The STAS Letter to Friends and Benefactors by Fr. Le Roux, which I received today, explains that:
"The prize is a Jaguar, not to encourage a disordered concupiscence, but to makee this fundraiser attractive to other people who otherwise perhaps would not contribute to the goal that we have in mind.
Knowing that your personal resources are not unlimited, this "Giveaway" is primarily addressed to people of your acquaintance who ar enot in Tradition and who perhaps could, in this roundabout way, discover it..."
The STAS Letter to Friends and Benefactors by Fr. Le Roux, which I received today, explains that:
"The prize is a Jaguar, not to encourage a disordered concupiscence, but to make this fundraiser attractive to other people who otherwise perhaps would not contribute to the goal that we have in mind.
Knowing that your personal resources are not unlimited, this "Giveaway" is primarily addressed to people of your acquaintance who are not in Tradition and who perhaps could, in this roundabout way, discover it..."
I am wondering whether the practical result of this giveaway, however, is to encourage in people outside of Tradition the very disordered concupiscence which Fr. Le Roux desires not to encourage in those currently within Tradition.
I am very much reminded about the SSPX responses to those who complained 6-7 years ago about all the modern technology and website marketing the neo-SSPX was using:
"Ah, but these websites and internet sites are not for OUR people, but for people outside Tradition."
Was not the practical effect -then as now- to infect BOTH those inside and outside Tradition?
Will those SSPXers selling tickets to those outside Tradition really maintain a contempt for the worldliness such exotic automobiles represent (or will they secretly hope they are the lucky winners)?
Why not auction off a 15-passenger "Catholic Van" instead?Matthew-
Why not auction off a 15-passenger "Catholic Van" instead?
My son referred to these types of vehicles as Trad Assault Vehicles ... TAVs.
My son referred to these types of vehicles as Trad Assault Vehicles ... TAVs.Hahaha Trads have a love-hate relationship with them. I know my wife wants one that doesn't look so standard and commercial, and like every stereotypical Trad in Traddieland. I think there is one main brand that all the Trads get, but a few alternate brands/designs you can get for that vehicle size. I haven't looked into them much; I'd have to ask my wife for the details. All I know is that we're in the market now.
And that they are, if you are still REALLY a trad.I wonder if the next generation of Trads will be like the Baby Boomers, not quite D.I.N.K. or 2 child-level, but not "natural sized" either. Kind of like a repeat of the Baby Boomer generation born in the 40's thru early 60's.
But since the neo-SSPX has been preaching it is no longer practical to have more than 5-6 children in the modern world, the NTAV (Neo-Trad Assault Vehicle) needs to be reduced a level to the old 7-person minivan.
Hahaha Trads have a love-hate relationship with them. I know my wife wants one that doesn't look so standard and commercial, and like every stereotypical Trad in Traddieland. I think there is one main brand that all the Trads get, but a few alternate brands/designs you can get for that vehicle size. I haven't looked into them much; I'd have to ask my wife for the details. All I know is that we're in the market now.
So, long story short, you need a 15-passenger vehicle LONG before one would think.
The car has an MSRP of $39,900The value of this car be "taxable income" in the United States. If the winner doesn't have the cash to pay those taxes, he might have to sell it just to pay the taxes due. Depending upon how much he could get for the car, there may or may not be any cash "left over".
That's half the price of a good starter home. Not talking about down payment, I mean total cost.
You could sell that car, buy a new car with the money, and with the other $15,000 cash left over...
Well, Jaguars aren't what they used to be; they used to be very distinct cars but now look like any Japanese luxury vehicle.I was thinking the same thing. This picture looks like any random higher end car, not even a luxury car.
With the exception of the Chevy Express ... which offered an AWD model ... the vast majority of these have always been rear wheel drive, which isn't ideal for Winter conditions up north.
I have a Ford Transit 150 van (which I bought used as a return from a car rental company) which gets stuck on flat wet grass :facepalm:
TERRIBLE in any amount of snow.
Hold your breath:
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I have a Ford Transit 150 van (which I bought used as a return from a car rental company) which gets stuck on flat wet grass :facepalm:Yeah that's one problem for me -- we live in the country. Snow and ice are a non-issue in our part of Texas, but our driveway is gravel, and we drive on our rolling, bumpy land more often than not. I like something with more of a truck frame than a minivan frame. Something that can pull a utility trailer too.
TERRIBLE in any amount of snow.
The car has an MSRP of $39,900Where in the United States, with good jobs in relative abundance, can you can buy a "starter home" for $80K? Detached home, with a modest yard (front and back), at least two bedrooms, and not in the ghetto?
