Author Topic: SAJM leaves the resistance??? (Apostles of Jesus and Mary) (Read 1674 times)

OABrownson1876 · « **Reply #45 on:** March 19, 2026, 09:34:59 PM »

The whole concept of "resistance" is vague anyway. There were priests who never said the New Mass and were "resisting" as early as 1969/70. In their newsletters that would constantly speak of "resisting" the modernist changes and modernist popes. How many traditional Catholics even approach these heretic NO bishops and say, "excuse me your excellency, may I attend the Latin Mass at my local church?" The majority of traditional Catholics "resist" in theory and practice, whether they admit it or not.

The Sede position is more a distraction than anything. Any Catholic with half a head on his shoulders knows that practically all of these NO bishops are heretics, and all of them have questionable orders. There might be a couple of old-timers left, but they are dying off quickly.

Crayolcold · « **Reply #46 on:** **Yesterday** at 08:42:46 AM »

Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on March 19, 2026, 04:12:50 AM

Why was it necessary to separate from the SSPX and found another society to continue Archbishop Lefebvre's work?

Unfortunately, the successors of Archbishop Lefebvre have departed from the line of conduct he gave them on several points:

...

Our motivation is not to fight against other societies, but to remain faithful to the Church of all time by following the guide Providence gave us: Archbishop Lefebvre.

These Resistance folk act like Archbishop Lefebvre is another Pope. He is infallible in their eyes. Why do they feel the need to make a further schism -- this time within -- the Resistance just because Bishop Faure's side of the disorganized "organization" does not "dot every i" and "cross every t" as Archbishop Lefebvre would have. We HAVE to use the 1962 missal. Why? Lefebvre said so. We have to pray for a public and notorious heretic! Why? Lefebvre said so. Never because the Church said so.

You guys are already the most disorganized group in all of Christendom. There is effectively no hierarchical framework anyone can see. I hardly doubt certain Bishops of the Resistance have prying eyes into what the others are doing. This seems like a nonissue for me. Classic SSPX trying to impose matters of speculative theology on people.

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #47 on:** **Yesterday** at 11:58:27 AM »

Quote from: Crayolcold on Yesterday at 08:42:46 AM

These Resistance folk act like Archbishop Lefebvre is another Pope. He is infallible in their eyes. Why do they feel the need to make a further schism -- this time within -- the Resistance just because Bishop Faure's side of the disorganized "organization" does not "dot every i" and "cross every t" as Archbishop Lefebvre would have. We HAVE to use the 1962 missal. Why? Lefebvre said so. We have to pray for a public and notorious heretic! Why? Lefebvre said so. Never because the Church said so.

You guys are already the most disorganized group in all of Christendom. There is effectively no hierarchical framework anyone can see. I hardly doubt certain Bishops of the Resistance have prying eyes into what the others are doing. This seems like a nonissue for me. Classic SSPX trying to impose matters of speculative theology on people.

Those are not my quotes.

I agree with the most part with you, though your allegiance is obviously with some other group, sadly.

False structures, blind obedience, outside our group no salvation, seems to be the message from the original quoted priest. I want to be wrong. A correction may come someday.

Infirmus · « **Reply #48 on:** **Yesterday** at 08:11:15 PM »

Quote from: Crayolcold on Yesterday at 08:42:46 AM

These Resistance folk act like Archbishop Lefebvre is another Pope. He is infallible in their eyes. Why do they feel the need to make a further schism -- this time within -- the Resistance just because Bishop Faure's side of the disorganized "organization" does not "dot every i" and "cross every t" as Archbishop Lefebvre would have. We HAVE to use the 1962 missal. Why? Lefebvre said so. We have to pray for a public and notorious heretic! Why? Lefebvre said so. Never because the Church said so.

You guys are already the most disorganized group in all of Christendom. There is effectively no hierarchical framework anyone can see. I hardly doubt certain Bishops of the Resistance have prying eyes into what the others are doing. This seems like a nonissue for me. Classic SSPX trying to impose matters of speculative theology on

Your whole criticizem sounds like you are a sede. The sede population is disorganized and they reject authority, they can't really understand resistance.
The sspx resistance stems from the sspx authority no longer following the line of Archbishop Lefebvre. Now sspx priests who claim to be in the resistance that use the pre55 are no longer following the line of Archbishop Lefebvre. Period.

Plenus Venter · « **Reply #49 on:** **Yesterday** at 09:38:45 PM »

We read in the St Andrew's daily missal (1962) today, the feast of St Benedict:
"At all the turning points of history, God raises up great saints to ensure the fulfilment of the Church's mission for the souls of men."

For those who have eyes to see, the eyes of faith, this is surely the case with Archbishop Lefebvre par excellence. We rightly see in the Archbishop and his work, his doctrine, his positions on the crisis, the hand of Divine Providence, something that is above mere personal opinion.

Here is more wisdom from Bishop Thomas Aquinas in this statement from 2024 reflecting on Archbishop Vigano and sedevacantism:

https://www.mosteirodasantacruz.org/post/dom-vigan%C3%B2-dom-lefebvre-e-o-sedevacantismo

Archbishop Viganò behaved like a true hero from the moment he understood or began to understand the moral and doctrinal decomposition of the conciliar Church. Unfortunately, he seems to lean towards the sedevacantist position. Time will reveal better what his true position is.

As for Archishop Lefebvre, he had already begun this fight against the conciliar Church in circuмstances far more decisive than those of today. He had gained the trust of the faithful throughout the world, because of the solidity of his formation and the superiority of his prudence. His prudence made him avoid at the same time the ralliements of the Ecclesia Dei communities and the error of sedevacantism. With precision, he showed how Dom Gérard and others were committing ѕυιcιdє by placing themselves under the authority of the modernists, and how the sedevacantists, in turn, were putting themselves in a position as uncertain as it was dangerous, affirming more than the teachings of the Church allow.

Some think that Archbishop Lefebvre today would be a sedevacantist. I do not believe that to be the case. In fact, I believe the opposite. I believe that the arguments he put forward during his lifetime remain as valid and relevant today as ever. His arguments are simple. What becomes of the Church if the popes from John XXIII to Francis are not popes? Are the cardinals appointed by them not cardinals? Who, then, will elect the pope? How can there be a pope again? This seems to jeopardise the very existence of the Church. The best course is to await the judgement that the Church will one day deliver, defining and resolving this question.

Faced with the divergence of ideas and practices within Tradition, I see only one sensible course of action: to preserve and pass on what we received from Archbishop Lefebvre, both from a doctrinal and a prudential point of view. But many will say: prudence takes into account the change in circuмstances between the state of crisis in Archbishop Lefebvre’s time and the present day. Yes, there have been some changes, but they are not essential. The essence of the crisis remains the same.

Just as with the Arian crisis, which lasted around 60 years, this crisis drags on without any fundamental change. That is why the example of Archbishop Lefebvre remains relevant today.

May Our Lady, who has overcome all heresies, obtain for us the grace to overcome the attacks of the devil and the modernists.

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