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Offline Mr G

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Re: SSPX Trad Culture is Near Dead
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2019, 12:26:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on October 08, 2019, 10:27:05 AM
    I believe that the pillar, the foundation of this SSPX hierarchy mindset of not teaching how to LIVE the faith, this mindset that all that is needed is a beautiful mass, the sacraments and catechism classes, is that they believe that salvation is easy, that anyone in any religion that is a good will be saved, and that all Catholics that go to their masses will be saved just by being there and going to catechism as children. With that mindset it matters little how you dress, or if you flirt, or use contraceptives, or if you have an annulment or are divorced and re-married, ...… The SSPX hierarchy instructs their priests: "those subjects are not to be discussed or you will empty your church!"

    Compare the SSPX (and the Novus Ordo, for they are the same) mindset with the truth:

    When I hear SSPX parishioners say such statements (similar to XavierSem) as "The SSPX will be the salvation of the Church", "The SSPX will restore the Church", etc. I say to them "No it will not, because if the SSPX Priests are afraid to tell a 16 year old girl that she should not come to Mass wearing that short skirt and tight top, then what makes you think they will be brave enough to condemn heretical and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ bishops to their face?" Or, in other words "If the SSPX cannot convert their own "Traditional Catholic" parishioners and students from living a worldly and lukewarm life, then how will they convert those in the Novus Ordo?"
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    Offline Alexandria

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    Re: SSPX Trad Culture is Near Dead
    « Reply #31 on: October 08, 2019, 12:31:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on October 07, 2019, 09:08:04 AM
    It's Vatican II all over again, we are re-living 1965, and in the end there will be a few trads that start things all over again with independent chapels and masses in hotels etc.
    You are absolutely right.
    It breaks my heart because I have watched the entire traditional movement collapse in the space of 30 years,
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    Re: SSPX Trad Culture is Near Dead
    « Reply #32 on: October 08, 2019, 12:33:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on October 07, 2019, 10:15:53 AM
    But you know what? If they are not ready for the conversion and they leave, at least they will always remember what the truth was because it was taught to them. One day when they are ready, they will come back to the place where they got that truth. If however they get what the SSPX is "teaching" today, nothing but superficial Catholicism, they will be worse off, because they will believe that they know Catholicism and that it is irrelevant. That is exactly what happened to all of my family members and friends that went to Catholic schools. There is no way to convert them now, they think they know the Catholic faith already, and it is irrelevant.
    You're right, because I've seen that happen many times.
    By the way, excellent thread.  Thank you for starting it.
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    Re: SSPX Trad Culture is Near Dead
    « Reply #33 on: October 08, 2019, 12:36:53 PM »
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    Exactly, but the new-sspx stopped doing that, gradually, around 8-10 years ago (and maybe much further back).
    They started to change once Bishop Williamson left Winona, and then, in our local chapel, around the year 2000.

    We used to get such hard-hitting sermons.  They were wonderful.  My husband still quotes them often.  They stayed with him even after almost 30 years.  I don't think I've heard a sermon lately that stays with me more than a few hours.


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    Re: SSPX Trad Culture is Near Dead
    « Reply #34 on: October 09, 2019, 08:21:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mr G on October 08, 2019, 12:26:48 PM
    When I hear SSPX parishioners say such statements (similar to XavierSem) as "The SSPX will be the salvation of the Church", "The SSPX will restore the Church", etc. I say to them "No it will not, because if the SSPX Priests are afraid to tell a 16 year old girl that she should not come to Mass wearing that short skirt and tight top, then what makes you think they will be brave enough to condemn heretical and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ bishops to their face?" Or, in other words "If the SSPX cannot convert their own "Traditional Catholic" parishioners and students from living a worldly and lukewarm life, then how will they convert those in the Novus Ordo?"

    Very good point. Reminds me of "Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Mat7:5 
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    Re: SSPX Trad Culture is Near Dead
    « Reply #35 on: October 09, 2019, 08:26:29 AM »
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    • This should be a poster for the SSPX priests to place before their eyes 24/7:




    By their fruits you shall know them

    If the parishioners in your chapel go about town looking like all of the other people of the world, wearing short shorts, tight jeans, tank tops with exposed belly, mini-skirts, bikinis……. If you see the young girls about town holding hands with their “boyfriends” and single girls becoming pregnant, mothers flirting with men or committing adultery…..

    Then your priest is a failure.



    MOST PRIESTS GO TO HELL:

    St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople, Doctor of the Church:

    I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think., I do not think that many priests are saved but that those that perish are far more numerous. The reason is that the office requires a great soul. For there are many things to make a priest swerve from rectitude, and he requires great vigilance on every side. Do you not perceive how many qualities a bishop must have that he may be apt to teach; patient towards the wicked, firm and faithful in teaching the Word? How many difficulties herein. Moreover the loss of others is imputed to him. I need say no more. If but one dies without baptism, does it not entirely endanger his salvation? For the loss of one soul is so great an evil as no man can understand. If the salvation of one soul is of such importance that, for its sake, the Son of God became man and suffered so much, think of the penalty the loss of one soul will entail. (Third Homily, Acts of the Apostles)
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    Re: SSPX Trad Culture is Near Dead
    « Reply #36 on: October 09, 2019, 08:46:43 AM »
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    When I hear SSPX parishioners say such statements (similar to XavierSem) as "The SSPX will be the salvation of the Church", "The SSPX will restore the Church", etc. I say to them "No it will not, because if the SSPX Priests are afraid to tell a 16 year old girl that she should not come to Mass wearing that short skirt and tight top, then what makes you think they will be brave enough to condemn heretical and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ bishops to their face?" Or, in other words "If the SSPX cannot convert their own "Traditional Catholic" parishioners and students from living a worldly and lukewarm life, then how will they convert those in the Novus Ordo?"

    :applause:  Bravo, Mr G!
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