” You say that Mr Nahrath was not unacceptable, not because of his affiliation with the NPD, a legal political party in Germany, but with something called “Viking” though you could not remember the name that Mgr. Fellay mentioned to you. The name is, of course, “Viking Youth” which any Google search would have given you. What is remarkable is that Mgr. Fellay should make Nahrath’s political leadership of the Viking Youth the pretext for denying Mgr. Williamson good, honest and legal counsel. The Viking Youth was banned in 1994, sixteen years ago! Would anyone suggest that Fr. Schmidberger was unfit to hold high office in the SSPX because of his activity in a sedevacantist youth group many years ago? Would anyone suggest that Mgr. Lefebvre was unfit to be the founder of the SSPX because he praised Marshal Petain and a number of other political figures, now regarded as “politically incorrect”? I do not think so. Does it not strike you, my dear father, that what Mgr. Williamson required was a decent lawyer; and does it not strike you as unacceptable, as shown in “The Complete Krahgate File”, that Mr Krah – the self-confessed “unimpeachable catholic” - should have made Nahrath’s appointment known to Der Spiegel within the hour of his appointment?


    My dear Father Laisney, I suspect that while you may believe what you have written in this letter, you are acting upon the basis of third hand information. If it was designed to bring serenity to Catholic souls it failed completely. The information and related questions outlined in this email prove, I believe, that there is much still to be unmasked in the Krahgate Affair in the quest for the truth, a truth that the praying, obeying and paying faithful have an absolute right to receive.
    I reiterate what I said at the outset. There is no intention to accuse you of anything improper or immoral. Indeed your entry into the picture with your letter was a surprise to everybody since you had never been mentioned in connection with Krahgate. What I would exhort you to do is to furnish the faithful with answers to the above queries, and to the best of your knowledge and ability. Failing that, perhaps you could ask the SSPX leadership to answer these and other questions in order to bring a peaceful end to what is, quite frankly, one of the most disturbing episodes in the life of Society in decades.

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    « Reply #87 on: May 25, 2012, 10:49:39 AM »
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  • Quote from: John Grace
    It's worth mentioning Fr Laisney and 'Krahgate'. It is generally believed Bishop Fellay asked him to do something.In doing so, it raised many questions.
     Veritas1961 put some questions to Fr Laisney.
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=14469

    Laisney hides behind the word "calumny". And he is one of their star theologians. A priest who attended a retreat conducted by him says that he is holy, brilliant,humble, intellectual and holy. (Did I say holy twice?). But I've heard from three Mass centres here in India that many don't understand what he's saying. Perhaps I shouldn't say that. Calumny?

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    « Reply #88 on: May 25, 2012, 11:11:17 AM »
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  • Quote from: Zorayda
    Hey Trento! I live in the Philippines and we own property there. I relocated 3 years ago so I see the difference between the apostolate in the west & the apostolate in Asia. I've also traveled around Asia. Right now I am vacationing in the US where my children study. Yes Trento, I am actually a real person & a RC mother of 7. I also know the priests pretty well. We have good Catholic priests but a poorly managed shabby district & to think how big Asia is & yet how very little progress has been made in 20 years. I am only stating the obvious. If you ever have a chance to visit Asia, you will see what I'm talking about.

    Oh & about those medical missions, we don't have converts (notice plural) from those medical projects. These humanitarian events are only held once a year! Poor Filipinos will go because they're free not because they are sponsored by a Catholic organization. There are many medical missions sponsored by multiple organizations throughout Asia.

    The medical mission is a big fund raiser and yet our missions suffer terribly. Maybe if the district superior will start actually visiting the missions, he can see with his own eyes how neglected they are. And maybe if he will start asking Menzingen to send us more experienced priests like Fr. Paul Morgan & we are allowed to keep them long enough to establish strong & stable schools & chapels then maybe we will actually get some where!

    Asia doesn't need sympathy. We need workers!


    I thought you would have known more about Asia District. Fr. Morgan was the superior in Philippines before Fr. Couture arrived to take over an expanded District. If you want to make a comparison betwen them, you might as well compare on the growth between Asia and Great Britain. But we both know these two Districts are not only culturally different but, financially vastly different too.

