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Title: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: LakeEnjoyer on February 02, 2026, 04:55:56 AM
https://fsspx.news/en/news/general-house-fsspx-announces-future-consecrations-57009
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Stubborn on February 02, 2026, 04:59:22 AM

https://fsspx.news/en/news/general-house-fsspx-announces-future-consecrations-57009
Press release dated 2 February 2026.

On 2 February 2026, the feast of the Purification of the Blessed Virgin, the Reverend Father Davide Pagliarani, Superior General of the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X, during the ceremony of the taking of the cassock which he presided over at the International Seminary of Saint-Curé-d’Ars in Flavigny-sur-Ozerain, France, publicly announced his decision to entrust the bishops of the Society with the task of proceeding with new episcopal consecrations, on 1 July next.


Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: TomGubbinsKimmage on February 02, 2026, 05:55:38 AM
With or without Rome's approval?

Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: TomGubbinsKimmage on February 02, 2026, 06:02:11 AM
If it is without Rome's approval, we should spam every single sspx priory with phone calls asking them if they are now outside the Church because they are consecrating without Rome's permission.

Focus on liberal countries like Germany so you will get a clearer answer. By which I mean, if they are lying and they actually DID do it with permission, they will be quick to tell us.

Now is the moment. It has finally arrived folks.

CLARITY on the SSPX's position.


We can finally say they are either NOVUS ORDO, or they are outside the conciliar Church. If the latter, then ask them why they are not condemning Rome's errors clearly enough.
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: WorldsAway on February 02, 2026, 06:14:37 AM
With or without Rome's approval?

Apparently without..so they say
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Last August, he sought the favour of an audience with the Holy Father, making known his desire to present to the Holy Father, in a filial manner, the current situation of the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X. In a second letter, he explicitly expressed the particular need of the Society to ensure the continuation of the ministry of its bishops, who have been travelling the world for nearly forty years to respond to the many faithful attached to the Tradition of the Church and desirous, for the good of their souls, that the sacraments of Holy Orders and Confirmation be conferred.

After having long matured his reflection in prayer, and having received from the Holy See, in recent days, a letter which does not in any way respond to our requests, Father Pagliarani, in harmony with the unanimous advice of his Council, judges that the objective state of grave necessity in which souls find themselves requires such a decision.

Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: TomGubbinsKimmage on February 02, 2026, 07:11:51 AM
Well then Rome needs to renew the excommunications, as they renewed Bishop Williamsons excommunication.

If they don't then we can all say that they did it to Bishop Williamson, but not to the SSPX, so they implicitly approved it.

That lack of excommunication will be extremely telling.
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: TomGubbinsKimmage on February 02, 2026, 07:20:36 AM
This would be the most likely path they will take in my opinion.

Because it fits with their deliberate ambiguity tactic the last 15 years.

Pretend until the consecrations that they are doing without Rome's approval. (and in the meantime we can tear them apart for being outside Rome, and "disobedient" etc. etc.) and then when the consecrations come they will just not respond to the GLARING fact that Rome's excommunication did not come like with us, and play on that to imply to liberal people that Rome approved it, while to conservative and resistance people implying that they are just as much fighters as we are.

Weak minds will not see through it, and they are counting on that. Because most people want a comfortable life.
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Ladislaus on February 02, 2026, 07:57:38 AM
Always realize that the SSPX have been thoroughly infiltrated, so that whatever action they take will have been carried out in close coordination with the Vatican.

I believe that they absolutely need to give the perception that the consecrand(s) will have been selected independently of any influence from Rome.  Otherwise, had Rome approved both the consecration and the candidate(s), he / they would always operate under a cloud of suspicion, with every move of their scrutinized, so that even subtle pivots to the left would not go unnoticed.

So, these people are evil, but not stupid.

What I fully expect to happen is that they'll select one or two known (to them) infiltrators, in cooperation with Rome behind the scenes, and then pronounce the ex-communitication ... only to quickly lift it in the intersts of that cardinal Conciliar virtue of "mercy".

That way, they have their cake and get to eat it too, where they give the appearance of having acted independently while also having the excomm lifted.  I speak occasionally with the new crowds at SSPX chapel, and several have told me directly that were it not for the fact that they consider SSPX to be in "good standing" with Rome and to have "jurisdiction" (they believe this propaganda), they wouldn't be there and these would undoubtedly leave.

