[SeanJohnson]

Fr. Morgan endorses the book in the last minute of an excellent sermon, mentioned over at the Tradcatresist blog:

https://tradcatresist.blogspot.com/2019/09/environmentalism-as-neo-paganism.html?m=1

[SeanJohnson]

Sean,  

According to you, is the New Mass poison (as pointed out repeatedly by Archbishop Lefebvre and as was always the position of the SSPX for a number of years - as you surely can attest to) or is it nourishment (as Bishop Williamson says)?

Hodie-

As pointed out by Archbishop Lefebvre in the quote you ignored, it is both:

It is like poisoned meat which will kill you in the long run, but which nevertheless gives nourishment despite the poison in the short term (therefore only those in necessity can eat it).

That position is identical to Bishop Williamson’s own.

We often use the example of the poison cake: it contains rat poison (arsenic), but it won’t kill you in a single dose, and provides calories (nourishment) despite the poison.

Obviously only a desperate starving person would/could eat such a cake, knowing it will make them sick (and eventually kill them).

Same with the new Mass.

[SeanJohnson]

This is rubbish! It is blasphemous, if not heretical, to suggest that the Church can give Her children poison.

From +Lefebvre (the "rubbish-peddling heretical blasphemer"):

"If on the other hand obviously you say : “But they eat meat that is poisoned !” That’s true, but if one eats a meal that is more or less poisoned, they may still last a little longer, until the moment when better nourishment arrives, while if they would die of hunger, they would be dead in three weeks or a month, they would die of hunger; It would be better to die in six months than to die in one month ! It would be better if they did not die at all, of course. But what do you expect, if not going to mass causes them to die by lack of faith, if by going to a mass that is not not very good because it is poisoning them they can prolong a little.. Take someone in a cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ who is given a choice : either you don’t eat, and thus you will die in a short time, or you will be given meat that has gone off, knowing well that you will eat bad meat, they know quite well that it will harm them, but they eat it anyway saying : “If I can survive a little longer, maybe my deliverance will come soon !” So, that is what we must say also, maybe our deliverance will come and we will have the mass of St Pius V; it is in this spirit that we have to tell them, I think.. [end of tape]"
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/lefebvre-on-spiritual-nourishment-(grace)-at-the-novus-ordo-mass/

Choosing between QVD and the Pfeifferites on the one hand, and the double-doctorate Archbishop and savior of Tradition on the other, the choice is rather easy.

[SeanJohnson]

Firstly, I certainly don’t believe that the Archbishop was a heretic by any stretch of the imagination. I think he was understandably confused and trying to reconcile what he saw happening to the Church, as I pray that you are also. Secondly, he was not perfect and was able to make mistakes, as we all are.  Thirdly, many intelligent priests and theologians disagreed with this line of thinking and held that the NO was invalid. Fourthly, if I agreed with your line of reasoning, I’d be heading to my local NO church and not waste my time traveling 2 hours to go to a valid mass. Fifthly, you have more in common with Father P. than I do, as you both are rabidly dogmatic anti-sedevacantists against all logic and reason.

QVD-

Thank you for acknowledging that you are a sedevacantist, and believe Lefebvre erred.

But you will understand that this is an “in-house” dispute regarding the position of Lefebvre, to which both sides claim fidelity, but to which only one can actually possess it.

My Pfeifferian/Hewkonian adversaries will not support your contention that Lefebvre erred (for how could they simultaneously declare their fidelity to him?).

They will need to find another way to keep the Pfeifferian stick (designed to beat Bishop Williamson, and regain control of the Resistance), now transferred to Fr. Hewko, alive.

[SeanJohnson]

Did Bp. W. say that the New Mass can nourish one's faith, that it can be nourishing, or words to that effect?  Guess I missed that.  Can you supply a quote, perhaps?

Lefebvre consecrated bishops?  When did that happen?  Please supply all the info on the Internet here for me.