    As for the medical missions, as you have rightly noted, it attracts mostly the poorest of the poor Filipinos. What do you expect poor Filipinos to do when they are even struggling to survive day by day? I believe the SSPX priests and the volunteers will start the spark. Even Mormons and Protestant groups use the same means and much more to pull away Catholics in Latin America. One priest told us the Filipinos are mostly cultural Catholics, and they have no idea at all about dogmas of the faith such as no salvation outside the Church, and the necessity of getting their babies baptized as soon as possible. Then, we can also see the common scenes of girls getting pregnant outside wedlock, with the girls' parents hardly batting an eyelid if their daughters get pregnant before marriage! Not many are as fortunate as you to relocate to the US or have vacation homes in other countries.

    So what do you suggest? Close down the SSPX chapels and priories in the US and UK and move the priests to Asia? I'd love that too, but we know it is not practical. I can certainly agree with your last line, we don't need sympathy, we need workers, and we can also do better with less armchair critics.

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    Hey Trento! I live in the Philippines and we own property there. I relocated 3 years ago so I see the difference between the apostolate in the west & the apostolate in Asia. I've also traveled around Asia. Right now I am vacationing in the US where my children study. Yes Trento, I am actually a real person & a RC mother of 7. I also know the priests pretty well. We have good Catholic priests but a poorly managed shabby district & to think how big Asia is & yet how very little progress has been made in 20 years. I am only stating the obvious. If you ever have a chance to visit Asia, you will see what I'm talking about.

    Oh & about those medical missions, we don't have converts (notice plural) from those medical projects. These humanitarian events are only held once a year! Poor Filipinos will go because they're free not because they are sponsored by a Catholic organization. There are many medical missions sponsored by multiple organizations throughout Asia.

    The medical mission is a big fund raiser and yet our missions suffer terribly. Maybe if the district superior will start actually visiting the missions, he can see with his own eyes how neglected they are. And maybe if he will start asking Menzingen to send us more experienced priests like Fr. Paul Morgan & we are allowed to keep them long enough to establish strong & stable schools & chapels then maybe we will actually get some where!

    Asia doesn't need sympathy. We need workers!


    I thought you would have known more about Asia District. Fr. Morgan was the superior in Philippines before Fr. Couture arrived to take over an expanded District. If you want to make a comparison betwen them, you might as well compare on the growth between Asia and Great Britain. But we both know these two Districts are not only culturally different but, financially vastly different too.

    As for the medical missions, as you have rightly noted, it attracts mostly the poorest of the poor Filipinos. What do you expect poor Filipinos to do when they are even struggling to survive day by day? I believe the SSPX priests and the volunteers will start the spark. Even Mormons and Protestant groups use the same means and much more to pull away Catholics in Latin America. One priest told us the Filipinos are mostly cultural Catholics, and they have no idea at all about dogmas of the faith such as no salvation outside the Church, and the necessity of getting their babies baptized as soon as possible. Then, we can also see the common scenes of girls getting pregnant outside wedlock, with the girls' parents hardly batting an eyelid if their daughters get pregnant before marriage! Not many are as fortunate as you to relocate to the US or have vacation homes in other countries.

    So what do you suggest? Close down the SSPX chapels and priories in the US and UK and move the priests to Asia? I'd love that too, but we know it is not practical. I can certainly agree with your last line, we don't need sympathy, we need workers, and we can also do better with less armchair critics.


    Trenton,

    It is not about the money. I am from SSPX Malaysia. We wanted to expand and even offered to pay for the installments of the new property. In the end the offer was turn down with the excuse that SSPX must own the property and a list of sorry excuses. We even had a vote in the chapel chaired by Fr. Couture to decide if we should move to a bigger and better place or not. Although he public announce with a head count that we have a majority, a month later he wrote us all a memo saying he made recount after the voting and found that we didn't have majority. He didn't want it to happen because the coordinator owns the existing property that we were using for free.  He told us that he can't do anything for Malaysia because the coordinator owns the chapel. The irony is after turning us down he calls my husband up to request for sg$300k for his Singapore baroque church project.  

    Don't side wall us with these stupid remarks about closing SSPX U.S and U.K. We don't need to do that to expand Asia. Money we have. Culture we also have. We don't have good priests or superiors.

    I have a big family. 10 kids. I have to spend around USD50k annually to send my kids overseas for a traditional catholic education. And the cost will rise as more of my children come to age. I am already homeschooling 3 at home. We spend more money here for the kids education than for those in US or UK. The efforts is 3 fold due to currency exchange.

    Give  Zorayda a break, she actually moved back to the phillipines to send her kids to a school that was supposed to be setup by SSPX. But it is a failure. So now she is neither here nor there.

    When we say the priests don't do their jobs, it isn't hearsay. We are the actual victims that deal with these priests face to face.