Author Topic: Phoenix sspx chapel update (Read 110810 times)

justG · « **Reply #30 on:** March 29, 2016, 09:45:00 AM »

JMJ

Very interesting responses to my post. Thank you.

Allow me to clarify just a bit:

I used the term “airy fairy” based on an earlier response from someone in this topic. In my opinion, “airy fairy” would mean sermons that, while good in themselves, do not address “The Crisis”, the evils we face, or how to go about the business of Restoring All Things in Christ. Yes, there are plenty of good sermons that address our own personal spiritual lives, but we are more than just our own personal selves. We are also members of the Church Militant. We are in a battle for souls – World War Three as Archbishop Lefebvre said. God bless you if you have a priest that is actively and directly addressing the Crisis and how to fight against the evils we face! You are indeed blessed.

Additionally, I apologize for offending anyone by use of the word “everyone.” Perhaps that is too broad. “Many” people are affected by and infected with liberalism and modernism these days. If not you personally, then I would imagine those in your family or friends or acquaintances in the church. Again, you are blessed if the creeping liberalism and modernism has not touched you or your parish.

Regarding my comments on the All Saints event: of course, religious recreate! I did not say they should not. However, there must be better times and places for completely secular activities. A parish event that is to honor the saints should be edifying for all and not used as an excuse to just play. Other than a few children in costume there was not much to indicate the event was Catholic. Also, I would think my point is made overall if traditional Catholics believe it is acceptable for girls to play a “harmless volleyball game” against boys and the brothers. We are indeed living in very different worlds with very different perspectives.

I might say the same about the St. Joseph Table. At our former parish, both St. Patrick and St. Joseph are honored on a Sunday with raffles and fun things and a beautiful St. Joseph Table adorned with donated baked goods. Because it is on Sunday, everyone may participate. Perhaps I am guilty of comparing too much to the other parish, but they do some things very very well and I found myself disappointed at OLS. I am sorry if that hurts the feelings of anyone at OLS.

God bless you.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #31 on:** March 29, 2016, 03:47:24 PM »

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It is hard to believe that an adults only night out with appetizers, wine, and beer on an Ember Day in Lent is an appropriate expression of the traditional St. Joseph’s Table.

(From the time modern beer was invented in the middle ages) Benedictine monks drank beer every day during Lent. Alcohol is not part of the lenten fast, if that's what you're implying.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #32 on:** March 29, 2016, 03:56:13 PM »

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No food or drink (anything to be chewed or swallowed) is allowed anywhere at anytime in the church

Why is eating in church a good idea? We have similar rules at our chapel, except it's even more stringent - it's minimized to 2 areas only. If people were allowed to eat/drink everywhere, (and leave their trash) the few who actually clean up would never have time to rest!

PhxGroup · « **Reply #33 on:** March 29, 2016, 05:25:13 PM »

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wanting to know names ,numbers and ones history with the parish
.......maybe we are paranoid but that sounds like the very questions that certain ushers ask before you reported . Are you a usher or spouse of an usher at OLoS Aleah ?

The only thing I asked was how long Mark had attended the parish so I could understood his history and the changes that have occurred during his time.

If you and Mark want to be that paranoid- then have fun.

Sheesh.

That paranoid ?..let me tell you a story
about 9 or 10 months ago as a few members of our group were sitting in the hall another group of younger couples all with kids were sitting as a group off to the side . They were all discussing this and that as people do, sitting with them was an usher ( not the same one as we mentioned before but an usher none the same ) later when we were leaving I noticed that same usher talking to Fr. R and Br. Louis outside the priory. Br. was writing in his little book he carries

Within 6 months every single one of those parishioners were gone That is 2 families and 2 older gentlemen ....all gone and yes it just so happens they were all either sede' or resistance

we love our church and we know this reign will pass so we don't want to be banned from the property .Call that paranoid if you wish but
better safe then sorry

Aleah · « **Reply #34 on:** March 29, 2016, 05:35:13 PM »

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Quote from: Aleah
Quote from: PhxGroup
wanting to know names ,numbers and ones history with the parish
.......maybe we are paranoid but that sounds like the very questions that certain ushers ask before you reported . Are you a usher or spouse of an usher at OLoS Aleah ?

