Author Topic: Priests that grew up in traditionalism might lack the reality of the novus? (Read 3722 times)

Sienna629 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 05, 2016, 09:58:21 PM »

Quote from: nctradcath

I was thinking about the discussion of a certain priest that grew up in the SSPX and it made me think that young priests that grew up in the SSPX probably have a warped understanding of the gravity of the Novus Ordo abuses and clergy? I grew up in the Novus Ordo and went to a new Jesuit HS in the 90's in CT and saw was given the new Church experience in all its wretchedness. If I grew up in traditionalism, I don't think I would have had a clue about the Novus Ordo Church and its true evil. What does the forum think?

This is exactly why so many in the Novus Ordo do not understand how Protestant their service is.........when growing up they were told never to go to a Protestant church, so they didn't. On the other hand, those who "convert" from a Protestant sect to the Novus Ordo often make the comment "This is just like what I came from!!"

Sienna629 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 05, 2016, 10:02:08 PM »

Quote from: ihsv

I've had this thought, too. I grew up in the Novus Ordo, and having had those experiences helped me value the treasures of tradition

Amen!!!

Sienna629 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 05, 2016, 10:18:24 PM »

Quote from: wallflower

... Do you bring older kids to a NO mass once in a while and have discussions afterwards?......

No!!! No!!!! Never!!!

I know what you are after, but that is not the approach, believe me (we were in it for 40 years). That might backfire and get them interested, because it is so much easier, and people are naturally lazy. There are plenty of videos on YouTube, but don't take them to a NO church.

Analogy: You don't have to take your kids to a house of prostitution to explain to them that it is wrong and to be avoided at all costs.

cosmas · « **Reply #18 on:** July 17, 2016, 09:04:12 AM »

I was an altar boy in the TRADITIONAL MASS in the late 50's early 60's .My family went with the changes like a lot of them. There was something that continued to gnaw at me from going to the N.O.masses though. What slowly started to turn me back toward TRADITION was how disrespectful of "OUR LORD IN THE BLESSED SACRAMENT ".HE was treated with almost contempt. It was like He wasn't really there. We had dancing girls in leotards go up in front of the altar and dance around inside the church. We immediately removed ourselves and our children. On the way out the door I said 'THIS IS NO LONGER A CATHOLIC CHURCH."In one N.O. Church we had a Freemason Extraordinary eucharist minister. The pastor was well aware but didn't care. I came back to TRADITION in the late 80's. I infrequently visited a Traditional Chapel. Finally in the 90's Through the Grace of "GOD " all my children came to Tradition. We moved to a Pius X Traditional Community. I've talked to young people that have grown up here. They were not taught in school why this community was set up by Archbishop Lefebre or much about the fight over Vatican II.If a lot of PIUS X er's had an inkling what awaits them if and when we put ourselves under Romes good graces. They will be hopefully shocked into reality of what has happened to the faith. Its not a pretty picture. Pray Rome comes back to its senses and Tradition before Pius x Society goes back.

Degrelle · « **Reply #19 on:** July 17, 2016, 01:17:17 PM »

I, too, think that the OP is onto something, and that this applies not just to clergy who were raised in tradition but anyone raised in Tradition.

I think it depends a lot on how parents raise/teach their children.

This is my personal theory, and I guess the proof will be in the pudding as my children get older ... but in my view children should be taught about the Novus Ordo and exposed to in in carefully managed/supervised doses so as to "inoculate" them and give them a proper understanding/horror of it.

I have seen many Trad families where the parents felt that the best way was to completely shelter their children from everything to the point that I have met several young adults who do not even know what the Novus Ordo is. In my view, it is these ones who are totally and completely ignorant who will not have the holy hatred of that sect necessary, and who may also fall prey to the seductions of, say, the indult or even "conservative" Novus Ordoism. Anecdotally I have seen such results occur. I understand why parents do this -- they rightly want to shield their children from the filth of the modern world -- but I think that sheltering children too much is to leave them very vulnerable when they inevitably have to be exposed to these things at some point unless they go straight to a strictly cloistered monastery after high school.

