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SSPX doctrinal declaration
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2013, 09:45:17 AM »
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Thanks, Elsa.  I wouldn't say "always," but you got it.  

It might be interesting to see what Levada proposed for changes, still.
Not that it makes any difference, but just to know what they were thinking.

That +F and his cronies (5 denizens), the gang of 6, would have tried to
work with such ridiculous ideas is unconscionable.  They're treating the
Faith of Catholics like an amusement or a diversion, a toy to play with.
It would be nice to have more details, just for the record.  These kinds
of things tend to get lost in history, or, when verifiable facts are not
found in time, later it becomes most challenging to figure out just what
happened.  

That's another reason the issues of The Recusant are going to be of
great value in the future, because they docuмent these things.  Although
it would be better if sources could be identified a bit better.  That takes
more time and resources though.  It's always something, Roseann
Roseanna-Dana.  



SSPX doctrinal declaration
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2013, 10:05:25 AM »
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A lot of good points, here, Machabees...

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With this new leaked Docuмent of Bishop Fellay -the 2012 Doctrinal Declaration- it shows us that the present leaders of the SSPX have a whole new belief and a whole new orientation of religion that had creped in.

Within the contents of the 2012 Doctrinal Declaration, that to state, accept, and believe that Pope Paul VI’s new mass is now “legitimate” in their eyes, when also in the time of Vatican II the “experts” also had 6-protestant ministers to be “advisers” in creating it; to state also, accept, and now believe in the New Code of Canon Law, the expression of Vatican II, and in giving the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist, our Divine Lord himself, to non-Catholics, as with other bad things within it; along with stating, accepting, and believing the heresies contained in Vatican II is now viable, authentic in its teaching, moral, and a path of salvation in its new ecuмenical doctrines that can be “interpreted” in the deposits of Holy Tradition is all BLASPHEMOUS!

In the CNS news interview, Bishop Fellay said that he "accepts 95%" of Vatican II council as good.  Then, in his Official 2012 Doctrinal Declaration he sent to Rome for a signature, he now says that Vatican II can be "interpreted in the light of Tradition" and therefore ALL of Vatican II is good.



As bad as it is, to his "credit," +F was not coming up cold with these things
all of a sudden.  He had given out his 'trial balloons' over the years, to see
(apparently) how much 'resistance' there was to them, and much to the
discredit of the Faithful who should have known better at the time, we did
not call him out on it sufficiently.  Too many of us were complacent.  


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So the next time Bishop Fellay (Menzingen), or other accordist priests, wants to tell us in a conference, or other, that they “uphold” the priesthood, that they “uphold” the Doctrine, and that they “uphold” the Tradition of the Catholic Church as the Council of Trent has taught, as it is taught in the pre-Vatican II Catechism of the Catholic Church, and as Archbishop Lefebvre had taught it to us -is a farce!




You're absolutely right!  We ought to come to such conferences prepared
to put up firm challenges to his false doctrine and thus expose it for what it
is.  

I came across a series of videos from such a conference in 2009, videos
that were uploaded to YouTube in 2011, where he mentions some of these
things in a tiptoeing way, and no one in the audience questioned him on it.

See my post HERE.



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Simply, one cannot have a platform to support, state, and accept a belief of two radically different religions at the same time.




In order to be sane, yes.  This is the trouble with B16's "hermeneutic of
continuity" and the consequences of accepting it.  It denies the principle of
non-contradiction, and the results are going to be insanity.  

It defies all right reason.  It's the work of the devil.  And B16 promoted it.



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For Bishop Fellay to now make “official” this 2012 Doctrinal Declaration as the new SSPX policy, and to punish and expel anyone who does not agree with it, and at the same time, to say that they “uphold” the opposite of values and beliefs of pre-Vatican II Tradition- is incompatible!  Like oil is to water.  It is a Fantasy.  

Over the last year especially, the present leadership of the SSPX shows us that they now choose to “coexist” and harbor with the errors of Vatican II in order just to be “recognized” by a conciliar church (or, is it to be “recognized” just as an excuse to stop fighting the good fight?  God knows.).   All the while, claiming to be pure and innocent in their newly branded sspx.org facelift website ( http://sspx.org/en/hom-slide-identity ), to another group of people who have supported them all of these years,  and who have given to them their sons and daughters in trust and protection in the True Faith for vocations to the service of the Altar of the True God has come to naught in their stewardship.

As Vatican II “opened the door” to the modern world; look what happened.  The SSPX has also “opened the door” to the modern world; and look what happened.  There is a huge breakdown of trust, a huge breakdown of unity, and a huge breakdown of authority.  No one knows what the doctrinal position of their priest is, or of their neighbor next to them in the pew is anymore.  What an identity crisis.  What chaos!
   
So at first, the present leaders of the SSPX change the inside with a new worldly doctrine; then, they change the outside with a new worldly branding.

With observation, as far as the other 9-traditional groups who went into the [beast] of conciliar Rome, they were actually much more honest than the N-SSPX.  The 9-other groups may have had a “good” intention to convert Rome from the “inside”, while trying to be adamant, they said that they will not change one Iota.  The N-SSPX on the other hand is not being honest with us at all.

The others had “waited” for a deal; then once “inside” the [beast] they had changed.  The N-SSPX had desired to change first; then asked for a deal to go “inside” the [beast].

What an eye raising shake of the head.

Our Lord has said, “You know them by their fruits…”.



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