The only thing I asked was how long Mark had attended the parish so I could understood his history and the changes that have occurred during his time.

If you and Mark want to be that paranoid- then have fun.

Sheesh.

That paranoid ?..let me tell you a story
about 9 or 10 months ago as a few members of our group were sitting in the hall another group of younger couples all with kids were sitting as a group off to the side . They were all discussing this and that as people do, sitting with them was an usher ( not the same one as we mentioned before but an usher none the same ) later when we were leaving I noticed that same usher talking to Fr. R and Br. Louis outside the priory. Br. was writing in his little book he carries

Within 6 months every single one of those parishioners were gone That is 2 families and 2 older gentlemen ....all gone and yes it just so happens they were all either sede' or resistance

we love our church and we know this reign will pass so we don't want to be banned from the property .Call that paranoid if you wish but
better safe then sorry

My original question remains- did you inquire about anything that you have stated in the original post? Have you spoken to the priests, brothers, or the usher?

No need to be paranoid with me- I am just inquiring to understand the situation. This is the same thing I did when someone posted incorrect information about my parish. I asked whether or not they went directly to the source.

Aleah · « **Reply #35 on:** March 29, 2016, 05:43:48 PM »

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Quote from: PhxGroup
Quote from: Aleah
Quote from: PhxGroup
wanting to know names ,numbers and ones history with the parish
.......maybe we are paranoid but that sounds like the very questions that certain ushers ask before you reported . Are you a usher or spouse of an usher at OLoS Aleah ?

The only thing I asked was how long Mark had attended the parish so I could understood his history and the changes that have occurred during his time.

If you and Mark want to be that paranoid- then have fun.

Sheesh.

That paranoid ?..let me tell you a story
about 9 or 10 months ago as a few members of our group were sitting in the hall another group of younger couples all with kids were sitting as a group off to the side . They were all discussing this and that as people do, sitting with them was an usher ( not the same one as we mentioned before but an usher none the same ) later when we were leaving I noticed that same usher talking to Fr. R and Br. Louis outside the priory. Br. was writing in his little book he carries

Within 6 months every single one of those parishioners were gone That is 2 families and 2 older gentlemen ....all gone and yes it just so happens they were all either sede' or resistance

we love our church and we know this reign will pass so we don't want to be banned from the property .Call that paranoid if you wish but
better safe then sorry

My original question remains- did you inquire about anything that you have stated in the original post? Have you spoken to the priests, brothers, or the usher?

No need to be paranoid with me- I am just inquiring to understand the situation. This is the same thing I did when someone posted incorrect information about my parish. I asked whether or not they went directly to the source.

Also, when you spoke with the two families and the two gentlemen about why they no longer attended Our Lady Of Sorrows- what was the response?

Mark 79 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 29, 2016, 06:53:22 PM »

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...No need to be paranoid with me...

Here's a question for you—What tribe perfected the tactic of treating political and religious opposition as mental illness?

Geremia · « **Reply #37 on:** March 29, 2016, 11:01:43 PM »

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The empty, “airy-fairy” sermons are definitely everywhere in the SSPX.

Everywhere, really? Is it fair to make a blanket statement that "airy-fairy" sermons are definitely everywhere in the SSPX"? That is your subjective opinion. I have never heard an "empty, airy-fairy sermon" in our chapel, quite the opposite.

Fr. Wegener's two Christmastime sermons, where he went over two Summa articles on the fittingness of the incarnation, were very good. It's good to see Thomistic priests.

Geremia · « **Reply #38 on:** March 29, 2016, 11:14:36 PM »

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Fr. Wegener's two Christmastime sermons, where he went over two Summa articles on the fittingness of the incarnation, were very good. It's good to see Thomistic priests.

III q. 1 a. 1 & 2

PhxGroup · « **Reply #39 on:** March 30, 2016, 10:15:50 PM »

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Aleah

How is it blackmail to ask for payment of a debt that is owed? Isn't Phoenix 2 million in the hole or something like that?

Have you offered to help out with anything?
Have you asked why there are less evening Masses?
Have you asked the brothers why you can't ask about the parish priest?
Has anyone asked about why there aren't any devotions?
Has anyone stopped you from re-starting the devotions?

Please let us know-thanks!

