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Offline trento

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Re: SSPX consecrations announced
« Reply #45 on: Yesterday at 01:40:02 AM »
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  • I see no good reason for a statement like this, without any details. My opinion is that they just did it to see how people react. Be it Leo, be it their faithful. If the reactions are very bad, they might just pretend it has never happened.
    Archbishop Lefebvre also announced one year ahead of his intention to consecrate bishops, but as history showed us, details and rushed negotiations came about only much later.

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    « Reply #46 on: Yesterday at 08:32:42 AM »
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  • My doubts were the state of necessity as regards legitimate non-heretical priests within the diocesan/eparchy structure of the Church. Those doubts were relieved in the discussion on Cath Info.

    It’s well known that the SSPX wanted to maintain a good relationship with Pope Francis. They simply waited till he passed. The writing was on the wall that they would announce these consecrations this year. Especially when they began criticizing Pope Leo.

    I support these consecrations.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

    You are not obliged to resolve the Church’s crisis by absolutizing any faction. Your obligation is to preserve faith, reason, humility, and charity,and to refuse to make any human authority into an idol.


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    « Reply #47 on: Yesterday at 08:36:19 AM »
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  • I would be interested in hearing any educated objections to the SSPX consecrations. 
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

    You are not obliged to resolve the Church’s crisis by absolutizing any faction. Your obligation is to preserve faith, reason, humility, and charity,and to refuse to make any human authority into an idol.

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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #48 on: Yesterday at 08:47:09 AM »
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  • Archbishop Lefebvre also announced one year ahead of his intention to consecrate bishops, but as history showed us, details and rushed negotiations came about only much later.
    Sure, but the Archbishop did not have a record of lies, deceptions and secret dealings. This is a completely different situation.

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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #49 on: Yesterday at 10:54:32 AM »
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  • Note regarding February 2nd:
    The date does not appear to have been chosen arbitrarily by Father Pagliarani. After Archbishop Lefebvre decided to consecrate bishops and considered various dates internally, the actual date was publicly announced on February 2nd, 1988.

    In the biography of Bishop Tissier de Mallerais, chapter 19, "New Ultimatum" states:

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    On February 2 Archbishop Lefebvre confirmed the news: “I am resolved to consecrate at least three bishops on June 30, and I hope to have the approval of John Paul II. But if he were not to give it to me, I would do without it for the good of the Church and for the continuance of Tradition.”



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    « Reply #50 on: Yesterday at 08:45:20 PM »
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    « Reply #51 on: Yesterday at 09:11:15 PM »
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  • The SSPX has played both sides of the fence for so long that it is now culminating with what looks like an egg on the face. They're caught out in their own hypocrisy and the chickens are coming home to roost.

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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #52 on: Yesterday at 10:46:01 PM »
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  • Where will the bishops(s) be consecrated? Écône?
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    Viganò’s full statement on SSPX consecrations
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  • Quote from: Carlo Maria Viganò
    The decision of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X to consecrate new Bishops on July 1 demonstrates the impossibility of any dialogue with the Holy See. The Vatican’s refusal to comply with the Society’s requests confirms a double standard: On the one hand, synodality opens the way to schism without this constituting a problem either for those who impose it from above or for those who suffer it from below.

    On the other hand, a Priestly Fraternity of assured orthodoxy is denied permission to consecrate new Bishops precisely because it has not compromised with the conciliar revolution, the highest expression of which is synodality.

    When the Hierarchy becomes complicit in the demolition of the Church, the only solution is to appeal to the state of necessity and guarantee that Apostolic Succession continues for the good of souls. Nothing has changed since 1988, and we can even say that the situation has dramatically worsened. I therefore express my full support for the decision taken by the Society of Saint Pius X.
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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #54 on: Today at 01:30:26 AM »
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  • Where will the bishops(s) be consecrated? Écône?

    I assume so

    Online Against the Heresies

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    « Reply #55 on: Today at 09:26:40 AM »
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  • "The Pillar" writes: "Vatican doctrine chief to hold talks with SSPX leader"


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    Cardinal Fernández told The Pillar Feb. 4 that the letter Pagliarani referred to was sent by the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith.

    The DDF prefect said the letter “merely responded negatively to the possibility of proceeding now with new episcopal ordinations.”

    “We have been exchanging letters in recent times. Next week I will meet with Fr. Pagliarani in the DDF to try and find a fruitful path of dialogue,” Fernández explained.

    Several sources told The Pillar that past conversations also involved two other SSPX bishops, Bishop Bernard Fellay and Bishop Alfonso de Galarreta, and on the Vatican side, Cardinal Kurt Koch, prefect of the Dicastery for Promoting Christian Unity, and Archbishop Guido Pozzo, the former secretary of the now-defunct Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei.

    Fernández told The Pillar, however, that the upcoming meeting would be limited to him and Pagliarani.



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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #56 on: Today at 10:44:52 AM »
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  • https://sspx.org/en/consecration-fr-jean-michel-faure

    Curiously, this seems to have been taken down from the SSPX website. 

    Strange. ::) 

    You can read it here, however: https://web.archive.org/web/20230606061616/https://sspx.org/en/consecration-fr-jean-michel-faure
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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #57 on: Today at 10:58:01 AM »
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  • https://sspx.org/en/consecration-fr-jean-michel-faure

    Curiously, this seems to have been taken down from the SSPX website. 

    Strange. ::)

    Nothing strange there. Just a change of url: https://sspx.org/en/consecration-fr-jean-michel-faure-31193

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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #58 on: Today at 11:00:53 AM »
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  • Ah!  I see.  Well, they must have forgotten to add an htaccess redirect for the old link.
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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
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  • https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sspx-hinting-they-will-'consecrate'/msg1014102/#msg1014102

    From the link above:

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    https://sspx.org/en/news/no-comparison-1988-faures-consecration-5676

    The Society of St. Pius X denounces this episcopal consecration of Fr. Faure, which, despite the assertions of both clerics concerned, is not at all comparable to the consecrations of 1988. All the declarations of Bishop Williamson and Fr. Faure prove abundantly that they no longer recognize the Roman authorities, except in a purely rhetorical manner."


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