That's half the price of a good starter home. Not talking about down payment, I mean total cost.
You could sell that car, buy a new car with the money, and with the other $15,000 cash left over...
Where in the United States, with good jobs in relative abundance, can you can buy a "starter home" for $80K? Detached home, with a modest yard (front and back), at least two bedrooms, and not in the ghetto?Indiana.
That will fit a natural, Catholic-sized family where the couple doesn't practice birth control.As noted elsewhere in this thread, the raffle is not directed primarily towards traditional Catholics. Money from outside the movement spends just the same as money from inside the movement. I'm as poor as dirt (in income, not necessarily in assets) and $20 for one ticket is something I'm going to have to give some thought to. Money is tight these days.
...NOT!
A luxury car? Seriously? Why not have 2 more reasonable cars in the raffle instead?
Is a luxury sports car really what Traditional Catholics want? If I won that, the first thing I'd do is sell it so I could buy a practical car for my family. Even if I was buying a car for commuting, I'd pick a truck or something I could haul furniture and other stuff (by the side of the road, free stuff, etc.) In other words, Catholics should be seeking things practical, not luxury or cars that are only good for thrills or breaking the law (speed limit).
Where in the United States, with good jobs in relative abundance, can you can buy a "starter home" for $80K? Detached home, with a modest yard (front and back), at least two bedrooms, and not in the ghetto?
Indiana.
I wonder if the next generation of Trads will be like the Baby Boomers, not quite D.I.N.K. or 2 child-level, but not "natural sized" either. Kind of like a repeat of the Baby Boomer generation born in the 40's thru early 60's.Totally agreed that people who have enriched themselves in the past, through not having had the children they should have had (least of all if they used contraception to this end!), should give some of these riches back. It is ill-gotten gain which justice demands should be repaid in some way.
Boomers rarely had more than 4 children, which (among many other reasons) is why they are so materially prosperous today. They also rarely homeschooled. While Boomers were of childbearing age, homeschooling was rare and fringe. So now that they're in their 60's, the copious amounts of time & money some of them donate to good causes (pro-Life, the Church, etc.) is, let's be honest, the least they can do to help the cause. You can't exactly go back in time and "do the right thing" (lay off the NFP or worse, and let God decide your family size)
Let's put it this way:
GOOD: Retired Baby Boomer with 3 kids (grown, of course) donating $5,000 a month to his Trad chapel, and/or donating a lump sum of $200,000.
BETTER: Gen X or Millennial using no NFP or birth control, wife stays home and homeschools, teaches kids the Faith, and family can only afford to donate $10 a week to the Church collection.
*Note, when I talk family sizes, I'm speaking generally here. I'm not talking about couples with age, fertility or health issues. Generally speaking, a healthy couple that marries before 30 can expect to have more than 4 children. Just look at natural family sizes anywhere in the world, before 1940 or so.
A high-quality car such as this, properly cared for, will last for years and retain much of its value.Jaguars are just luxury cars, they are mechanically high maintenance, really junk compared to a Toyota. They depreciate through the roof! All the opposite of what you think. Jaguars are for suckers who want to show off. The smart people who used their money wisely to become well off, drive a Lexus or to be low key a Toyota or Honda. Those are the cars that are high quality and depreciate the least.
Jaguars are just luxury cars, they are mechanically high maintenance, really junk compared to a Toyota. They depreciate through the roof! All the opposite of what you think. Jaguars are for suckers who want to show off. The smart people who used their money wisely to become well off, drive a Lexus or to be low key a Toyota or Honda. Those are the cars that are high quality and depreciate the least.I did not know that, I thought Jaguars were well-manufactured and of high quality, kind of like a poor man's Rolls-Royce. I have heard many good things about the Lexus and have been considering getting a well-maintained used one through Carmax when that time comes. Right now I foresee driving my "lemony" old Buick until the wheels fall off --- it has degenerated into basically a clean, superficially attractive beater car. Just had to get new brakes on it last week after a road trip where we took back roads all the way home, lest the brakes go out on the interstate, praying it would hold together long enough to get home and get it back to our trusty mechanic. Not good.
Where in the United States, with good jobs in relative abundance, can you can buy a "starter home" for $80K? Detached home, with a modest yard (front and back), at least two bedrooms, and not in the ghetto?
Totally agreed that people who have enriched themselves in the past, through not having had the children they should have had (least of all if they used contraception to this end!), should give some of these riches back. It is ill-gotten gain which justice demands should be repaid in some way.So the woman with only 2 children, who buried 2 shortly after birth and had 6 miscarriages is now judged that her wealth is ILL-GOTTEN and justice demands she should repay it in some way?