So, SSPX can't afford that either.  That's one of the reasons their handlers had them undertake these inexplicably imprudent projects, such as the $50 million seminary and the $25 million Immaculata, and many chapel building projects that are also on the edge of bankruptcy, stretched to the limits.  That makes it all the more essential for them to comply with the wishes of Krah / Jaidhoff, and do as they're told ... but they also can't afford to lose a significant percentate of their Mass attendees, or they'd be spending the next few years in bankruptcy courts.  That's WHY they did these stupid building projects that make absolutely no sense whatsoever, so that the controllers had even more leverage to exert against them.
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Ladislaus on February 02, 2026, 08:01:45 AM
Apparently without..so they say

Yeah ... total BS.  This is Kayfabe for the consumption of the laity.  As explained above, they must give the appearances of the new consecrand(s) being independent of any influence from Rome, to allow them to be effective in carrying out the liberalizing / modernizing agenda.

That's also probably why, for the first time in over a decade, that SSPX objected publicly to anything done by the Vatican ... with regard to the Co-Redemptrix controversy.
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Ladislaus on February 02, 2026, 08:08:13 AM
Told you.  Very first comment I see on X under the announcement.
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Plese, father Pagliarini. Do not do it! It would be a risk for all the church. Be patient! All the people that love the Traditional Latin Mass would be affected by this new consecrations. You have new ways to comunicate Rome the dessire of new bishops. Remember 1988.

Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: TomGubbinsKimmage on February 02, 2026, 08:24:55 AM
:popcorn:
:popcorn:

I will will watch this whole mess unfold with a pleasure I have not felt for a long time. 

Should I feel guilty? 
....
Nah...
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: TomGubbinsKimmage on February 02, 2026, 08:27:57 AM
It's the kind of pleasure you feel when you suffer at the hands of someone for so long, and God does nothing.

Then finally He strikes, and the effect is more beautiful than you could imagine.

It vindicates you.

God blinds His enemies with confusion and chaos.


Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: SimpleMan on February 02, 2026, 08:32:17 AM
It's the kind of pleasure you feel when you suffer at the hands of someone for so long, and God does nothing.

Then finally He strikes, and the effect is more beautiful than you could imagine.

It vindicates you.

God blinds His enemies with confusion and chaos.

It's called Schadenfreude.

Fire in the hole! 
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Against the Heresies on February 02, 2026, 08:35:47 AM
Whether with or without the permission of the modernists is utterly irrelevant.

What matters far more is who the candidates for consecration will be and whether they will still (to some extent) embody the spirit of the archbishop.
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Romulus on February 02, 2026, 08:40:35 AM
They will be Fellay-like youngsters that are easily controlled, but energetic enough to do the tasks of their bishops worldwide. They won't consecrate any Lefebvres/Williamsons 
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: MiracleOfTheSun on February 02, 2026, 08:44:23 AM
They will be Fellay-like youngsters that are easily controlled, but energetic enough to do the tasks of their bishops worldwide. They won't consecrate any Lefebvres/Williamsons

Can't afford to let the money train dry up.  
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Ladislaus on February 02, 2026, 08:55:11 AM
So, yes, they'll be younger, so they have more energy to travel, but it can't be someone who's merely easily controlled due to being young.  After some time being a bishop, and corresponding to the grace of God, he might get "too big for his britches".

No, he'll have to be controllable either because they have the goods on him or because he was an infiltrator to begin with.

Recall the last time that names were being tossed around, and they were among the most Modernist you can find.

I'd fear a Father Paul Robinson, exept that they probably need someone who's multi-lingual.  Father Robinson I think speaks a bit of French, but not much else.

I suspect they'd need someone who's at least moderately proficient in French, English, Spanish, and German ... and possibly also Italian given that they'd be in contact with Rome going forward.

Who fits that description?
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Seraphina on February 02, 2026, 09:01:47 AM
I'd fear a Father Paul Robinson, exept that they probably need someone who's multi-lingual.  Father Robinson I think speaks a bit of French, but not much else.

I suspect they'd need someone who's at least moderately proficient in French, English, Spanish, and German ... and possibly also Italian given that they'd be in contact with Rome going forward.

Who fits that description?
What about Latin?  A working knowledge of Greek and Hebrew wouldn’t harm, either! 
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Matthew on February 02, 2026, 09:07:45 AM
It's not just the excommunication from Rome -- what about the vocal criticism from the SSPX when the first 2 Resistance bishops were consecrated?

