[SeanJohnson]

Fr. Morgan endorses the book in the last minute of an excellent sermon, mentioned over at the Tradcatresist blog:

https://tradcatresist.blogspot.com/2019/09/environmentalism-as-neo-paganism.html?m=1

[SeanJohnson]

Sean,  

According to you, is the New Mass poison (as pointed out repeatedly by Archbishop Lefebvre and as was always the position of the SSPX for a number of years - as you surely can attest to) or is it nourishment (as Bishop Williamson says)?

Hodie-

As pointed out by Archbishop Lefebvre in the quote you ignored, it is both:

It is like poisoned meat which will kill you in the long run, but which nevertheless gives nourishment despite the poison in the short term (therefore only those in necessity can eat it).

That position is identical to Bishop Williamson’s own.

We often use the example of the poison cake: it contains rat poison (arsenic), but it won’t kill you in a single dose, and provides calories (nourishment) despite the poison.

Obviously only a desperate starving person would/could eat such a cake, knowing it will make them sick (and eventually kill them).

Same with the new Mass.

[SeanJohnson]

This is rubbish! It is blasphemous, if not heretical, to suggest that the Church can give Her children poison.

From +Lefebvre (the "rubbish-peddling heretical blasphemer"):

"If on the other hand obviously you say : “But they eat meat that is poisoned !” That’s true, but if one eats a meal that is more or less poisoned, they may still last a little longer, until the moment when better nourishment arrives, while if they would die of hunger, they would be dead in three weeks or a month, they would die of hunger; It would be better to die in six months than to die in one month ! It would be better if they did not die at all, of course. But what do you expect, if not going to mass causes them to die by lack of faith, if by going to a mass that is not not very good because it is poisoning them they can prolong a little.. Take someone in a cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ who is given a choice : either you don’t eat, and thus you will die in a short time, or you will be given meat that has gone off, knowing well that you will eat bad meat, they know quite well that it will harm them, but they eat it anyway saying : “If I can survive a little longer, maybe my deliverance will come soon !” So, that is what we must say also, maybe our deliverance will come and we will have the mass of St Pius V; it is in this spirit that we have to tell them, I think.. [end of tape]"
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/lefebvre-on-spiritual-nourishment-(grace)-at-the-novus-ordo-mass/

Choosing between QVD and the Pfeifferites on the one hand, and the double-doctorate Archbishop and savior of Tradition on the other, the choice is rather easy.

[SeanJohnson]

Firstly, I certainly don’t believe that the Archbishop was a heretic by any stretch of the imagination. I think he was understandably confused and trying to reconcile what he saw happening to the Church, as I pray that you are also. Secondly, he was not perfect and was able to make mistakes, as we all are.  Thirdly, many intelligent priests and theologians disagreed with this line of thinking and held that the NO was invalid. Fourthly, if I agreed with your line of reasoning, I’d be heading to my local NO church and not waste my time traveling 2 hours to go to a valid mass. Fifthly, you have more in common with Father P. than I do, as you both are rabidly dogmatic anti-sedevacantists against all logic and reason.

QVD-

Thank you for acknowledging that you are a sedevacantist, and believe Lefebvre erred.

But you will understand that this is an “in-house” dispute regarding the position of Lefebvre, to which both sides claim fidelity, but to which only one can actually possess it.

My Pfeifferian/Hewkonian adversaries will not support your contention that Lefebvre erred (for how could they simultaneously declare their fidelity to him?).

They will need to find another way to keep the Pfeifferian stick (designed to beat Bishop Williamson, and regain control of the Resistance), now transferred to Fr. Hewko, alive.

[SeanJohnson]

Did Bp. W. say that the New Mass can nourish one's faith, that it can be nourishing, or words to that effect?  Guess I missed that.  Can you supply a quote, perhaps?

Lefebvre consecrated bishops?  When did that happen?  Please supply all the info on the Internet here for me.

[SeanJohnson]

Here is the antidote to the Hewkonian/LaRosan/Pfeifferian Poison:

https://ca-rc.com/a-catechetical-refutation

Mr. Akins tells Matthew and I that he has recently had to do a reprint of the Refutation, as large orders have been coming in unexpectedly.

