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Offline pearl777

Re: SSPX Morphing: Perpetual Engagements as Seminarians?
« Reply #50 on: May 09, 2019, 10:56:03 AM »
Quote from: X on May 08, 2019, 05:20:38 PM
See attached screenshot (below) for Fr. Scott's explanation of the Archbishop's policy (the Facebook page cannot be copy/pasted).
X,
But it can be printed and saved to a .pdf (wolfishly grinning).
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Offline hollingsworth

Re: SSPX Morphing: Perpetual Engagements as Seminarians?
« Reply #51 on: May 09, 2019, 10:58:08 AM »


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Yes, Hollingsworth, we know how you feel about the Bishop Williamson's optimism. Many of us heard you the first time. And the second time. And the third time. And the fourth time. And...


 

 
Ah, Matthew, so you and the other wordy, loquacious posters and frequent contributors to CI topics never repeat yourselves?
Let me ask you, Matthew, do you personally hold out any hope for the resuscitation of the SSPX? Do you not, like myself, feel that the organization has exhausted its usefulness, and that its time is up?
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Offline Meg

Re: SSPX Morphing: Perpetual Engagements as Seminarians?
« Reply #52 on: May 09, 2019, 11:04:40 AM »
Quote from: XavierSem on May 09, 2019, 09:41:46 AM
SSPX detractors should remember the only essential things: vocations, holiness, Catholic families, the spirit of sacrifice etc. Not finding fault with each and every decision that informed Traditional Catholic Bishops and Priests have decided to make for pursuing those ends.


What you've mentioned above aren't the only essentials, according to Archbishop Lefebvre.
Here's a short video which will remind you of that:

Even though the link says that the video is 'unavailable,' just click under where it says that, on the line that says "watch this video on youtube." and the video will play just fine. 


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Offline homeschoolmom

Re: SSPX Morphing: Perpetual Engagements as Seminarians?
« Reply #53 on: May 09, 2019, 11:48:27 AM »
Quote from: X on May 09, 2019, 10:54:01 AM
Fr. Cekada makes the same argument (and then some), in a rebuttal to Fr. Scott’s article.

Note that Fr. Cekada does not call into question the evident wisdom of Archbishop Lefebvre’s long temporary engagement policy, but rather the suggestion that priests who leave the SSPX are public sinners.

I would have to say that, though I obviously agree with Fr. Scott’s defense/explanation of the Archbishop’s policy, Fr. Cekada shreds the rest of his arguments (pointing out, among other things that, contrary to Fr. Scott’s assertions, the SSPX does not constitute a religious congregation, or even a society of apostolic life, in the canonical sense):

http://www.traditionalmass.org/images/articles/SSPXLegStat.pdf

I tend to avoid his writings and this reminded me of why. Even though I take a negative view of the SSPX's changes and sometimes it hits me emotionally, I do still prefer to read more objective sources if possible.  

This struck me as the religious version of the SSPX marriages abuses. "Well, it's the SSPX and they are nobodies anyway, so it doesn't count."  

Do they truly have no power to bind anyone to anything and never have?

Fr Cekada says they never got the final ok for the union and therefore don't have the power of the Church behind them when they receive these engagement. If that is correct, could that have changed now? Perhaps this new statute is yet another backroom agreement with Rome? Rome has "authorized" the confessions, the marriages, the ordinations, and also the perpetual engagements…?
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Offline Matthew

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Re: SSPX Morphing: Perpetual Engagements as Seminarians?
« Reply #54 on: May 09, 2019, 12:19:19 PM »
Quote from: hollingsworth on May 09, 2019, 10:58:08 AM
Ah, Matthew, so you and the other wordy, loquacious posters and frequent contributors to CI topics never repeat yourselves?
Let me ask you, Matthew, do you personally hold out any hope for the resuscitation of the SSPX? Do you not, like myself, feel that the organization has exhausted its usefulness, and that its time is up?

1. The things I repeat (the standard beliefs of Trad Catholics going back to 1970, etc.) I am proudly and openly repeating. I consider it "preaching the truth in and out of season".  As for *criticisms* which I repeat, for example what is wrong with OLMC, Pablo and Fr. Pfeiffer, A) I try not to repeat the same thing within a month or two span, B) I might "repeat myself" because it's been a year or two, for the sake of new readers and C) I'm not exempt from criticism from the hundreds of CI members. If I ever beat a dead horse, I'm sure someone will mention it! No one's ever been banned by doing so. That certainly falls within the bounds of "legitimate criticism and discussion of ideas with the owner/moderator".

2. Regarding the SSPX. I personally believe the SSPX is extremely advanced in their new direction, and too far gone. It's not just +Fellay, or we might get lucky and have a turnaround. It's a huge percentage of the younger priests, a large chunk of the Faithful, etc. which has succuмbed to the siren song of the Modern World. Furthermore, it's almost 100% of the leadership and higher-ups. That seals the fate of the SSPX right there. Humanly speaking, barring a literal miracle, the SSPX is toast. All we can hope for is that as many priests and faithful will jump ship in the coming years. Of course, we always hope for conversions coming in from any group: the FSSP, the Novus Ordo...

So no, I don't hold out any human hope for the SSPX as an organization. Put a fork in it, it's done.
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