The blasted hypocrites. If it weren't for hypocrisy, the neo-SSPX wouldn't have any actions at all.
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Romulus on February 02, 2026, 09:08:49 AM
"Father" David Fulton is proficient in Spanish, they'd only need an English/Spanish speaker to cover the Americas and have other European priests to cover the rest of the world. However I doubt they'd pick him because he "found tradition" so recently.

However it brings up the consideration of them deliberately picking a Novus Ordo ordained Society priest to be consecrated, imagine how much doubt that will throw on anything coming from the Society. It would be Hounder Oils 2.0 but much more devastating and lasting. I wouldn't it past them to deliberately contaminate the Lefebvre lineage with Novus Ordo antics.
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Ladislaus on February 02, 2026, 09:23:28 AM
Just consider a moment this type of reponse on X ... to show the mentality of today's SSPX-attending laity ..
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Plese, father Pagliarini. Do not do it! It would be a risk for all the church. Be patient! All the people that love the Traditional Latin Mass would be affected by this new consecrations. You have new ways to comunicate Rome the dessire of new bishops. Remember 1988.

To say that consecrations would be a "risk" for the Church and strongly implying that the 1988 consecrations were a bad thing.

I recall in 1988 how we were practically rejoicing in Rome's "excommunication" ... "Excommunicated by whom?  Excommunicated from what?"  I recall that my brothers and I were rejoicing and were hoping that Rome would "excommunitycate" us also.

Now we have this, and these comments are confirmed in my mind anecdotally by my interaction with SSPX-attending laity in my area, a couple of whom almost literally went into a panic when I explained that SSPX priests were granted jurisdiction by "Rome" only for Confessions, and that for weddings they typically had to have a Novus Ordo presbyter there witnessing or else getting the Novus Ordo bishop's signoff ... but that they do not have any kind of habitual (ordinary) jurisdiction.

So the propaganda must have been strong from SSPX to make these people think otherwise, and we now know that an excommunication would scare off large numbers of them.
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Ladislaus on February 02, 2026, 09:34:31 AM
It's not just the excommunication from Rome -- what about the vocal criticism from the SSPX when the first 2 Resistance bishops were consecrated?

The blasted hypocrites. If it weren't for hypocrisy, the neo-SSPX wouldn't have any actions at all.

Yeah, but they don't care, since they have their laity thoroughly brainwashed against the Resistance, where they'll simply draw a picture of how different it is, where they wanted patiently for years, trying to work it out with Rome ... vs. that h0Ɩ0cαųst-denying-probbabl-senile-kook consecrating 2 bishops for every garage.
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Ladislaus on February 02, 2026, 09:35:58 AM
What about Latin?  A working knowledge of Greek and Hebrew wouldn’t harm, either!

Well, all SSPX priests are supposed to be passably proficient in Latin, but to function as a bishop, going around the world, they likely need someone who speaks at least 3 languages.  I'm honestly not sure what +Galaretta actually does though, so Spanish may be optional, and in that case Father Robinson might be a candidate.
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Ladislaus on February 02, 2026, 11:29:44 AM
You know -- you just jogged my memory.
Guess when Fr. Robinson started learning French? AFTER Fr. Le Roux showed up at the seminary, around Fr. Robinson's 4th year.

Fr. Robinson, hailing from Kentucky, joined the seminary speaking the following languages: English. <end of list>

I was infamously "eccentric" at the seminary for various reasons, all of them innocent: my buzz haircut (I also cut my own hair; no one else did), my sandals, the fact I spoke Japanese to some degree.

I'm pretty sure Fr. Robinson was entertaining learning Chinese, until the news Bp. Williamson was leaving and Fr. Le Roux was coming. Then sometime later I heard he was learning French. Funny how that works.

Of course I didn't think much of it at the time -- yeah, I thought there might be a bit of "spirit of competition" involved (I never got along with him that well, for whatever reason). But today, looking back, especially knowing where Fr. Robinson ended up -- I'm inclined to look at the whole thing more cynically.

Very interesting.  Do we recall who the top Modernist-leaning candidates were, per our speculation ... when the rumor first came out?