I really must thank the Compound, but unfortunately, I will not be sending any royalties, despite your help in selling my books.

[Matthew]

Fr. Hewko says : "Where's the exposing of the Fake Resistance promoting New Mass miracles, trad-Ecuмenism, etc.? "

Poor Fr. Hewko, something in him thinks that Bishop Williamson and the other Resistance Priests tell everyone they meet to go to the New Mass. Yet in the real world, not one Priests or Bishop has evet told us to go to the New Mass or Trad-Ecuмenical events, and we have had several Resistance priests come to our little mission. The Hewkonians and Pfifferites make it seem that every Sunday that the Resistance Bishops and Priests preach on the goodness of the New Mass.

Here is a line that I'd like to "call out" Fr. Hewko to SHOW SOME EVIDENCE or stop spewing Pfeifferite propaganda and trying to divide the Resistance:
Fr Hewko: I know of priests of the Fake "Resistance" who have actually advised souls to go to the New Mass because of this teaching!

What a crock! I want him to give example(s) of this. Just like the communist Leftists, they love to throw around insinuations, accusations, and names, but they never have "receipts" a.k.a. PROOF or EVIDENCE of their assertions.

[Matthew]

PLEASE NOTE: This is a thread on Sean's book only. 

Any discussion of the New Mass, the status of the Conciliar Church, the Crisis in the Church, can AND MUST be taken to a separate thread. Threads must be kept on-topic or people won't be able to find anything.

[hollingsworth]

Matthew:

The eBook version is now available! Just 9.99, and of course there is no shipping! You also get instant gratification.

Hey, that's quite a sales pitch. Only 9.99 for "instant gratification."  Few would pass up the opportunity for instant gratification at such a reasonable price.  LOL.

[hollingsworth]

SJ:

Lefebvre consecrated bishops?  When did that happen?  Please supply all the info on the Internet here for me.

So it's obvious that +Williamson thinks the New Mass provides some kind of effective spiritual nourishment.  So obvious, in fact, that to question such a contention is to challenge the fact that ABL consecrated 4 bishops.  Well, it's not that obvious to me, and, perhaps, to others.  I think, maybe, that whatever +W said in this regard must be taken in the context of surrounding remarks.

[SeanJohnson]

SJ:
So it's obvious that +Williamson +Lefebvre thinks the New Mass provides some kind of effective spiritual nourishment.  So obvious, in fact, that to question such a contention is to challenge the fact that ABL consecrated 4 bishops.  Well, it's not that obvious to me, and, perhaps, to others.  I think, maybe, that whatever +W said in this regard must be taken in the context of surrounding remarks.

Fixed your post for you.

Now please start another thread, and quit derailing this one.

[Mr G]

I would suggest that the next revision of the book include images of the "before and after" photos or screenshots, such as changes in books, cropped photos, etc. 

[hollingsworth]

Hodie:

How does this reconcile with Bp. Williamson telling us in 2015 the New Mass can "nourish" our faith? Which is it? Is it poison or nourishment?

You didn't fix anything, Sean.  Sorry.  I was responding, I think, to Hodie's post above.  Had I thought we were discussing ABL's  alleged tolerance for the Old Mass and its nourishing value, I would not have made the same inquiry.

[SeanJohnson]

Hodie:
You didn't fix anything, Sean.  Sorry.  I was responding, I think, to Hodie's post above.  Had I thought we were discussing ABL's  alleged tolerance for the Old Mass and its nourishing value, I would not have made the same inquiry.

Obviously, you were not responding to Matthew’s comment, which reminded you to start a new thread if you want to talk about something besides the book.

[Matthew]

Klasg4e posted:

Sean's terrific catalog (and now book) can be supplemented and elaborated upon by reviewing the archives of Catholic Candle: https://catholiccandle.neocities.org/

(Please note, however, that my post here should in no way be seen as an endorsement of everything found on Catholic Candle.)

Resources about Priests and Groups

List of priests and self-described priests (PDF) Bp. Williamson, Society of St. Pius X, Moral decline, Bp. Fellay, Fr. Bouchacourt, Fr. le Roux, Fr. Pfluger 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015