Author Topic: Bishop Fellay did sign a Doctrinal deal with Rome. (Read 3359 times)

John Grace · « **Reply #10 on:** June 16, 2013, 07:34:15 AM »

Quote from: PatrickG

Utter self-delusion and a slow selling out to the Council? I really do think Bp. Fellay was offered to be another Cardinal Burke - scarlet cappa magna and no doctrine. The neo-SSPX will sate themselves on the beauty of the Mass of Ages but none of the substance.

It's surely a terrible time we live in when you might have the outward appearance of Tradition but no doctrine. The SSPX and the other little oysters toddling along beside the Roman Walrus and the Menzingen Carpenter will be helpless. Gobble gobble gobble. A Newmass to fit a Newsociety, but both without any doctrine whatever. The Modernists will inveigle traditionalists out of the shell by false concessions and then they've got us at their mercy.

Cardinal Burke is well respected among sections of SSPX faithful in Ireland.He is pro-life.That is what matters.He is friend of Tradition.

I'm not a fan of Cardinal Burke though am in the minority.You would struggle in Ireland to hear SSPX people speak badly of him.

Burke,Pell and Dolan are three "good guys" in Rome.

hugeman · « **Reply #11 on:** June 16, 2013, 11:51:27 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

If you'll excuse my optimism, I'm forced to conclude that "it could have been worse" without God's intervention/protection. Especially considering the magnitude of the willingness to betray and change the SSPX.

What if Pope Benedict XVI had signed the deal before he resigned?

I don't know what people WANTED to have happen instead of what happened today -- but keep in mind FREE WILL. The individual SSPX Catholics (who want a deal) can't have their Free Will violated, nor can Bp. Fellay, Fr. Pfluger, Krah -- the list goes on.

Remember, Vatican II was the same way. It wasn't just a corruption at the top -- it was a corruption ALL OVER, including and especially the laymen at the bottom. Vatican II is what people wanted all along. They wanted more and more to be accepted by the modern world.

Sounds like the SSPX circa 2011. You can't have more and more worldliness, compromise, and dissonance in the lives of countless SSPX Catholics and still have the SSPX cruise along for decades on end with no problems.

Well, Mathew, I will not question your optimism!! And, we certainly won't question the way Our Lady brought a tremendous halt to the proceedings, using her rosaries like that !
However, a great part of me wishes that it actually happened-- that they publicly signed a deal, that the sodomite and perverted bishops and cardinals and rabbis in Rome and New York City all rose up in great exclamation and welcomed "back" the recalcitrant SSPX-- then we'd have a much better chance of waking people up.
Seems the remnant is getting smaller and smaller. This "slow cooking" of he frog is boiling away the zeal of many formerly "traditional" Catholics.

John Grace · « **Reply #12 on:** June 16, 2013, 12:01:13 PM »

Quote from: hugeman

Quote from: Matthew
If you'll excuse my optimism, I'm forced to conclude that "it could have been worse" without God's intervention/protection. Especially considering the magnitude of the willingness to betray and change the SSPX.

What if Pope Benedict XVI had signed the deal before he resigned?

I don't know what people WANTED to have happen instead of what happened today -- but keep in mind FREE WILL. The individual SSPX Catholics (who want a deal) can't have their Free Will violated, nor can Bp. Fellay, Fr. Pfluger, Krah -- the list goes on.

Remember, Vatican II was the same way. It wasn't just a corruption at the top -- it was a corruption ALL OVER, including and especially the laymen at the bottom. Vatican II is what people wanted all along. They wanted more and more to be accepted by the modern world.

Sounds like the SSPX circa 2011. You can't have more and more worldliness, compromise, and dissonance in the lives of countless SSPX Catholics and still have the SSPX cruise along for decades on end with no problems.

Well, Mathew, I will not question your optimism!! And, we certainly won't question the way Our Lady brought a tremendous halt to the proceedings, using her rosaries like that !
However, a great part of me wishes that it actually happened-- that they publicly signed a deal, that the sodomite and perverted bishops and cardinals and rabbis in Rome and New York City all rose up in great exclamation and welcomed "back" the recalcitrant SSPX-- then we'd have a much better chance of waking people up.
Seems the remnant is getting smaller and smaller. This "slow cooking" of he frog is boiling away the zeal of many formerly "traditional" Catholics.

Our Lady and the letter of the three Bishops gave Rome a fright for certain. Yesterday, I had SSPX laity ask me did I see such and such on EWTN. I didn't as I don't watch it but left me wondering of the calibre of Society priests if laity are influenced by 'Women of Grace'. I am vaguely aware of Johnnette S. Benkovic. I would have to question the likes of Colleen Hammond giving conferences. I accept her book has made an impact.

I told a girl once, I regarded 'Theology of the Body' as pornographic.

John Grace · « **Reply #13 on:** June 16, 2013, 12:05:56 PM »

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and rabbis in Rome and New York City all rose up in great exclamation and welcomed "back" the recalcitrant SSPX-- then we'd have a much better chance of waking people up.

The great irony by some in the SSPX is that they promote 'Alive' newspapers that praises these rabbis and yet often in same publication the 'Lefebvrians' are mentioned and how they must come home to Rome.

For fun, we should have a laugh and have a hug a rabbi day. Love,love,love.Join the 'Chocolate Club'

John Grace · « **Reply #14 on:** June 16, 2013, 12:32:38 PM »

A sheet was passed around at the Bishop Williamson conference in Ireland entitled 'Subjectivism Ravages The Church'. A conference on Pascendi.

The Bishop discussed in depth the objective reality and the subjectivised.