I will see if I can dig up that thread.
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Twice dyed on February 02, 2026, 11:32:47 AM
https://infovaticana.com/en/2026/02/02/the-fsspx-announces-that-it-will-consecrate-new-bishops-on-july-1-2026/

''The Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X has officially announced that it will proceed with new episcopal consecrations starting from July 1, 2026, a decision of enormous ecclesial significance that reopens one of the most delicate chapters in its relationship with the Holy See. The announcement was made public on February 2, ...
''...The General House also announces that in the coming days the superior general will offer additional explanations to contextualize the situation and detail the reasons for the decision, which is expected to have a strong impact both in the canonical sphere and in the broader ecclesial debate on Tradition, authority, and the unity of the Church. The text concludes with a Marian invocation, entrusting the future of the Fraternity and the Church to the protection of the Virgin Mary, at a moment that the SSPX itself recognizes as especially grave and decisive....''

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Remember about a year ago the Neo-SSPX was carefully introducing the possibility of Consecrating without Rome's permission? One comment that struck me from that article was something like this:  'This might be a very difficult (painful?) decision for some of our faithful....'

  As Lads so rightly noted, many newcomers to Traddieland would refuse to associate with an excommunicated Society.  But I am quite certain His Holiness Leo XIV will not excommunicate anyone...if he accepts the Orthodox schismatic heretics, heck, everyone's is included, no?
Blinkin' neo-Sspx :( ;)
Rumor was 6 bishops, 

Our Lady co-Redemptrix,, Mediatrix of ALL graces, pray for us.



Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: TomGubbinsKimmage on February 02, 2026, 11:46:04 AM
Whether with or without the permission of the modernists is utterly irrelevant.

What matters far more is who the candidates for consecration will be and whether they will still (to some extent) embody the spirit of the archbishop.
You go to sspx masses don't you
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: TomGubbinsKimmage on February 02, 2026, 11:47:10 AM
They will be Fellay-like youngsters that are easily controlled, but energetic enough to do the tasks of their bishops worldwide. They won't consecrate any Lefebvres/Williamsons
Indeed, bottom line, avoid them
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: CarlistaReinero on February 02, 2026, 01:00:22 PM
H. E. Carlo María Viganó:

The decision of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X to consecrate new Bishops on July 1 demonstrates the impossibility of any dialogue with the Holy See.

The Vatican’s refusal to comply with the Society’s requests confirms a double standard:

On the one hand, synodality opens the way to schism without this constituting a problem either for those who impose it from above or for those who suffer it from below.

On the other hand, a Priestly Fraternity of assured orthodoxy is denied permission to consecrate new Bishops precisely because it has not compromised with the conciliar revolution, the highest expression of which is synodality.

When the Hierarchy becomes complicit in the demolition of the Church, the only solution is to appeal to the state of necessity and guarantee that Apostolic Succession continues for the good of souls. Nothing has changed since 1988, and we can even say that the situation has dramatically worsened.

I therefore express my full support for the decision taken by the Society of Saint Pius X.
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Incredulous on February 02, 2026, 01:00:30 PM
You know -- you just jogged my memory.
Guess when Fr. Robinson started learning French? AFTER Fr. Le Roux showed up at the seminary, around Fr. Robinson's 4th year.

Fr. Robinson, hailing from Kentucky, joined the seminary speaking the following languages: English. <end of list>

I was infamously "eccentric" at the seminary for various reasons, all of them innocent: my buzz haircut (I also cut my own hair; no one else did), my sandals, the fact I spoke Japanese to some degree.

I'm pretty sure Fr. Robinson was entertaining learning Chinese, until the news Bp. Williamson was leaving and Fr. Le Roux was coming. Then sometime later I heard he was learning French. Funny how that works.

Of course I didn't think much of it at the time -- yeah, I thought there might be a bit of "spirit of competition" involved (I never got along with him that well, for whatever reason). But today, looking back, especially knowing where Fr. Robinson ended up -- I'm inclined to look at the whole thing more cynically.

Father Paul Robinson is computer engineer by training.

His social queues are lacking and he has alienated more trads that any other SSPX priest I know. 