So the woman with only 2 children, who buried 2 shortly after birth and had 6 miscarriages is now judged that her wealth is ILL-GOTTEN and justice demands she should repay it in some way?You don't need to be so defensive.
The STAS Letter to Friends and Benefactors by Fr. Le Roux, which I received today, explains that:
"The prize is a Jaguar, not to encourage a disordered concupiscence, but to make this fundraiser attractive to other people who otherwise perhaps would not contribute to the goal that we have in mind.
Knowing that your personal resources are not unlimited, this "Giveaway" is primarily addressed to people of your acquaintance who are not in Tradition and who perhaps could, in this roundabout way, discover it..."
I am wondering whether the practical result of this giveaway, however, is to encourage in people outside of Tradition the very disordered concupiscence which Fr. Le Roux desires not to encourage in those currently within Tradition.
I am very much reminded about the SSPX responses to those who complained 6-7 years ago about all the modern technology and website marketing the neo-SSPX was using:
"Ah, but these websites and internet sites are not for OUR people, but for people outside Tradition."
Was not the practical effect -then as now- to infect BOTH those inside and outside Tradition?
Will those SSPXers selling tickets to those outside Tradition really maintain a contempt for the worldliness such exotic automobiles represent (or will they secretly hope they are the lucky winners)?
Yep; lived there for 3 years and was floored by the cheap (good quality) cost of rel estate.Get into Greater Minnesota, especially Metro St. Cloud. No Twin Cities supermarkets here, so food is cheaper.
Food and utilities also MUCH cheaper than Minnesota.
People were also much nicer.
You don't need to be so defensive.Thank you for the good defense. Incidentally, my wife and I had at least one miscarriage, probably others as well.
He clearly wasn't talking about those in your position:
"people who have enriched themselves in the past, through not having had the children they should have had"
Speaking for most people, miscarriages and other infant mortality are NOT considered by anyone "not having the children you should have had". Who goes up to a woman who's had a miscarriage and shakes their finger, "You should have seen that child to term!" give me a break!
That's a textbook definition of "out of my hands", "God's will" or, the Exception Which Proves the Rule.
I did not know that, I thought Jaguars were well-manufactured and of high quality, kind of like a poor man's Rolls-Royce. I have heard many good things about the Lexus and have been considering getting a well-maintained used one through Carmax when that time comes. Right now I foresee driving my "lemony" old Buick until the wheels fall off --- it has degenerated into basically a clean, superficially attractive beater car. Just had to get new brakes on it last week after a road trip where we took back roads all the way home, lest the brakes go out on the interstate, praying it would hold together long enough to get home and get it back to our trusty mechanic. Not good.Lexus is made by Toyota, it is the same car but has some more fancy features. I'd go with a used Toyota, there are more around to chose used ones from. The Toyota Camry always is at the top of the most sold new cars, so there are plenty of used ones around. The Lexus ES is the fancy version of the Toyota Camry with 6 cylinder engine. I had a 4 cylinder Toyota Camry LE for 14 years and sold it and the person I sold it to still has it 4 years and going and it is running like new. You can put easily 400,000+ miles on them if you just do the oil changes. They are almost indestructible and if you keep it in a garage you can have them forever.
Yes, my wife wants the same. She really likes the new Ford Transits. They're about $50K new, but there are a lot of used ones floating around; they tend not to accuмulate too much mileage.Well, thanks, but I just read in that other thread that my husband is rich, so I'm sure there'll be keys to a 2020 Mercedes Sprinter under the Christmas tree in a few days. :clown:
Here are 2 in your neck of the woods-
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=530984216&LNX=VDPEMLSHRE&LNX=VDPEMLSHRE (https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=530984216&LNX=VDPEMLSHRE&LNX=VDPEMLSHRE)
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=527710514&LNX=VDPEMLSHRE&LNX=VDPEMLSHRE (https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=527710514&LNX=VDPEMLSHRE&LNX=VDPEMLSHRE)
Both are about the same price, with one being slightly older and fewer miles (2016 with 18K), the other slightly newer with more miles (2018 with 35K). In both cases, the manufacturer warranty is close to being over, but the extended warranties through a dealer aren't too bad a deal.
My only problem is that I hate Fords. We had nothing but grief from a Ford Expedition ... and other people tell similar horror stories.
Hey, Matthew, why don't get one of these and hold a CathInfo fund raiser raffle?
Well, thanks, but I just read in that other thread that my husband is rich, so I'm sure there'll be keys to a 2020 Mercedes Sprinter under the Christmas tree in a few days. :clown: