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Title: Sean Johnson throws in the towel (again)
Post by: TJD on May 24, 2018, 02:21:51 PM
The SSPX has changed in 101+ ways!

A new book by SEAN JOHNSON

The SSPX is heading for a full merger with the Modernist Rome of Vatican II, and it's already most of the way there -- formal deal or no! The facts don't lie. Countless changes, compromises, and contradictions have already occurred within the SSPX -- past tense. This isn't about what the SSPX might do; it's about what THE SSPX HAS DONE over the past 7 years. Here is a book (almost 400 pages) detailing the docuмented, hard evidence to prove this assertion. This book will convince you that the SSPX has taken a hard U-turn back to Conciliar Modernist Rome!

https://www.chantcd.com/index.php/As-We-Are-101-Compromises-Changes-Contradictions-of-an-SSPX (https://www.chantcd.com/index.php/As-We-Are-101-Compromises-Changes-Contradictions-of-an-SSPX)


Title: Re: Sean Johnson throws in the towel (again)
Post by: cathman7 on May 24, 2018, 03:55:57 PM
Excellent! 

You have shown real charity in this post. Bravo! 

You may disagree with him but at least he is trying to do something. What have you done? Do you feel good about yourself for attacking a man who may be frustrated with the state of things?



Title: Re: Sean Johnson throws in the towel (again)
Post by: hismajesty on May 24, 2018, 04:14:52 PM
Excellent!

You have shown real charity in this post. Bravo!

You may disagree with him but at least he is trying to do something. What have you done? Do you feel good about yourself for attacking a man who may be frustrated with the state of things?

What are you talking about mate?

It's not charity to love foolishness.

Sean spoiled every good thing he wrote by his over the top behaviour. He was a drama queen. Long may he stay quiet.
Title: Re: Sean Johnson throws in the towel (again)
Post by: Incredulous on May 25, 2018, 07:35:04 AM
A guy signs up as "Rachel" just to take a swipe at Mr. Johnson?

That's a good one.  

It reminds me of Bruce Jenner having a sex change, so he could better "express himself".
Title: Re: Sean Johnson throws in the towel (again)
Post by: Matthew on May 25, 2018, 08:51:18 AM
Ok, guys, that's enough. Sean Johnson is still very much the dogmatic sedeplenist we all know and love.

Please don't tell falsehoods, or start rumors.

I'd say don't talk about him in his absence, but I never banned him or anything; I think he's just "gone" because there are currently greater than 0 individuals on CI who are not dogmatic sedeplenist.

Sean advocates banning all sedevacantists, sedeprivationists, sedeimpoundists (etc.), anyone with any doubts whatsoever about the Pope, and anyone pushing for any level of tolerance for these groups.

He also told me a couple days ago (by e-mail) that he considers sedevacantism more dangerous than Modernism, for Traditional Catholics.

Needless to say, I am not with him on either of those beliefs.
Title: Re: Sean Johnson throws in the towel (again)
Post by: Mithrandylan on May 25, 2018, 08:56:20 AM
Thanks Matthew.  That sounds a lot more like the Sean I know and love. I think the Tradosphere would lose an essential part of itself if Sean Johnson relaxed his ideas about sede-anythingism. :)
Title: Re: Sean Johnson throws in the towel (again)
Post by: Ladislaus on May 25, 2018, 09:26:35 AM
Ok, guys, that's enough. Sean Johnson is still very much the dogmatic sedeplenist we all know and love.

Please don't tell falsehoods, or start rumors.

Well, the part about him being sedevacantist/sedeprivationist was a joke (sarcasm) because we know how much he is against it.

Maybe I should have appended the appropriate emoticon  :).
Title: Re: Sean Johnson throws in the towel (again)
Post by: hismajesty on May 25, 2018, 10:00:58 AM
Thanks Matthew.  That sounds a lot more like the Sean I know and love. I think the Tradosphere would lose an essential part of itself if Sean Johnson relaxed his ideas about sede-anythingism. :)

Is that a joke?

It is a hallmark of liberalism to be attacking sedevacantists more than modernism.

As Matthew mentioned earlier, he considers sedvacantism more dangerous than modernism. That is very revealing.

It is revealing because the reason liberals hate sedevacantists is because even though they are wrong on the pope question, they see things in black and white when it comes to the crisis in the church. They know heresy from Truth. Liberals always equivocate when it comes to heresy and make excuses.

That is why I get on 10 times better with a sedevacantist than a liberal. Though they are annoying after a while, and I would rather neither at the end of the day.

So if Sean got his priorities straight then he would be useful. That, and becoming flat earth....

Title: Re: Sean Johnson throws in the towel (again)
Post by: M and Liz on May 25, 2018, 12:23:50 PM
SodalitiumPianum will be missed. 
Title: Re: Sean Johnson throws in the towel (again)
Post by: PG on May 25, 2018, 01:46:29 PM
Is that a joke?

It is a hallmark of liberalism to be attacking sedevacantists more than modernism.

As Matthew mentioned earlier, he considers sedvacantism more dangerous than modernism. That is very revealing.

It is revealing because the reason liberals hate sedevacantists is because even though they are wrong on the pope question, they see things in black and white when it comes to the crisis in the church. They know heresy from Truth. Liberals always equivocate when it comes to heresy and make excuses.

That is why I get on 10 times better with a sedevacantist than a liberal. Though they are annoying after a while, and I would rather neither at the end of the day.

So if Sean got his priorities straight then he would be useful. That, and becoming flat earth....
I think what sean probably means is that the vacantist movement is worse than the ecclesia dei movement.  I don't think he means the vacantist movement is worse than the novus ordo.  
Title: Re: Sean Johnson throws in the towel (again)
Post by: 2Vermont on May 25, 2018, 03:40:58 PM
Well, the part about him being sedevacantist/sedeprivationist was a joke (sarcasm) because we know how much he is against it.

Maybe I should have appended the appropriate emoticon  :).
Well, my post (which was deleted, so you might have missed it) used the joker emoticon, so apparently the appropriate emoticon doesn't matter.  
Title: Re: Sean Johnson throws in the towel (again)
Post by: 2Vermont on May 25, 2018, 03:42:54 PM
Is that a joke?
I sure hope so. 
Title: Re: Sean Johnson throws in the towel (again)
Post by: JPaul on May 25, 2018, 03:54:20 PM
Quote
He also told me a couple days ago (by e-mail) that he considers sedevacantism more dangerous than Modernism, for Traditional Catholics.
Hopelessly indoctrinated into R&R SSPXism.  Holding up the sedevacantist boogey man while running away from that which has actually crippled the Catholic Church.  The only people that he hurts with is on again off again activities is those who actually agree with him for the most part. He also shows the weakness of that doctrinal position by not demonstrating it and explaining how it is not contradictory to itself and the Magisterium of the Church.
He fails to understand that it has ceased to make logical sense to true Traditional Catholics as there has been a sea change since the Archbishop was alive. There is now no doubt as to who and what occupies Rome.
It is certainly not sedevacantism that has destroyed the Church in the past fifty years.
Title: Re: Sean Johnson throws in the towel (again)
Post by: 2Vermont on May 25, 2018, 05:05:30 PM
I think what sean probably means is that the vacantist movement is worse than the ecclesia dei movement.  I don't think he means the vacantist movement is worse than the novus ordo.  
No matter what he means, he doesn't consider sedevacantists Catholic, is an anti-sede and a dogmatic sedeplenist.  One less of one of these "trads" in the Tradosphere?  Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Sean Johnson throws in the towel (again)
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on May 25, 2018, 06:46:36 PM
Sean has a wife and young children, so maybe he's just taking a break til he can catch his breath. I will miss visiting his site. I wish him luck in whatever new endeavors he undertakes; and will continue to say a rosary for he and his grandma when he crosses my mind. 
Title: Re: Sean Johnson throws in the towel (again)
Post by: TKGS on May 26, 2018, 07:52:38 AM
Hopelessly indoctrinated into R&R SSPXism.  Holding up the sedevacantist boogey man while running away from that which has actually crippled the Catholic Church.  The only people that he hurts with is on again off again activities is those who actually agree with him for the most part. He also shows the weakness of that doctrinal position by not demonstrating it and explaining how it is not contradictory to itself and the Magisterium of the Church.
He fails to understand that it has ceased to make logical sense to true Traditional Catholics as there has been a sea change since the Archbishop was alive. There is now no doubt as to who and what occupies Rome.
It is certainly not sedevacantism that has destroyed the Church in the past fifty years.
Indeed, there is always a problem when one determines the conclusion of any argument before actually considering the evidence.  When one does this he becomes blind to any evidence that does not fit into his pre-conceived conclusions.
Title: Re: Sean Johnson throws in the towel (again)
Post by: Ladislaus on May 26, 2018, 12:15:16 PM
Well, my post (which was deleted, so you might have missed it) used the joker emoticon, so apparently the appropriate emoticon doesn't matter.  

Yeah, I noticed your emoticon and you were obviously joking in the same vein as I was.  Nobody in their right mind would any more believe that SeanJohnson had embraced sedevacantism than that Truth is Eternal had converted to "ball/Baal" worship.
Title: Re: Sean Johnson throws in the towel (again)
Post by: Ladislaus on May 26, 2018, 12:23:12 PM
Indeed, there is always a problem when one determines the conclusion of any argument before actually considering the evidence.  When one does this he becomes blind to any evidence that does not fit into his pre-conceived conclusions.

Agreed.  People can be hindered from the truth by their own confirmation bias.  I have become keenly aware of this myself over the years and will listen with an open mind to pretty much anything (except heresy and doctrinal error).  So I get attacked by both sides of many issues because I will accept arguments from both sides as valid, and reject others as invalid.  Even though I initially did not believe in flat earth and thought it was preposterous, I made a point of looking at the evidence they presented ... while rejecting the emotional rhetoric and ad hominems on both sides.