While he's fully committed to the corporation, his mastery of the "faux pas" lowers his credibility to be  Bishop.
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Against the Heresies on February 02, 2026, 01:43:07 PM
From today's sermon by the Superior General

Source (https://fsspx.news/en/news/don-davide-pagliarani-episcopal-consecrations-out-fidelity-church-and-souls-57017?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)


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Episcopal consecrations out of fidelity to the Church and to souls
We believe that the time has come to think about the future of the Society of Saint Pius X, the future of all souls, whom we cannot forget, whom we cannot abandon, and above all, the good we can do for Holy Mother Church. And this raises a question that we have been asking ourselves for a long time and to which, perhaps, we must now give an answer. Should we wait longer before considering consecrating bishops? We have waited, prayed and observed the developments in the Church, and also sought advice. We have written to the Holy Father to present, in all simplicity, the situation of the Society, explaining these needs and at the same time to reconfirm to the Holy Father our only raison d’être, which is the good of souls.
We wrote to the Holy Father: Your Holiness, we have but one intention, which is to make all the souls who turn to us, true sons of the Roman Catholic Church. We will never have any other intention, and we will always keep this intention. Furthermore, the good of souls corresponds to the good of the Church. The Catholic Church does not exist in the clouds. The Catholic Church exists in souls. It is souls that constitute the Church and if we love the Church, we love souls. We want their salvation and we want to do everything possible to offer them the means to attain their salvation. Therefore, we have begged the Holy Father to understand the very unique situation in which the Society finds itself, and to allow it to take the means to continue this work in such an exceptional situation. We all know that the work of the Society, once again, has no other purpose than to preserve Catholic Tradition for the good of souls.
Well, unfortunately, these reasons do not seem to be of interest to Rome, and are not convincing. If you like, unfortunately, these reasons have not found a favourable ear with the Holy See, for the moment. We profoundly regret this situation. Therefore, what are we going to do? Are we going to abandon souls? Are we going to tell them that there is ultimately no case of necessity for the Society to continue its work? That ultimately everything is more or less fine. In other words, that there is no longer a state of necessity in the Church that would justify our apostolate and our existence so as to help the Catholic Church. It is not a question of challenging the Church – far from it! We are here to serve the Church, and we serve the Church by preaching the faith and proclaiming the truth to souls – and not by telling fables to souls.
Can we therefore tell them that, despite everything, everything is fine? Certainly not! That would be a betrayal of souls, and betraying souls would mean betraying the Church. We simply cannot do that. This is why we think that 1st July 2026 could be a good date – an ideal date – as it is the Feast of the Most Precious Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ. It is the feast of Redemption. Nothing else is of interests to us. What we hold most dear is the Precious Blood of Our Lord, flowing down from his feet onto the wood of the cross. Our Lady, at the foot of the cross, was the first to adore this Precious Blood, and which we continue to adore at the foot of the altar. This is the only thing that interests us, and it is the only thing that we want to give to souls – souls have a right to this, it is not a privilege, it is their right! We cannot abandon them.
In the coming days, we intend to give you more information and greater detail. It is important to understand the reasons. It is important to understand what is at stake in all this. This is crucial. However, at the same time, we must understand all this through prayer. It is not enough to prepare our minds alone. I would even say that it is not enough to take a purely apologetic approach to all this. We must prepare hearts – our hearts – as it is a grace, and we must hold on to this grace. We must give thanks to God, and we must prepare ourselves. Yes, consecrations, once more, there will be episcopal consecrations. However, this is not to challenge the Church - it is definitely not a challenge. They will be consecrations out of fidelity to the Catholic Church and to souls. 
Furthermore, I would like to add one last consideration… I fully assume responsibility for this decision. I assume it, firstly before God. I assume it before the Blessed Virgin Mary and before Pope Saint Pius X. I assume it before the Holy Father. I would sincerely like to meet the Pope before 1st July. I would like to explain to him, so as to make it possible for him to understand our real and profound intentions, and our attachment to the Catholic Church, so that he knows it, and so that he can understand it. I also accept this responsibility before the Holy Catholic Church and before the Society, before all the members of the Society and - I repeat yet again – before all the souls who in one way or another have recourse to us, and who ask us for help now or in the future. All these souls and all these vocations that Divine Providence has sent us and who continues to send us. Before them, I assume this responsibility – each and everyone in particular, because each soul has an infinite value.
Furthermore, in the Catholic Church, we must never forget that the law of laws, the supreme law that takes precedence over all others, is the salvation of souls. It is not the prattle of small-talk, it is not the synod, it is not ecuмenism, it is not liturgical experiments, nor new ideas and a new evangelisation, it is the salvation of souls. This is the law of laws, and we all have a duty, each in our own place, to observe this law and to devote ourselves totally to defending it. Why must we do this? It is because Our Blessed Lady and Our Lord Jesus Christ taught us during their life here on this earth that they had no other intention and no other goal than the salvation of souls. Therefore, in one way or another, and according to our talents and our circuмstances, each one of us must do everything we can, making our contribution to save our own souls and the souls of others. Amen


Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Ladislaus on February 02, 2026, 02:06:44 PM
Father Paul Robinson is computer engineer by training.

