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Offline Mark 79

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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2016, 05:34:17 PM »
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    .... I am tired of hearing about this particular scandal. ...



    Imagine how "tired" the boys were of being sodomized. Imagine how tired the boys and parents were of their warnings being ignored by SSPX priests.

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    « Reply #16 on: August 22, 2016, 06:15:03 PM »
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    I asked Fr. Trincado and he told me: “The USML indeed was created with the approbation of Bp. Williamson, but that does not mean it was “erected” canonically. The USML didn’t adopt any associative form recognized by Canon Law, so the USML is a union of priests without existence before Canon Law” Fr. Trincado is also a lawyer.



    Even I understand that USML is not the new congregation founded by Bishop Faure.


    Yes, Fr. Trincado was speaking of the USML, not the newly formed SAJM.


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    « Reply #17 on: August 22, 2016, 06:19:49 PM »
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    But the question still remains:  What are three bishops trying to accomplish, and, specifically, what does Bp.Faure see to be the desired results of of his new movement?



    I'm guessing that they are trying to prepare a "viable lilly pad" for the SSPX priests who will abandon +Fellay once his personal prelature becomes official and everyone must take sides, since "Pfeifferville" is not an option for them.

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    « Reply #18 on: August 22, 2016, 07:24:19 PM »
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    I'm officially taking credit for coining the following monicker.

    Sajamite (noun) 1. Follower of the Society of the Apostles of Jesus and Mary (SAJM).
    2. Follower of the SSPX Resistance in general.


     :roll-laugh2:  I don't think it will catch on.  It sounds too close to something that is very unsavory. :roll-laugh1:

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    « Reply #19 on: August 22, 2016, 08:48:31 PM »
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  • The 'end game' will be decided/provided for by God.  The 'intermediate game' is to organize and plan for the distribution of the mass/sacraments.


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    « Reply #20 on: August 23, 2016, 12:23:20 PM »
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  • Quote from: Sbyvl
    I'm officially taking credit for coining the following monicker.

    Sajamite (noun) 1. Follower of the Society of the Apostles of Jesus and Mary (SAJM).
    2. Follower of the SSPX Resistance in general.



    Yuck. That word you coined brings to mind either an unpleasant vitamin-fortified sandwich spread or a person with some sort of deplorable moral issue. Please roll again.

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    « Reply #21 on: August 23, 2016, 01:11:39 PM »
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    Quote from: Sbyvl
    I'm officially taking credit for coining the following monicker.

    Sajamite (noun) 1. Follower of the Society of the Apostles of Jesus and Mary (SAJM).
    2. Follower of the SSPX Resistance in general.


     :roll-laugh2:  I don't think it will catch on.  It sounds too close to something that is very unsavory. :roll-laugh1:


    I agree.

    It sounds too much like Vegemite or sodomite.

    And Sbyvl, what justification do you have for throwing in definition 2) for good measure? I don't see the reason. The Resistance is much larger than any of the small groups that make it up.

    Matthew is a man.
    Therefore all men are Matthew.

    SAJM is Resistance
    Therefore all Resistance are SAJM.

    Same bad logic.
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    « Reply #22 on: August 23, 2016, 04:38:05 PM »
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  • Please note: this has nothing to do with authority or jurisdiction.

    What +Williamson said is that he has no authority to bind all the Resistant priests to obey him. And that was completely true, and still is true.

    +Faure is merely "giving it a go". He's starting a society, and at the very least he will incardinate those who he forms at his seminary after they are ordained. It's not that he doesn't have the right to start a congregation.

    Archbishop Lefebvre started a society, and many followed him because of his charisma, his reputation, his holiness, and most of all his stellar career which reached so high it even touched the papacy (he was appointed by the pope to be the Papal Legate to French Speaking Africa).

    Long story short, +Lefebvre's resume was far more impressive than even +Williamson's -- and +Williamson would be the first to admit this. (He is humble enough that he would never suggest, let alone claim, otherwise.)

    It has to do with authority, which always comes from above. If a good Resistant priest didn't want to join +Faure's new group, he wouldn't have to. It might be prudent for him to do so, but it wouldn't be a sin or even a fault if he wanted to pass on joining.

