Author Topic: SSPX UK,FR,SP. bishops dont agree the deal. UK bishop said to me. (Read 22096 times)

trento · « **Reply #60 on:** May 19, 2012, 09:47:12 AM »

Quote from: AJNC

Fr Couture likes AIRLINERS the best, going here, there and everywhere ( except to be seen anywhere near Bishop Williamson!).

Latest picture of Bp Williamson and Fr Couture.

http://www. sspxasia . com/Countries/Philippines/OLVC%202011/Photo%20Gallery/Bishop%20Williamson%202012/images/2.jpg

Fr Couture is also almost always seen beside Bp Williamson during ordinations, so what are you talking about? It seems like you have a personal vendetta against the good Father.

AJNC · « **Reply #61 on:** May 19, 2012, 09:56:04 AM »

Quote from: trento

Quote from: AJNC

Fr Couture likes AIRLINERS the best, going here, there and everywhere ( except to be seen anywhere near Bishop Williamson!).

Latest picture of Bp Williamson and Fr Couture.

http://www. sspxasia . com/Countries/Philippines/OLVC%202011/Photo%20Gallery/Bishop%20Williamson%202012/images/2.jpg

Fr Couture is also almost always seen beside Bp Williamson during ordinations, so what are you talking about? It seems like you have a personal vendetta against the good Father.

Calumny. Personal vendetta. Please yourself.

Ethelred · « **Reply #62 on:** May 19, 2012, 10:32:17 AM »

Quote from: trento

Latest picture of Bp Williamson and Fr Couture.

http://www. sspxasia . com/Countries/Philippines/OLVC%202011/Photo%20Gallery/Bishop%20Williamson%202012/images/2.jpg

Fr Couture is also almost always seen beside Bp Williamson during ordinations, so what are you talking about? It seems like you have a personal vendetta against the good Father.

Pictures can give very wrong impressions. We know for sure however that Fr Couture stands firmly behind Bishop Fellay, unfortunately, and so "naturally" he's not on the side of Bishop Williamson. That's the sad reality. AJNC obviously knows it. So please, dear Trento, don't attack him. He stands behind our brave Bishop Richard "Lionheart" Williamson, whilst the Father does not.

Raphaela · « **Reply #63 on:** May 19, 2012, 11:03:56 AM »

Bishop Willaimson's sermon in South Korea on 15 May 2012 (There are a few words missing in the transcription.)

His Excellency Bishop Williamson, South Korea, 15th May 2012

Just a few words . . . before the Feast of the Ascension the day after tomorrow.

We need to pray a good deal for peace and unity in the Faith. When the Reformation happened there was a terrible division between Catholics and Protestants. When Vatican II took place many Catholic families were torn apart between those who wanted to keep the Faith and those who wanted to go with the modern world.

Today again the Society of Saint Pius X is being strongly pulled towards Vatican II and there may possibly again be a division. It’s very sad and it’s very difficult. It’s a dreadful situation, because the reason for going towards Vatican II is to go back towards Rome, which is good. The problem is that Rome is still . . . Vatican II, and therefore if the Society goes with this Rome, it risks getting on the road to Vatican II.

So there are going to be arguments on both sides and there will be people convinced on both sides. So there is likely again to be division, and the division will sooner or later come here as well. We pray that the Society will not make a mistake, but if it does - I think it’s a mistake - if it does make that mistake, prepare for difficulties. Never cease to pray. Ask the Mother of God for her guidance.

I am very impressed by the little chapel here and I am impressed by the way you’re keeping the Faith in a big modern city, which is not easy. But the more you serve God here, the more angry the devil will be. The devil will do everything he can to shut down this chapel. But there is an old proverb: You cross your bridges when you come to them. Our Lord also says, "Sufficient to the day is the evil thereof." So we’re not going to worry today about tomorrow’s problems. But it is wise to be prepared in case the problems arise. Be prepared for division and for the devil to attempt to destroy this chapel.

Above all, quietly pray, and pray to the Mother of God. God will never abandon the soul who has not first abandoned Him, said Saint Augustine. And therefore, if you wish to stay with God, God will not let you go.

You all of you know how much Dr. Kim has done for this chapel and so this Mass is being offered for her intentions and the intentions of all the chapel, so that if possible the chapel may continue for the glory and love of God. But be prepared for the devil to attack. Mary, remember, has him under her feet, she treads on the serpent, and so trust in the Mother of God.