His social queues are lacking and he has alienated more trads that any other SSPX priest I know. 

While he's fully committed to the corporation, his mastery of the "faux pas" lowers his credibility to be  Bishop.

So, I really don't think his alienation of Trads can be attributed to lack of social skills, but rather to his Modernistic teaching, gaslighting of people with solid Catholic faith (deriding them as "Biblicists", as if Sacred Scripture had become a dirty word) ... and his refusal to sign religious extemption statements for Catholics who requested them during the Plandemic.
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Twice dyed on February 02, 2026, 02:21:58 PM
From today's sermon by the Superior General

Source (https://fsspx.news/en/news/don-davide-pagliarani-episcopal-consecrations-out-fidelity-church-and-souls-57017?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
Can someone give an explanation about this quote , from above?:

 ''The Catholic Church does not exist in the clouds. The Catholic Church exists in souls. It is souls that constitute the Church ...''
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https://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xii_enc_29061943_mystici-corporis-christi.html
Pius XII.
''...6. Again, as in nature a body is not formed by any haphazard grouping of members but must be constituted of organs, that is of members, that have not the same function and are arranged in due order; so for this reason above all the Church is called a body, that it is constituted by the coalescence of structurally untied parts, and that it has a variety of members reciprocally dependent. It is thus the Apostle describes the Church when he writes: "As in one body we have many members, but all the members have not the same office: so we being many are one body in Christ, and everyone members one of another." [16]

17. One must not think, however, that this ordered or "organic" structure of the body of the Church contains only hierarchical elements and with them is complete; or, as an opposite opinion holds, that it is composed only of those who enjoy charismatic gifts - though members gifted with miraculous powers will never be lacking in the Church. That those who exercise sacred power in this Body are its chief members must be maintained uncompromisingly. It is through them, by commission of the Divine Redeemer Himself, that Christ's apostolate as Teacher, King and Priest is to endure. At the same time, when the Fathers of the Church sing the praises of this Mystical Body of Christ, with its ministries, its variety of ranks, its officers, it conditions, its orders, its duties, they are thinking not only of those who have received Holy Orders, but of all those too, who, following the evangelical counsels, pass their lives either actively among men, or hidden in the silence of the cloister, or who aim at combining the active and contemplative life according to their Institute; as also of those who, though living in the world, consecrate themselves wholeheartedly to spiritual or corporal works of mercy, and of those in the state of holy matrimony. Indeed, let this be clearly understood, especially in our days, fathers and mothers of families, those who are godparents through Baptism, and in particular those members of the laity who collaborate with the ecclesiastical hierarchy in spreading the Kingdom of the Divine Redeemer occupy an honorable, if often a lowly, place in the Christian community, and even they under the impulse of God and with His help, can reach the heights of supreme holiness, which, Jesus Christ has promised, will never be wanting to the Church.
18. Now we see that the human body is given the proper means to provide for its own life, health and growth, and for that of all its members. Similarly, the Savior of mankind out of His infinite goodness has provided in a wonderful way for His Mystical Body, endowing it with the Sacraments, so...''

Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Ladislaus on February 02, 2026, 03:03:23 PM
Father Pagliarani already walking it back, with reports that he "would meet with the Pope before the consecrations to hash out the negotiations"
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: SimpleMan on February 02, 2026, 03:15:21 PM
Father Pagliarani already walking it back, with reports that he "would meet with the Pope before the consecrations to hash out the negotiations"
This doesn't surprise me one bit.

The announcement has given the SSPX a huge bargaining chip.

The consecrations haven't taken place yet.  It's a long time between now and July.
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: TomGubbinsKimmage on February 02, 2026, 04:14:10 PM
Father Pagliarani already walking it back, with reports that he "would meet with the Pope before the consecrations to hash out the negotiations"

He said he would like to meet, rather than he will meet.
To be clear. You would expect him to say that.


But man the SSPX are weak and effeminate.

Its so truly pathethic.

