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Re: SSPX Morphing: Perpetual Engagements as Seminarians?
« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2019, 06:11:47 PM »
Didn't Bishop Fellay tell us we did not have to worry about the SSPX ever changing its Statutes as a result of its pursuit of a practical accord with modernist Rome?

Well, here is an excerpt from the SSPX Statutes (1976 version, augmented by the General Chapter of 1982) vs the new policy (which will necessarily result in....changing the Statutes):

"5. The entry into the Fraternity is realized for the clergy through the commitment, publicly expressed before the Superior General or his delegate and before the Blessed Sacrament, to remain faithful to the statutes. This commitment cannot take place before a year of preparation in a house of the Fraternity.

6. Clerics during their formative years up to the sub-diaconate will make annual commitments. From the sub-diaconate they can commit for three years and after a new re-engagement of three years they can make a permanent commitment. For priests who would commit themselves to the Fraternity they must make at least one commitment of three years before their final commitment. The brothers, according to their particular statutes, after six years of temporary vows, that is to say two times three years, make perpetual vows."

NB: The new policy was first announced publicly in December, 2018.  In all likelihood, therefore, it was agreed to change them at the 2018 General Chapter.  The change is certainly related to the pursuit of an accord with modernist Rome (i.e., coming into conformity with the 1983 CIC: With the SSPX now arguing "the state of necessity recedes," they no longer have any theological justification for deviating from the canon law of the conciliar church).

Fr. Girouard on changes to the SSPX Constitutions/Statutes upon the announcement of the creation of two new "Counselor" positions upon the closing of the 2018 General Chapter:

"In other words: Such a change to the Statutes of the Society is a clear indicator that the General Chapter “means business” with the issue of an agreement with non-converted Rome. The Major Superiors have learned the hard way that such a move had to be done with the best tools available, and not hapharzadly like before. They seem to have realized that the original Statutes defining the administrative mechanisms of the Society were not adapted to the requirements of achieving a deal with Rome. Indeed, the tumults experienced since 2012 showed them that such negotiations had to be done more “prudently”, in order to avoid an open resistance from the Society’s rank-and-file members. Therefore, they changed the Statutes, and chose Bp. Fellay and Fr. Schmidberger to fill the new positions.

This is nothing else than a deliberate blinding of the intellect and hardening of the heart. Instead of listening to the serious and compelling arguments of the Resistance against an agreement with non-converted Rome, the General Chapter has decided to change the Statutes so as to get such an official “recognition” from Rome. Let us hope that this imitation of Pharao’s obstinacy will not bring upon the Society the Plagues God had sent to Egypt!"

https://thebastion.faith/a-novelty-in-the-sspx-structure-the-general-councillors/

And so too in the present instance:

A conciliar SSPX needs to be brought into line with conciliar canon law.

That the 1917 CIC had similar legislation regarding engagements is entirely beside the point:

"Necessity is not subject to law."

It was necessity, and not canon law, which formed the basis for the Archbishop's now-abandoned practice.

Likewise, it is the neo-SSPX's denial of necessity which results in its newfound canonical compliance.

Re: SSPX Morphing: Perpetual Engagements as Seminarians?
« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2019, 06:46:03 PM »
They always have a reason. It's always a really good sounding reason. But behind all those really good sounding reasons emerges a pattern of undermining everything they used to do and all the reasons they used to do it. Fr Scott speaks of the wisdom of Abp Lefebvre and the gravity of the engagement. Now we are talking about how everybody else does it and we have to do it too to be a part of the Mystical Body.

Was it a mercy that Abp Lefebvre left the door open a little longer in case priests were not certain of their views of the crisis and would commit less sin or no sin by leaving? These are confusing times, people need more time. It makes perfect sense to me.

Jumping into a perpetual engagement to the SSPX as a young seminarian with many years of change ahead -- the only beneficiary here is FSSP 2.0. And Rome.



Re: SSPX Morphing: Perpetual Engagements as Seminarians?
« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2019, 06:50:47 PM »
What a total joke!

Archbishop Lefebvre delayed the tonsure a year because so many seminarians were coming and going, and now Menz wants to make them take perpetual engagements before major orders?

1) Because Rome requires them to get on board with canon law?

2) To add pressure to keep them from going Resistance later?

Both probably.

And then you get some guy coming on here talking about the canon law as a reason for justifying a move away from the wisdom of ABL?  As though the SSPX had forgotten all about canon law for 45 years?

Pfft...

Do you know how much I care about the canon law, amidst worldwide apostasy, when it is held out as a club to crush resistance to that apostasy?

A thinly veiled legalism to justify another step into Rome (and of course, a bit of moral compulsion) to keep everyone lock-step.


Re: SSPX Morphing: Perpetual Engagements as Seminarians?
« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2019, 07:35:34 PM »
Quite obviously SSPX is being absorbed into the NEW church and has to move from pious union to an officially recognized order.

When the AC arrives SSPX and FSSP will be used to absorb the vast majority of Trads into the one world government and one world religion without a peep. This is going to get ugly, really ugly.

Re: SSPX Morphing: Perpetual Engagements as Seminarians?
« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2019, 07:44:32 PM »
This might be construed as a gross exaggeration, but when reading about how these new neoSSPX jugend, ;) I mean seminarians, are required essentially to pledge their allegiance to Das Menzigen Kirchefuhrer, I mean the neo-SSPX, ::)I confess (mea maxima culpa), this is what first pops into my fevered mind............. :facepalm:



Or in the same vein......