It is blackmail in that we are expected to pay the money we pledged (which we do )if we want to use the basement or have any statuary or have a real bookstore but we were not consulted on any of the very expensive changes to the plans for the new church nor have we been told why the stained glass windows are not in even though they were all pledged for separate from the building fund.

Yes we help out
Next 3 questions - I thought we made it clear questions of that nature are not welcome or wise at this time at OLoS
Next question- you can not in any traditional chapel just start up a devotion or reinstate one that has been suppressed

Lunatik · « **Reply #40 on:** April 02, 2016, 12:35:09 PM »

I recall the one person asking Mark for what I consider private information, and this would set wrong for me also. I know what some people complain about and some of it is valid. What I did not like is people making observations that are just not true or unfounded , or just quite overstated. What I cannot figure out is that all parishes will have people come and go. Just like we switch jobs or move to a new house. I have been a member of the parish for over 35 years and I know a lot of you have not. The temp bookstore is a lot larger than a walk in closet ( again an untrue remark in most cases).They brought in 58 new titles several weeks ago so, when I hear someone say that it is the same old thing, then I wonder where they get their information. Instead of the complaining why do not more of you get involved and offer to do volunteer work. We beg people to help of clean the church and yet few come forward. for those of you that are not willing to work within your parish, than I suggest you move on. For those that want to make it work then do not be afraid to do so and step up to the plate. So much to do at this parish and so few come forward to give their time.

You talk about reduction of devotions, here is a sad point; every 12th of the month a 6:00p.m. rosary is said for an ending of all abortions. So very very few ever attend. Our Lady of the Americas is waiting their for your prayers in this most serious of all offences and no one comes. Yet it is published in the bulletin, just not every time.

It is not a perfect parish, nor do we have perfect priests, brothers, or ushers; only heaven is perfect!

PhxGroup · « **Reply #41 on:** April 02, 2016, 02:40:19 PM »

We find it interesting that you would bring up the "12th of the month rosary" as it proves our point

Has it ever been properly promoted from the pulpit during announcements ?

Even though the devotion is conducted every month at the same time does it's announcement have a permanent placement in the bulletin ?

Do the religious attend thereby leading by example until the devotion is established ?

The answer to all of these we are guessing is a resounding NO!
This is their plan you see, to suppress it through designed apathy
As for the book store Have you been to other parishes in the SSPX family ? Churches a quarter the size of ours have huge book stores selling everything a Traditional Catholic would want or need Our church has on the other hand a book store so small there is not even room for the cash register

PhxGroup · « **Reply #42 on:** April 05, 2016, 10:57:52 AM »

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You talk about reduction of devotions, here is a sad point; every 12th of the month a 6:00p.m. rosary is said for an ending of all abortions. So very very few ever attend. Our Lady of the Americas is waiting their for your prayers in this most serious of all offences and no one comes. Yet it is published in the bulletin, just not every time.

It is not a perfect parish, nor do we have perfect priests, brothers, or ushers; only heaven is perfect!

Congratulation on having your devotion mentioned at the late Mass by Fr. Scott though in truth it would have been nice to see a little more enthusiasm about its importance

Let us see if now you can get a permanent place in the bulletin

This is one of the reasons we decided to began posting on Cathinfo , to bring to light the many problems at OLoS . It is most pleasing to see our work coming to fruition

PhxGroup · « **Reply #43 on:** April 11, 2016, 03:45:00 PM »

This Sunday was very interesting
We found out Fr. R. is gone for good
We found out there will be no sign in front or anywhere on church property
We found out the basement will not be completed until the debt is paid
We found out the interior of the church will not be completed until the
basement is

This is wrong OLoS took our pledges under false pretenses ,changing the plans and increasing the debt . We are now left with a half built modernist spectacle and pledges we are constantly told are holy obligations to pay.
It is no wonder the mass attendance numbers and contributions are down

none are so blind as those who won't see

Geremia · « **Reply #44 on:** April 11, 2016, 07:17:16 PM »

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This Sunday was very interesting
We found out Fr. R. is gone for good
We found out there will be no sign in front or anywhere on church property
We found out the basement will not be completed until the debt is paid
We found out the interior of the church will not be completed until the
basement is

That wasn't at the 10 AM, was it?

Also, do you know what happened to the statues from the old church? I'm wondering why those aren't in the new church.