Like we have enough problems with our own not getting the fight.

But the SSPX are truly in another universe of fαɢɢօtry.
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: TomGubbinsKimmage on February 02, 2026, 04:21:17 PM
Can someone give an explanation about this quote , from above?:

''The Catholic Church does not exist in the clouds. The Catholic Church exists in souls. It is souls that constitute the Church ...''
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https://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xii_enc_29061943_mystici-corporis-christi.html
Pius XII.
''...6. Again, as in nature a body is not formed by any haphazard grouping of members but must be constituted of organs, that is of members, that have not the same function and are arranged in due order; so for this reason above all the Church is called a body, that it is constituted by the coalescence of structurally untied parts, and that it has a variety of members reciprocally dependent. It is thus the Apostle describes the Church when he writes: "As in one body we have many members, but all the members have not the same office: so we being many are one body in Christ, and everyone members one of another." [16]

17. One must not think, however, that this ordered or "organic" structure of the body of the Church contains only hierarchical elements and with them is complete; or, as an opposite opinion holds, that it is composed only of those who enjoy charismatic gifts - though members gifted with miraculous powers will never be lacking in the Church. That those who exercise sacred power in this Body are its chief members must be maintained uncompromisingly. It is through them, by commission of the Divine Redeemer Himself, that Christ's apostolate as Teacher, King and Priest is to endure. At the same time, when the Fathers of the Church sing the praises of this Mystical Body of Christ, with its ministries, its variety of ranks, its officers, it conditions, its orders, its duties, they are thinking not only of those who have received Holy Orders, but of all those too, who, following the evangelical counsels, pass their lives either actively among men, or hidden in the silence of the cloister, or who aim at combining the active and contemplative life according to their Institute; as also of those who, though living in the world, consecrate themselves wholeheartedly to spiritual or corporal works of mercy, and of those in the state of holy matrimony. Indeed, let this be clearly understood, especially in our days, fathers and mothers of families, those who are godparents through Baptism, and in particular those members of the laity who collaborate with the ecclesiastical hierarchy in spreading the Kingdom of the Divine Redeemer occupy an honorable, if often a lowly, place in the Christian community, and even they under the impulse of God and with His help, can reach the heights of supreme holiness, which, Jesus Christ has promised, will never be wanting to the Church.
18. Now we see that the human body is given the proper means to provide for its own life, health and growth, and for that of all its members. Similarly, the Savior of mankind out of His infinite goodness has provided in a wonderful way for His Mystical Body, endowing it with the Sacraments, so...''



It's all modernist ambiguity, which is sinful.
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Justinian on February 02, 2026, 05:27:14 PM
Father Pagliarani already walking it back, with reports that he "would meet with the Pope before the consecrations to hash out the negotiations"
Perhaps the SSPX and Pope Leo can eventually come to an agreement. This stage may just be a point in the negotiations. But if not, perhaps they’ll go ahead and consecrate regardless. I don’t share the opinion of some of my friends that the SSPX are in schism. The church is in crisis and we are all responding in our own way. It’s not black and white (unless you’re autistic), it’s nuanced. I’m not expecting a lot of agreement on this group and I haven’t the time or patience Boru had to debate. Nor have I her extensive theological knowledge. Though she seems to have vanished recently!!
Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: WorldsAway on February 02, 2026, 05:56:17 PM
...Boru had to debate. Nor have I her extensive theological knowledge. Though she seems to have vanished recently!!
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Title: Re: SSPX consecrations announced
Post by: Ladislaus on February 02, 2026, 06:36:54 PM
Perhaps the SSPX and Pope Leo can eventually come to an agreement. This stage may just be a point in the negotiations. But if not, perhaps they’ll go ahead and consecrate regardless. I don’t share the opinion of some of my friends that the SSPX are in schism. The church is in crisis and we are all responding in our own way. It’s not black and white (unless you’re autistic), it’s nuanced. I’m not expecting a lot of agreement on this group and I haven’t the time or patience Boru had to debate. Nor have I her extensive theological knowledge. Though she seems to have vanished recently!!

They could easily have just released this statement as ...

1) a trial balloon to see how SSPX laity would react

and

2) just get Prevost's attention

That's if you believe there's a real adversarial relationshi between SSPX and the Prevost administration, rather than just a Kayfabe they're putting on to give the SSPX laity the IMPRESSION that the two are somehow at odds.