It is therefore our plan to progressively give our children more information on the Novus Ordo as is appropriate to their age, as they grow. The oldest two are 9 and 8 and they already know the basics and I intend to have them study the Vatican II docuмents by the time they get to high school and prepare essays for me where they point out the errors and contrast them with the teachings of popes and Church counsels. I hope that this will give them "the next best thing" to the hatred of the Novus Ordo that converts such as my wife and myself have. When the children are all high school age we may even go on a field trip to observe a Novus Ordo service then debrief afterwards and discuss all the heresies and problems with it.

Degrelle · « **Reply #20 on:** July 17, 2016, 01:47:33 PM »

Quote from: Sienna629

Quote from: wallflower

... Do you bring older kids to a NO mass once in a while and have discussions afterwards?......

No!!! No!!!! Never!!!

I know what you are after, but that is not the approach, believe me (we were in it for 40 years). That might backfire and get them interested, because it is so much easier, and people are naturally lazy. There are plenty of videos on YouTube, but don't take them to a NO church.

Analogy: You don't have to take your kids to a house of prostitution to explain to them that it is wrong and to be avoided at all costs.

I fully understand the desire to have nothing whatsoever to do with the Novus Ordo prayer service; I was in the N.O. for over 20 years before discovering Tradition.

Maybe because I am a convert I underestimate the danger, but I just have no interest whatsoever in the nonsense of the Novus Ordo and it seems to me that older children (I'm talking 16, 17, 18) who will be ready to move out on their own and into the world soon, should be able to handle it if they've been well-instructed. I suppose it would depend on the child and the parent's judgement on a case-by-case basis as to whether there would be real danger of the child apostatizing.

Recusant Sede · « **Reply #21 on:** July 17, 2016, 02:46:12 PM »

Quote from: mw2016

Fr. Pfeiffer recently gave a sermon in Phoenix where he mentioned that he recently met a THIRD generation Trad in St. Mary's who was 19 years old who did not know who +ABL was.

I had, up to that point, not told my children (who are all very young) about the Novus Ordo or VII or that there even was another Mass because the TLM is all they've ever known and I thought it would be good to preserve their innocence.

But, after hearing Fr. Pfeiffer's story I decided to explain it all to my older ones who could understand, because I don't want my kids to grow up like that. They needed to know why we do what we do.

I sort of woory about the new priests coming out of Winona because, if our "older" priests are completely neutered, then what is Winona going to be churning out??

I really don't know.

I explain to my children all about the Church, I want them very informed and NOT ignorant of what is goung on. Instead, may I suggest, that you preserve their innocence by teaching them modesty and keep them ignorant of things concerning commandments 6 & 9. I have a feeling you already do this.

Wessex · « **Reply #22 on:** July 17, 2016, 03:05:07 PM »

Integration with the mainstream will be the main concern of the Winona and the Rothschild seminaries. The ordinary and extraordinary nature of the conciliar church will be emphasised with the Society specialising in vintage interpretation and liturgical expression. The brightest professor will be one who can weld the two ancient and modern ends seamlessly and deliver up V2 as a product remarkably palatable.

Sienna629 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 17, 2016, 09:54:05 PM »

Quote from: stgobnait

In my experience most NO catholics who knew the true Mass, but 'adapted' to the 'new' and brought their children to it, the majority of those children fall away, and have no interest in finding Tradition, if they even know its there, then their children are brought nowhere... and so it goes...

That's our experience, too, and those who "adapted" to the Novus Ordo have no interest in returning to Tradition once it is pointed out to them that Tradition can still be found, albeit with great difficulty.

Like I have mentioned before, the Novus Ordo is so much easier, and they (the Conciliar Church) still call it "Catholic", so they say we in Tradition just don't like "change".