In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

trento · « **Reply #64 on:** May 19, 2012, 11:27:52 AM »

Quote from: Ethelred

Pictures can give very wrong impressions. We know for sure however that Fr Couture stands firmly behind Bishop Fellay, unfortunately, and so "naturally" he's not on the side of Bishop Williamson. That's the sad reality. AJNC obviously knows it. So please, dear Trento, don't attack him. He stands behind our brave Bishop Richard "Lionheart" Williamson, whilst the Father does not.

And, pray tell, how does AJNC 'obviously knows it' besides what he himself claims? Fr Couture has said that he too is waiting for the details to come out before deciding on anything, and in the meantime exhorts all to pray for a good outcome. Is that considered Modernist too?

AJNC · « **Reply #65 on:** May 20, 2012, 12:04:11 AM »

Quote from: trento

Quote from: Ethelred

Pictures can give very wrong impressions. We know for sure however that Fr Couture stands firmly behind Bishop Fellay, unfortunately, and so "naturally" he's not on the side of Bishop Williamson. That's the sad reality. AJNC obviously knows it. So please, dear Trento, don't attack him. He stands behind our brave Bishop Richard "Lionheart" Williamson, whilst the Father does not.

And, pray tell, how does AJNC 'obviously knows it' besides what he himself claims? Fr Couture has said that he too is waiting for the details to come out before deciding on anything, and in the meantime exhorts all to pray for a good outcome. Is that considered Modernist too?

Fifteen years of observation. Not infallible for sure. I'm only posting on this site because it supports Bishop Williamson, who is the only SSPX cleric who has spoken openly against having any deal with the Conciliar Church.

This is what the Forum owner says:

Please pray for Bishop Richard Williamson, a noble prelate whose wisdom and zeal for the truth have inspired many.
Several months ago, the good Bishop was taken from the public eye, and de-facto forced into early retirement.
"I have loved justice and hated iniquity; therefore I die in exile." - Pope Gregory VII

One of the priests of the district has told me what I already felt was the case, that Fr Couture is in favour of the deal. But he has told you that he is waiting for the details to come out before before deciding on anything - fair enough. You have it first hand from him. while I do not

I am praying that the details come out as soon as possible so that all can make the decision.

AJNC · « **Reply #66 on:** May 20, 2012, 12:16:12 AM »

Quote from: Raphaela

Bishop Willaimson's sermon in South Korea on 15 May 2012 (There are a few words missing in the transcription.)

His Excellency Bishop Williamson, South Korea, 15th May 2012

Just a few words . . . before the Feast of the Ascension the day after tomorrow.

We need to pray a good deal for peace and unity in the Faith. When the Reformation happened there was a terrible division between Catholics and Protestants. When Vatican II took place many Catholic families were torn apart between those who wanted to keep the Faith and those who wanted to go with the modern world.

Today again the Society of Saint Pius X is being strongly pulled towards Vatican II and there may possibly again be a division. It’s very sad and it’s very difficult. It’s a dreadful situation, because the reason for going towards Vatican II is to go back towards Rome, which is good. The problem is that Rome is still . . . Vatican II, and therefore if the Society goes with this Rome, it risks getting on the road to Vatican II.

So there are going to be arguments on both sides and there will be people convinced on both sides. So there is likely again to be division, and the division will sooner or later come here as well. We pray that the Society will not make a mistake, but if it does - I think it’s a mistake - if it does make that mistake, prepare for difficulties. Never cease to pray. Ask the Mother of God for her guidance.

I am very impressed by the little chapel here and I am impressed by the way you’re keeping the Faith in a big modern city, which is not easy. But the more you serve God here, the more angry the devil will be. The devil will do everything he can to shut down this chapel. But there is an old proverb: You cross your bridges when you come to them. Our Lord also says, "Sufficient to the day is the evil thereof." So we’re not going to worry today about tomorrow’s problems. But it is wise to be prepared in case the problems arise. Be prepared for division and for the devil to attempt to destroy this chapel.

Above all, quietly pray, and pray to the Mother of God. God will never abandon the soul who has not first abandoned Him, said Saint Augustine. And therefore, if you wish to stay with God, God will not let you go.

You all of you know how much Dr. Kim has done for this chapel and so this Mass is being offered for her intentions and the intentions of all the chapel, so that if possible the chapel may continue for the glory and love of God. But be prepared for the devil to attack. Mary, remember, has him under her feet, she treads on the serpent, and so trust in the Mother of God.

In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

Thanks for this. Bishop Williamson is so open and honest! Note also how he publicly appreciates the hard work put in by a layperson.

Zorayda · « **Reply #67 on:** May 20, 2012, 01:02:01 AM »

Kudos to fellow AJNC!!! You are right on the money about our well-traveled district superior... here, there, and no where??? And I know what I'm talking about! There is serious house cleaning to do within the SSPX starting with abuse of power, position, and mula$$$
:whistleblower:

AJNC · « **Reply #68 on:** May 20, 2012, 01:22:37 AM »

Quote from: Zorayda

Kudos to fellow AJNC!!! You are right on the money about our well-traveled district superior... here, there, and no where??? And I know what I'm talking about! There is serious house cleaning to do within the SSPX starting with abuse of power, position, and mula$$$
:whistleblower:

Praise be Jesus and His most holy Mother!

What will happen to the District? In India, very surprisingly, the opponents of the TLM were the older priests who were formed entirely in Latin! Most of them are dead now. The younger priests are pretty tolerant - more than many of the NO layfolk who are happy with the NOM. But will the dioceses keep the SSPX out "to avoid division"? Some of the mass centers here sprung up because local people had feuds with the diocese. Will they be allowed to continue? The diocese where the priory is situated is familiar with the SSPX and may let it function without any problems.

Do you have any idea about the Philippines - the largest group? Will it be able to go to China and Vietnam? Will the Religious Police of Malaysia and Indonesia grant it clearance?

There are two very fervent priest disciples of Bishop Williamson in the district. May they be the instruments of Providence in our midst!.

Praise the Lord again for your post and may His holy will be done!

Zorayda · « **Reply #69 on:** May 20, 2012, 02:58:08 AM »

Asia district is pathetic to say the least! I am so sick of the hypocrisy & abuse of power that is currently tolerated. My Holy God have mercy on our priests!!! They have nothing on St. Francis Xavier! Archbishop Lefebvre converted & saved many because of his own sanctity & detachment from power & money. Please remember that SSPX is a very young order & must be tried by fire & hopefully purged from the top down.

AJNC & all concerned: I hate to admit it but Asia district is such a poorly neglected apostolate! How should I say this...a vacation place to kick back & hang out. I pray that it survives! The Philippines should be its own district with its own superior because it lacks proper representation & is treated like a charity case. This ticks me off!!! I know I will be singled out for posting this but I really don't care! The truth needs to come out. Anyway, you only need to visit to see for yourselves.

Our perpetual traveler needs to step down & be replaced by someone with real genuine missionary zeal in the penitential spirit of St. Francis Xavier. And saving souls should take priority over medical missions!!!

Francisco · « **Reply #70 on:** May 20, 2012, 09:32:51 PM »

http://resistance-catholique.org/articles_html/2012/05/RC_2012-05-19_QUELQUES-INFORMATIONS-ET-CONSIDERATIONS-SUR-LE-RALLIEMENT-EN-COURS.html

internet translation

The recent diffusion on Internet and in the media of an exchange of mails between Mgr Fellay and the three other bishops seems to have involved a certain panic in the camp of the rallying.
Mgr Bernard Fellay
Mgr Fellay: a discredited chief and more and more isolated!

Already, a few times before, the languages had started to be untied.

The Innocent-Marie Father in one of his recent sermons had fustigated any agreement with modernistic Rome while denouncing directly and by name Mgr Fellay.

While several abbots do not hesitate any more to announce here or there their refusal to accept any rallying, a certain frenzy seized the unconditional partisans of Mgr Fellay who called at once with obedience towards the Superior general “who has only the graces to decide” (sic!). Their cowardice is so coarse that they become pitiful about it.
Whereas they had been opposed to an agreement in 1988, the Dominican teaching ones of Fanjeaux blindly support Mgr Fellay and its process letting predict future particularly dramatic divisions within the schools and certain families.

It is not the case on the other hand of the majority of the contemplative communities. Thus last on May 8, the superiors of Sown in April (Dominican), Morgon (capuchins) and Bellaigue (Benedictines) went to meet Mgr Fellay to try to dissuade it to accept any canonical agreement with the Vatican.

Contrary to several superiors of District (America, Asia, Belgium…) who quickly expressed a support supported towards the Superior general of the FSSPX, the abbot of Cacqueray speaks little. Anxious like the majority of its fellow-members, it is afraid of what Mgr Fellay to soon will impose them. Divided between obedience with its superior and the revulsion which it would have to have to be attached to the Conciliaire church that it exècre, it trembles. Remained deaf with all the received warnings priests and the faithful ones who had for a long time distinguished at Mgr Fellay the will to rejoin conciliar Rome, there is well obliged to go today obviously.

In its rare public appearances (between two return tickets between Menzingen and Rome), Mgr Fellay appears very tended. He and its Assistants make the account of the opponents declared or possible and hold informed from day to day the Vatican of the state of the “reaction”.

Present last Sunday in Austria for confirmations, Mgr Fellay denounced the action of the Devil within the FSSPX! Devil being obviously, according to him, in the camp of those which refuse the rallying!

AJNC · « **Reply #71 on:** May 21, 2012, 09:53:49 AM »

Quote from: Zorayda

Asia district is pathetic to say the least! I am so sick of the hypocrisy & abuse of power that is currently tolerated. My Holy God have mercy on our priests!!! They have nothing on St. Francis Xavier! Archbishop Lefebvre converted & saved many because of his own sanctity & detachment from power & money. Please remember that SSPX is a very young order & must be tried by fire & hopefully purged from the top down.

AJNC & all concerned: I hate to admit it but Asia district is such a poorly neglected apostolate! How should I say this...a vacation place to kick back & hang out. I pray that it survives! The Philippines should be its own district with its own superior because it lacks proper representation & is treated like a charity case. This ticks me off!!! I know I will be singled out for posting this but I really don't care! The truth needs to come out. Anyway, you only need to visit to see for yourselves.

Our perpetual traveler needs to step down & be replaced by someone with real genuine missionary zeal in the penitential spirit of St. Francis Xavier. And saving souls should take priority over medical missions!!!

In 2008 there was a time when some people thought a Rome-SSPX deal was imminent. One priest of the Asia District told me then that he was relieved that no deal occurred as he feared that it would spell the end of the district as the local bishops would not support a "recognised" SSPX.

"Our man in Asia" has of course been cultivating the Novus Ordo hierarchy, notably Cardinal Ranjith of Colombo. I cannot be sure but I have heard that this diocese even sponsors his visa!

When the deal takes place the future of Asia District will be much in the balance, unless, of course, some sweeteners are arranged for the local Novus Ordo.

If so, I wonder who will be chosen for the job. Can you guess ??? !!!!!

trento · « **Reply #72 on:** May 23, 2012, 12:00:45 PM »

Quote from: Zorayda

Asia district is pathetic to say the least! I am so sick of the hypocrisy & abuse of power that is currently tolerated. My Holy God have mercy on our priests!!! They have nothing on St. Francis Xavier! Archbishop Lefebvre converted & saved many because of his own sanctity & detachment from power & money. Please remember that SSPX is a very young order & must be tried by fire & hopefully purged from the top down.

AJNC & all concerned: I hate to admit it but Asia district is such a poorly neglected apostolate! How should I say this...a vacation place to kick back & hang out. I pray that it survives! The Philippines should be its own district with its own superior because it lacks proper representation & is treated like a charity case. This ticks me off!!! I know I will be singled out for posting this but I really don't care! The truth needs to come out. Anyway, you only need to visit to see for yourselves.

Our perpetual traveler needs to step down & be replaced by someone with real genuine missionary zeal in the penitential spirit of St. Francis Xavier. And saving souls should take priority over medical missions!!!

So you think spiritual health was neglected at the medical missions? Think again. http://www.acim-asia.com/Medical_Mission_2012_day5.htm

And probably they should appoint you as the District Superior of Philippines, right? :)

IF I speak with the tongues of men, and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries, and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And if I should distribute all my goods to feed the poor, and if I should deliver my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth with the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Charity never falleth away: whether prophecies shall be made void, or tongues shall cease, or knowledge shall be destroyed. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child. But, when I became a man, I put away the things of a child. We see now through a glass in a dark manner; but then face to face. Now I know I part; but then I shall know even as I am known. And now there remain faith, hope, and charity, these three: but the greatest of these is charity.

1 Corinthians:13

John Grace · « **Reply #73 on:** May 23, 2012, 12:14:45 PM »

I feel sorry for the Asian District. Fr Couture was a disaster in Ireland. What is the main objection with these medical missions? There must be something wrong when local people are critical. A girl from an Irish chapel has volunteered over there. There won't be any improvement whilst that Fr Couture is in charge.He turned people way from the SSPX during his time in Ireland.

trento · « **Reply #74 on:** May 23, 2012, 12:48:06 PM »

Quote from: John Grace

I feel sorry for the Asian District. Fr Couture was a disaster in Ireland. What is the main objection with these medical missions? There must be something wrong when local people are critical. A girl from an Irish chapel has volunteered over there. There won't be any improvement whilst that Fr Couture is in charge.He turned people way from the SSPX during his time in Ireland.

I'm local. Zorayda's not (she's in the US of A btw). How many local people are critical of these medical missions?