    Long story short, it's not as simple as a bishop jumping up on the table like a gorilla and grunting, "Me Bishop. You Priest. You follow!"

    That would imply that there is an inherent authority or jurisdiction contained in the office of Bishop itself. But that's not true. There is power of Orders, and power of jurisdiction. The 4 +Lefebvre bishops, for example, have valid orders but they were never given any jurisdiction (authority). If +Lefebvre had attempted the latter, it would have been a schismatic act and he would have been ipso facto excommunicated (which is what all the Conciliarists think happened).

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    « Reply #23 on: August 23, 2016, 05:32:32 PM »
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  • Is this confusing to anyone else? Bishop Faure's new Congregation was named: «Priestly Society of the Apostles of Jesus and Mary».  When the SSPX was "recognized" in Argentina in 2015, the name "FRATERNITY OF THE APOSTLES OF JESUS AND MARY" was used.

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    That according to Protocol N. 084/15, of February 23, 2015, the Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Mario Aurelio Cardinal POLI, requests that the "FRATERNITY OF THE APOSTLES OF JESUS AND MARY" (PRIESTLY FRATERNITY OF SAINT PIUS X) be held, up to the moment in which it finds its definitive juridical framing within the Church Universal, as an Association of Diocesan Right, according to what is established by canon 298 of the Code of Canon Law, being in fieri [henceforth and in the meantime] a Society of Apostolic Life, with all the benefits that correspond to it, and complying with all obligations to which the same refers, also accepting all responsibilities that belong to the diocesan Prelate.


    Why use the same name (or close enough)? When the SSPX is "fully integrated", it seems to me they will be known as the "FRATERNITY OF THE APOSTLES OF JESUS AND MARY". Wouldn't that be confusing? Just wondering.
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    « Reply #24 on: August 23, 2016, 07:25:35 PM »
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    "The name of the congregation corresponds to the other denomination that Bp. Lefebvre thought for the SSPX." http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2016/08/mons-faure-ha-fundado-una-nueva.html


    SSPX (FSSPX) = Fraternité Sacerdotale des Apôtres de Jésus et Marie = FAJM (but this acronym is not used)

    Société Sacerdotale des Apôtres de Jésus et Marie = SAJM

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    « Reply #25 on: August 23, 2016, 09:38:14 PM »
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    "The name of the congregation corresponds to the other denomination that Bp. Lefebvre thought for the SSPX." http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2016/08/mons-faure-ha-fundado-una-nueva.html


    SSPX (FSSPX) = Fraternité Sacerdotale des Apôtres de Jésus et Marie = FAJM (but this acronym is not used)

    Société Sacerdotale des Apôtres de Jésus et Marie = SAJM


    Excuse me, the correct names are:

    SSPX (FSSPX) = "Fraternité des Apôtres de Jésus et Marie" = FAJM (but this acronym is not used)  See SSPX's statuts here: http://laportelatine.org/quisommesnous/statuts/statuts.php

    Société Sacerdotale des Apôtres de Jésus et Marie = SAJM or SSAJM
    See SAJM's decree of erection here: http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2016/08/el-decreto-de-ereccion-de-la-sajm.html


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    « Reply #26 on: August 24, 2016, 12:10:43 PM »
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    About the USML, Fr Trincado said me  a week ago that the USML was founded with the aprobation of the bishops...


    I asked Fr. Trincado and he told me: “The USML indeed was created with the approbation of Bp. Williamson, but that does not mean it was “erected” canonically. The USML didn’t adopt any associative form recognized by Canon Law, so the USML is a union of priests without existence before Canon Law” Fr. Trincado is also a lawyer.


    Thanks a lot, it was I thought... some lingistic incomprehensions with Fr Trincado, but no real matter.

    This foundation is a great news: by this way, there will be no risk to become sectarian as the SSPX: there will be two or more societies, not one big monster as the SSPX..

    God bless all faithful heirs of the Abp true SSPX: MC, SAJM and all religious communities: dominicans, benedictines (two monasteries), FBMV of fr jahir ...
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